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methodic 2017-05-16 10:46:01 

1.Kraigg
2.Powell
3.Hetmyer
4.Chase
5.Hope
6.Mohammed
7.Carter
8.Dowrich
9.Holder
10.Bishoo
11.Joseph
12.Gabriel
13.Cummings
14.Blackwood
15.Cornwall

 
sunfish 2017-05-16 11:03:23 

In reply to methodic

Carter and Cornwall are non starters.

 
sunfish 2017-05-16 11:09:52 

I'd like to see Hamilton in the squad if only to pressure Dorwich. And Tayrol because he gets more swing than any other West Indian.

 
Pacy 2017-05-16 11:11:20 

In reply to methodic

Carter would not fit a test squad and I don't regard Cummings highly either.

 
osrlive 2017-05-16 11:18:27 

Ambris before Mohammed............wait is this a phantom squad?

 
analyst-kid 2017-05-16 11:26:38 

Cummins has experience in English conditions but consideration must be for Reifer ,Roach and Joseph who all played in that President Eleven game.

 
camos 2017-05-16 11:34:38 

In reply to methodic

Hope should not go.

 
analyst-kid 2017-05-16 11:44:01 

1 Kraigg
2.Powell
3.Ambris
4.Chase
5.Hope
6.Mohammed
7.Carter/Reifer
8.Dowrich
9.Holder
10.Bishoo
11.Joseph
12.Gabriel
13.Cummings
14.Blackwood
15.Jacobs/Roach

the batting is weak.Heymyer and Singh the two experiments failed and Ambris is next in line.

 
dayne 2017-05-16 11:46:47 

I would include Hamilton for Carter, because eventually Dowrich might have to give up the gloves. However Dowrich is a more consistent batsman than Hope, so he might be able to take his place. Also with Chase in the team it might be pointless selecting Cornwall.

 
analyst-kid 2017-05-16 11:49:06 

did Walton fail?..

 
silver 2017-05-16 11:53:28 

In reply to methodic


We don't need two spinners in England. Chase is enough spin,so maybe Reifer

 
camos 2017-05-16 11:57:12 

In reply to analyst-kid

you really have some nerve to expect the selectors to take Hope to England, or you asking for the other one?

 
mikesiva 2017-05-16 12:49:17 

In reply to sunfish

Carter and Cornwall are unlikely to give their CPL places to go to England to play Tests.

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-16 12:51:21 

In reply to sunfish

Carter and Hety are non starters.


Fixed it for you cool

Replace with Roach and Hamilton..and oh dump Cummings for...ANYBODY....

Whatta waste of space

 
Real-cricket 2017-05-16 12:53:16 

In reply to camos

[quote]you really have some nerve to expect the selectors to take Hope to England, or you asking for the other one?[quote]

All where we go we play with Hope big grin

 
jelfew 2017-05-16 12:58:01 

In reply to mikesiva

In other words, these players do not want to play test cricket. Those of us, fore example who would want to see Cornwall get the opportunity, should not expect it to happen because he would not take it now? Well, well, well.

 
Ray123 2017-05-16 13:04:47 

In reply to camos

Not even ten games and you give up hope already lol I say we should persist with him. He finally spending some time at the crease even thought there's has been no scores yet. He has the technique and all the shots. Only difference between him and Chase is that Roston is much more selective and patient.

I'd stick with Hetmyer too he just needs to tighten up his defense and be more selective. Singh needs to go and work out his game but I wouldn't close the door on him because he scores runs regionally, might just be nerves.

My team:

KB
KP
Hope
Chase
Ambris
Reifer
JMo
Dowrich
Blackwood
Holder
Bishoo
Gabriel
AJo
Yannick Cariah
Damion jacobs/Cornwall

 
mikesiva 2017-05-16 13:26:02 

In reply to jelfew

Reifer and Jacobs playing CPL too. And yet I see them name call.
smile
I don't think they would want to be picked for that tour either. Alzarri and Powell were picked for st kitts in the CPL. Has anyone told them yet that they have to go to England instead?

