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At this stage of their career....Holder is ...

 
WestDem 2017-05-11 15:31:19 

proving to be a far better all rounder than what Big Bravo was!!! cool

 
powen001 2017-05-11 15:36:50 

In reply to WestDem

Certainly appears that way even though I haven't compared them.

matter of fact...I would want to bench mark him against Smith of SA.

See If Holder is anywhere near Smith at this stage having been appointed rather young and inexperienced to Captain SA back then too.

similar criticisms but Smith was quick to shut them up...Holder is still finding his way but growing in the right direction.

 
WestDem 2017-05-11 15:40:46 

In reply to powen001

Holder look mature beyond his years...he will mold this team into a very competitive one if T20 don't get in de way! Smith is a good comparasion!

 
powen001 2017-05-11 15:42:57 

In reply to WestDem

Well Alice?

do me a solid and put up the numbers nah? big grin big grin

 
WestDem 2017-05-11 15:50:02 

In reply to powen001

What numbers you want? Smith and Holder's leadership stats?

 
powen001 2017-05-11 15:53:14 

In reply to WestDem

yes please..

the TIME LINE will be key...

after how many TEST matches - Smith should be ahead on Wins...but we can look at production with runs.

In Holders case.. A weighting as an All Rounder..IMpact on game I guess can be extrapolated.

 
WestDem 2017-05-11 16:04:43 

In reply to powen001

Its hard to produce any comparable numbers to make any argument between these two....as for being ahead of Smith in WINS, that may never be achieved since Smith captained a STRONG Saffie team and ...well, Holder is stuck with the West Indies...if we get dat two tier test going, then we can talk!

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-11 16:20:24 

Big Bravo after 22 matches..the better batsman...

Also has more wickets than Holder..but his economy was woeful..bear in mind..DJB was considered a batting allrounder..but his and Holder's stats are quite similiar




The figures are there..dunno why u all dont jus use them rather than make false claims to push agendas

proving to be a far better all rounder than what Big Bravo was!!!


In reply to WestDem

What is your definition of all allrounder..and bettter? rolleyes

 
WestDem 2017-05-11 17:28:26 

In reply to DIEHARD

What is your definition of all allrounder..and bettter?


A very good question dat....busy right now...will answer yuh tomorrow!

 
Khaga 2017-05-11 17:42:56 

In reply to powen001

Bim colors making you blind? lol

 
powen001 2017-05-11 17:56:11 

In reply to Khaga

not at all man big grin

I used the word appears...hence the request for stats to see what the numbers are saying.

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-11 18:03:05 

In reply to WestDem

Please also provide definition of.."far better" lol lol

I'll hold my breath

lol lol lol

 
Khaga 2017-05-11 18:04:34 

In reply to powen001

I was referring to the Graeme Smith comparison. big grin

 
powen001 2017-05-11 18:16:17 

In reply to Khaga

naah man...

I am genuinely curious as to how Smith fared in his first few matches as he too was under the microscope for several reasons.

That was a bold move by SA but in our case..WI just seemed really desperate to try something different.

 
Khaga 2017-05-11 18:25:24 

In reply to powen001

Define " first few".. lol