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Het/Singh/Hope, selectors, replacements, etc.

 
Andy99 2017-05-14 14:23:26 

Selectors were right to give these guys a shot, all of u skunts who talking now were praising the decision and hoping both would debut together, aside from a few Jamaicans. They got a run, 6 innings in a row at home is good enough to make a initial judgement.

How long must we wait on Hope? One 90, one 40 and two 30's in 19 innings aint cutting it and his constant selection, based on promise and looking good (btw fack looking good, runs is a currency I deal with) its kind of past that stage. A team for him.

Singh must be dropped from both the Senior and A team. The fact that the came back from a successful A team tour then shat his pants in Regionals then went on and ton up vs Pak in the warm ups shows that he didn't put in the effort in Regionals. Drop him and if he scores in the next regionals then look at him for the A team.

Hetymer send him to the A team. Look if u is a #3 or an opener, and he is both, u debut and bat in ur position. And if he didnt most of u guy would be saying that they batted him outta position. A team for him.

Powell buys himself another series. Hope and Hodge waiting in the wings.

Dow had a scratchy series but has another series of pure failure before he can be considered to be dropped.

Paint no worries about him for me.

Bowlers all of them held their own. Bishoo has been taking wickets but seriously he is one lucky dude with them wickets. If Rakheem had his weight under control he'd be an option other than him I dont see anyone there to push out Bishoo. And a back up pacer for Shannon and Joseph. Cummins is a hound, maybe Roach. Holder stays at #8.

Tired of all these blockers who just let the bowlers dictate play, bring in some guys who if they get in can take away the game and put the bowlers under pressure.

Hope - Lewis
Het - Blackwood
Singh - Ambris

Lewis is iffy but when this guy gets going he will have bowlers running away.

Blackwood well we know him, the time out should hopefully will makes him a better and more determined player.

Ambris this guy always seems to gets the score moving along nicely with ease.

Looking at:
Paint
Powell/Lewis
Lewis/Powell
Blackwood
Chase
Ambris
Dow
Holder
Bish
AlJo
Gabriel

 
Andy99 2017-05-14 14:24:59 

Btw as expected some of the very same folk who were attacking Barath because he was a 'loose' shot maker are now singing the praises of Hetymer and saying he needs a run.

 
mikesiva 2017-05-14 14:27:15 

In reply to Andy99

I agree with most of what you say. However, I'm not convinced that Lewis's technique is good enough for Tests.

Kyle Hope made runs opening the batting for Barbados this PCL. He deserves a shot, at number three maybe, if we're going to persist with the two openers, Powell and Kraigg, who failed to score a single half-century between them.

 
Andy99 2017-05-14 14:29:57 

In reply to mikesiva

I dont disagree with that.
Lewis is the most iffy thing I said, I just want a player like that in the team who can take the game away from the bowlers, have been years since we had a player who did that
Hetmyer is the guy but A team is his level right now.

 
LBW375 2017-05-14 14:30:34 

In reply to Andy99

Add Jason Mohammed to the mix and I'm fine

 
mikesiva 2017-05-14 14:43:00 

In reply to LBW375

I would send a 16-man squad to England:


1) Kraigg Brathwaite
2) Kieran Powell - on probation, if he doesn't choose CPL instead
3) Shai Hope - on probation
4) Roston Chase
5) Jermaine Blackwood
6) Jason Holder - promote him, because he finishes not out, and he bats better than most of our specialist bats!
7) Shane Dowrich - on probation
8 ) Nikita Miller - deserves another chance, and English wickets can get dry in August
9) Dev Bishoo
10) Alzarri Joseph - if he doesn't choose CPL instead
11) Shannon Gabriel

12) Kyle Hope
13) Sunil Ambris/Jahmar Hamilton
14) Kemar Roach
15) Jerome Taylor - if he doesn't choose CPL instead
16) Jason Mohammed

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-05-14 16:59:33 

In reply to Andy99

Fair analysis

 
Andy99 2017-05-15 11:03:23 

Kope, Ambris and Hamilton are the batting/WK reserves.
Hodge and Cariah A team along with Hety and Sope.

 
Kay 2017-05-15 11:56:41 

In reply to Andy99

Do you have the count for how much A team series WI actually played over the past 3 years? I don't seem to remember many of those... thanks.