 
Kay 2017-05-16 13:36:39 

In reply to mikesiva

Carter and Cornwall are unlikely to give their CPL places to go to England to play Tests.

And how do you know this?

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-16 13:59:32 

In reply to methodic

your 15 look good. I would recommend a couple of changes though. Hamilton for Carter and Taylor for Cummins. Right now they can't possibly be considering playing even one more test match without Jerome Taylor. Same thing for Jason Mohammed. These guys aren't experiments. We know they can perform at the international level because we watched them do it just the other day.

 
openning 2017-05-16 14:21:47 

In reply to analyst-kid

What are Reifer's 4-day regional stats, for you to include him, in a test sqaud?

How many tons as an All-rounders does he have and how many 5-wicket hauls?
Guys like Mayers, Reifer and others game is suited for 50 overs cricket.

 
seaegg99 2017-05-16 14:30:01 

1 Kraigg
2.Powell
3.Mohammed
4.Hope
5.Chase
6.Dowrich
7.Holder
8.Taylor
9. Bishoo
10.Joseph
11.Gabriel
12.Armbris
13.Cornwall
14.Blackwood
15.Roach

 
allan 2017-05-16 14:36:37 

In reply to methodic
Cornwall wont make the squad with R.Chase doing so well. It better you include Reifer or Jacobs different type of bowler.. and reifer can play as an all-rounder..
carter isn't a test cricketer.. plus Roach deserve another opportunity, plus we will need his experience

 
Oilah 2017-05-16 14:54:18 

Find a place for kyle Mayers...de best swing bowler we have.

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 16:21:54 

In reply to Kay

Was gonna ask the same thing...

like some of these posters does make decisions for the players lol

He really think them fellas gonna pass up a tour to England for USD 5000 in the CPL?

lol

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 16:23:55 

In reply to Oilah

find some pace for Mayers and they gonna carry him... already got Holder bowling 120kph you really think they need a next one?

 
Baje 2017-05-16 16:35:36 

In reply to DIEHARD

and oh dump Cummings for...ANYBODY....

Whatta waste of space

Is there any pacer in the caribbean with better first class numbers?

 
Oilah 2017-05-16 16:45:48 

In reply to anthonyp

If you are accurate and moving the ball both ways you don't need to be fast. How fast does Philander bowl?

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 16:58:12 

In reply to Oilah

Mayers accurate? lol

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-16 17:03:19 

In reply to Baje

A few this season...

But he's not got the goods.

Maybe he'll come along like Gabriel

 
Oilah 2017-05-16 17:21:23 

In reply to anthonyp
Honestly I have not seen Mayers enough to make a valid assessment on his accuracy but every time I have seen him bowl he moved the ball more than anyone in this region so I figure in England he would be a very real asset. So your issue with Mayers is his accuracy and not his pace or both?

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 17:37:37 

In reply to Oilah

You wanna play him as a specialist bowler?

Who would you drop to play him?

In my opinion Mayers is not good enough to be a specialist bowler.. d only way he making the squad is as an allrounder... and right now Reifer is way ahead of him.. I think Gabriel, Joseph, Cummins and Holder will be a handful in England.. Is de batting we gotta worry about..

 
Mr-Anguilla 2017-05-16 18:01:07 

Why are you guys chasing Royston up the order? He is making hundreds at 5, let him stay! Fix 1-4 and let the dude make hundreds at 5!

 
Oilah 2017-05-16 18:02:24 

In reply to anthonyp

I agree with you that Mayers would be fighting more for the allrounder spot (allrounder by West Indian standards)
wink

I however think he is better than Riefer and it is because of his bowling mainly and the fact that it is in England that I would seriously consider Mayers. In reality I also don't think he will be picked.

 
embsallie 2017-05-16 18:10:14 

In reply to Mr-Anguilla

Thank you for bringing it up. I was thinking along the same lines.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Why would Chase go up the order for guys who cannot bat at any position?

And please stop with these Cornwall and Reifer and Carter crap. These guys have not proven anything. Take them to a higher level and the same ones that want them now will be bawling to drop them after two games like they did for Hetmyer ans Singh.