 
Andy99 2017-05-15 12:18:41 

In reply to Kay

Not nearly enough and Im sure someone like Adams would recognize the importance of this.
But I believe there were 2 last where Cornwall starred in.

 
CricketLuva4 2017-05-15 12:41:21 

In reply to Andy99

Disagree with Lewis. He played one game for T&T in FC cricket this season. I see you disagree with "loose shot makers" like Barath and Hety, yet you call for Lewis? At least we can make the argument that Barath had some regional runs under the belt, Hety had an average of near 40 in regional cricket and some good A-team scores.

We clearly don't need someone to "take the attack to the bowlers", and nobody in the region barring Gayle was able to do this in the last 15 years consistently. Chase, Holder and our more successful batsmen do not "take the attack to the bowlers", they play the ball on it's merit. If "taking the attack to the bowlers" did not work at home, why are you expecting it to work against Broad and Anderson in their backyard?

Alas, Kyle Hope is the next top order bat for me (1-3) and Ambris is the next middle order bat (4-6). Hope stays and England will be his final chance. Hety goes to the A team and Vishaul goes to kuntry.

 
Mr-Anguilla 2017-05-15 12:54:25 

number 3 belongs to Bravo, 4 belongs to Blackwood and Ambris should be in the team!

 
Andy99 2017-05-15 12:55:36 

In reply to CricketLuva4

I see you disagree with "loose shot makers" like Barath and Hety


Show me where I disagreed.

yet you call for Lewis?


Had a decent season last year, 3 fifties and 1 ton in his 9 innings at almost 50.
His FC average of 30 is just 1 run below Kope.

We clearly don't need someone to "take the attack to the bowlers", and nobody in the region barring Gayle was able to do this in the last 15 years consistently


Maybe that is the reason we suck ass then.
And is not like we have consistent blockers who block and score runs consistently, part from Shiv its Paint and Darren Bravo.

 
WestDem 2017-05-15 13:29:15 

In reply to Andy99


Singh must be dropped from both the Senior and A team.


He also need to be dropped from de Mudland team....he is de worse test player that I can remember in a long time!

 
googley 2017-05-15 13:38:22 

In reply to WestDem

dis chap from Dem afraid of the big stage!

Even Dowling was better! lol lol

 
CricketLuva4 2017-05-15 13:47:52 

In reply to Andy99

Okay maybe you don't disagree with the selection of loose shot makers, but we've seen Barath, we've seen Hety, we've seen Blackwood, we've seen Dwayne Smith. Why is Lewis any different? Maybe he scored runs in 2015-16 (a year and a half ago) but that carries very little relevance now. He chose to eat a food in BPL (nothing wrong with that, everyone needs to eat a food at some time). Maybe he will do no worse than those names above, but will he even be considered (he only played one game)?

Let's be real here, there is only 1 blocker in WI cricket, Paint. It's cruel to label Shiv, Lil B, Chase as blockers. We may not produce another Gayle again in the test arena, but we have seen glimpses of batsmen who have what it takes to be good (lil B, Chase, Holder). These are neither batsmen who are voopers nor are they blockers. They play the ball on its merit and mix caution and aggression. Based on this, does it not make sense to choose more batsmen like these instead of Voopers? Even Cariah I'd vouch for.

 
Andy99 2017-05-15 14:42:57 

In reply to CricketLuva4

Barath wasn't bad UNTIL they tried to make him a blocker.
Has Blackwood been that bad? A 31 average in content of this WI team is decent.
And as I said Lewis is an Iffy pick by me but one that I would take. Hope is a ahead of him, a few others too but I said my reasoning for picking him even if u dont agree. And for everyone of them shot makers who failed there is a Chandrika, Johnson, etc.

Lil B is blocker or poker. Shiv too, although Shiv could turn it up when he wanted too.
I didnt include Chase because in this series he has been a free scoring batsman, such a pleasure to see, Holder too is someone who scores with ease. If we had more of these players then great, I added Ambris who I thinks is a bit like them with it comes to moving along the score but most of the other guys is block,block, straight to fielder, block 5 more and then hit a 4.

 
Baje 2017-05-15 15:17:00 

In reply to Andy99
Hety and Shai are free scoring players, Hety tried to hit his way out and Shai tried to block his way out, cause the going was tough. #3 is too early for Hety now and he needs to be moved down the order.
Evin Lewis is a real talent and I dont mind gambling with him at #3.
Kyle Hope is not good enough to bat at #3, another A team tour, or good first class season.
Ambris..another good first class season needed.
Jason Mohammad has always impressed me, he reminds me of Chase in his mature approach to the game.
Chase bats balls on their merit, he appears to be a freescorer this series, cause he had the measure of the bowlers.
Not sure why you call Cummins a "hound" he has performed at FC and A team level
Blackwood is already in the team..he needs to inspire confidence in the coaches...its not like the selectors didnt see him
Holder is a #8..we just need 1-7 to do their job.
Lil B seems to have no interest..
Roach/Taylor looks good for a match or two..I question their ability to stay healthy

The coach has blamed the failure of his players on lack of experience. How do they get that sitting on the bench.. This was a tough series on tough wickets and I saw some glimpses of ability from most players. First time seeing Singh..so I reserve judgement.

 
Andy99 2017-05-15 15:35:09 

In reply to Baje

Agree with Hety being a free scoring player.
And honestly I wouldnt mind if they keep him in the XI, it might do more harm than good tho so that why I feel an A team and maybe ODI games now.
What u say about Shai may be true, IDK because so far in his 10 match Test career it has been block, block.

Chase bats balls on their merit unlike the other u block without giving a fcuk(it rhyme so I had to, lol)

Cummins just has never impressed me.

True with Roach and Taylor, doh I dont considering Taylor who only trying to find a way back because he couldnt get ah play in T20 leagues.

 
Headley 2017-05-15 15:53:29 

In reply to Andy99

That's mainly a lot of soup, maybe even hogwash. Here's the part that has some meat.

Tired of all these blockers who just let the bowlers dictate play, bring in some guys who if they get in can take away the game and put the bowlers under pressure.


We are Caribbean people we play cricket with flair and zest. We wont pay to see men block the ball. Dominicans will get over the novelty soon enough. All eleven don't have to be zestmen but we certainly don't want eleven zombies either.

 
JahJah 2017-05-15 15:59:37 

In reply to Headley

Andy specialises in such. lol

 
Norm 2017-05-15 16:01:35 

You are suggesting that players be punished for failure, in an endless stream.

Fortunately, the WICB has recognized the need for an apprenticeship between the regional system and Test cricket. In other words, the WICB accepts that no amount of punishment and dropping will produce new players of acceptable quality.

 
Baje 2017-05-15 16:09:14 

In reply to Andy99

Chase bats balls on their merit unlike the other u block without giving a fcuk(it rhyme so I had to, lol)

When you are failing, and need runs desperately, blocking is a good way to stick around a long time. In the ODIs, hope was making a flashy twenty with lots of pretty strokes. In the last ODI, he cut that out and made 71. In the regionals he was failing in early ODI matches, and started to block block his way to 40s. In the finals, with runs under his belt, he opened up with some flashy centuries.

On these recent wickets against Pakistan, only the tall long reached, survived.

 
WestDem 2017-05-15 16:23:00 

In reply to Norm

Vishaul Singh looked like he want no part of test cricket....nat only in his batting but his fielding is just as bad...

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-15 16:45:49 

Nothing wrong with giving youngsters a chance, but we have to show some kind of tactical nous in the decisions we make. Blackwood is your incumbent player so he must get first priority in selection. If he fails THEN you can drop him for one of the debutants. Cause once you play a newbie it's only fair that you give them a run. But since we couldn't make a simple common sense decision, like debuting them one at a time in place of a current player who fails, we were forced to watch the two walking wicket struggle for a whole series. And make no mistake about it, Hetty's only saving grace is his fielding. Otherwise he didn't look like he had a clue what was going on out there when he bat. Just because he play some pretty shot don't meant a thing. Any batsman can fling they bat and make a few runs. Every bowler in that pak team knew that his name (and singh) was a gift in the wickets column waiting to be collected. And singh never shoulda been in this team in the first place. Everybody going crazy over Chase's performance in the test series, but they conveniently forget that we just saw the exact same level of performance from a player in the limited overs leg of the tour. His name is Jason Mohammed. Jmo looked like he was playing in a whole different game compared to the other batsman in the team. Now just imagine for a minute if these idiot selectors had a collective thought and we had a middle order core consisting of Chase and Mohammed.

 
Runs 2017-05-15 16:49:10 

Guyana does not have a Khan, Ali, Hussain or Mohamed who can bat? razz
Am tired of these no good Brahmins lol

 
WestDem 2017-05-15 16:49:49 

In reply to aliaskid13

Just because he play some pretty shot don't meant a thing. Any batsman can fling they bat and make a few runs.


Interesting! How can he fling his bat and play some pretty shots?

 
WestDem 2017-05-15 16:51:08 

In reply to Runs

lol lol lol

Guyana ever had a Emir that can bat? Yuh gat Fudadin...

 
Runs 2017-05-15 16:52:35 

In reply to WestDem

Fudadin better than d Brahmins bro even Bacchus was better lol
Timur was boss too

 
Runs 2017-05-15 16:54:56 

Link Text
Fudadin stats better than many on this team

Mat Inns Not Out Runs BF
3 5 1 122 380

HS Ave SR 50s 100s
55 30.50 32.10 1 0

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-15 16:55:11 

In reply to WestDem

Interesting! How can he fling his bat and play some pretty shots?


simple. both are a matter of opinion so we can describe them any way we want.

 
WestDem 2017-05-15 17:01:13 

In reply to Runs

Fuda hardly mekking de Mudland team these days....like dem nah Emirs in Mudland...BTW....Timur and Bacchus are the only ones yuh can brag about but we neutralize dem with Ronnie and Tiger... razz razz razz

Recently Brahmins like Chandrika and now Singh guh mek de next WI team nat even looked in Guyana direction fuh batsmen!

Deo gat de rawest of deals....

 
Runs 2017-05-15 17:08:46 

In reply to WestDem

Banas a small pct of muslims in Guyana less than 8% of the pop so the stats are about right cool
Not even 50k bro lol

 
WICFan 2017-05-16 07:49:33 

They should get Cameron & Bravo into a room and sort out there disagreements before the England tour.

1. K. Brathwaite
2. K. Hope
3. D. Bravo
4. J. Blackwood
5. R. Chase
6. R. Reifer
7. S. Dowrich
8. J. Holder
9. D. Bishoo
10. A. Joseph
11. S. Gabriel
---
12. K. Powell
13. J. Hamilton
14. D. Jacobs/R. Cornwall
15. K. Roach

 
Andy99 2017-05-16 09:06:06 

In reply to Norm

You are suggesting that players be punished for failure, in an endless stream.


How am I suggesting that?
Who have I punished? Maybe only Singh and thats because he showed absolutely nothing and I stated above the additional reason why.
Hope has had a run, and Hety is very young and had a full series they are being sent to learn with the A team thats not a punishment.

Thats the only 3 changes I suggested.

 
Andy99 2017-05-16 09:07:23 

In reply to Baje

Most of these bats is block, block, hit good shot straight to fielder no run, block, block, straight to fielder, straight to fielder, block, block, 4 and repeat.

 
Andy99 2017-05-16 09:11:41 

In reply to aliaskid13

True talk, Mohammed looked a class above. Has been piss poor at FC level so I understand them not wanting to put him straight in Test but cant understand why he wasn't given an opportunity in the President 11 match.

An A team tour or home series vs a top team such as ENG, IND, SA or AUS (I wouldn't go for the other teams as there A teams arent that strong IMO) is so important right now as the FC season ended not to long ago. Have to try out the likes of Hope, Hodge, Cariah, Hamilton, Ambris, Mohammed, Cornwall, Mayer, Reifer, etc.

 
Andy99 2017-05-16 09:13:27 

In reply to WICFan

Not bad tho I'd bat Reifer below Holder and move Dow up to 6.
The reserves are about spot on.

 
Ragga007 2017-05-16 12:41:31 

In reply to Baje

"Ambris..another good first class season needed."

For WHAT?

He has NOTHING ELSE to PROVE.

 
natty_forever 2017-05-16 12:52:09 

Holder needs to bat at 7 so we can play an additional bowler. You may say we should actually play another batsman as we caan make runs, but that philosophy has been tried and failed. Time to man up West Indies ... 5 bowlers if you want to win more test matches ... Chase don't count.

 
Andy99 2017-05-16 13:02:44 

In reply to natty_forever

Our bowlers has been doing the job.
Beside an allrounder at #8 balances the uselessness of Joseph and Gabriel with the bat.