Hetmyer should be persisted with and we should consider another Wicket Keeper.
I am in favor of bringing back Ramdin just to use the gloves and use Dowrich as a batsman.

There should not be too many changes, just a few tweaks here and there. I think Roach or Taylor should be part of the squad too

 
analyst-kid 2017-05-16 19:32:44 

In reply to openning

Reifer avg 37.08 with 445 runs batting in the four day
avg 21.58 with 36 wickets bowling in the four day

 
mkcharles 2017-05-16 19:47:12 

In reply to methodic

Mohammed - tough one, but both his recent and overall record allows us to know he is a consistently good short form cricketer but one who has rarely done it in 4 day cricket after 11 seasons amongst the very same players that we deem not good enough. It therefore come comes back to retaining Vishaul Singh and accepting that his Test form is that of a man who has not scored runs in 2017 period barring that President's XI, but one with 3 previously solid seasons, or calling up Sunil Ambris who has great career stats in 50 over cricket but the single breakout season in 2017 in 4 day cricket; or an A-Teamer Like Shamarh Brooks;

Carter - Another top order batsman required IMO; Take you pick of one of E. Lewis, Walton, M. Hodge or K. Hope; like Mohammed his ability is at odds with his record;

Cornwall - K. Joseph or Roach or swinger like K. Mayers as extra pacer in English Conditions, with Chase to continue back up spin;

 
mkcharles 2017-05-16 19:51:42 

In reply to anthonyp

He bowls mid 130s and his effort balls have been clocked at 140...anything faster will impact on his ability to swing that's why he bowls well within himself...he is a strong lad and locals will tell you he can bowl a fast ball but then he loses more than he gains in pure pace...

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-16 21:02:23 

In reply to mkcharles

The only pacer that should be added to the team is Jerome Taylor. We don't need no more experiment. Also Mohammed has proven that he has the ability to do well againt the same bowling attack that had some of the test batsmen looking like schoolboy cricketers. Proven ability should get the nod ahead of any unknown entity period. Jmo should've been given a chance in the test series based on current form and momentum alone. But the people in charge dont believe in things like conventional wisdom. And the backup Keeper should be Hamilton since i dont see them ever giving Ramdin another game for West Indies.

 
runout 2017-05-16 21:13:19 

If we are frustrated with WI performance in the recent series, then I am afraid English bowlers in English conditions, with this batting line up, will only add to our woes
My advise: Let's lower our expectations otherwise we will be saying the same thing sooner than later.

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 21:15:51 

In reply to mkcharles

So how Starc, Amir, Anderson and others swinging it at over 140kph?

I saw him bowling at Providence earlier this year and after couple overs his pace dropped big time...

 
anthonyp 2017-05-16 21:17:33 

In reply to aliaskid13

What exactly did Taylor do to be selected ahead of Roach?

Ah man just come out of retirement and yall done want him in the team...

 
mkcharles 2017-05-16 22:00:54 

In reply to anthonyp

There is conventional swing and reverse swing...most swingers these days reverse it which is a skill that can be learnt.

Kyle is a born swinger because of an action unique to HIM. He has worked hard trying to find out what works best for him. He CAN crank it up because he is a big strong boy but that has always impacted his effectiveness. I like pace like the next fella, but we also need to identify and work with players who bring different skills.

Amir doesn't reach the 140s anymore and neither does Jimmy. Starc is a natural swinger too but a wholly different physical specimen.

In any event the Physics people will tell you that 80 to 85 mph was the perfect pace for swing in the wind tunnel when they tested. If you swing it in the 90s that's just born natural ability...

 
mkcharles 2017-05-16 22:23:23 

In reply to anthonyp

...re: Taylor and to follow on from you, why and how did he retire? So he "un-retires" and we don't mind if he stops K. Joseph or Roach or Leveridge or whomever from getting a look in, or better yet why not replace Cummins since despite having the best FC record of all our pacers according to everyone he is useless?

I was always told that, "two wrongs don't make a right" and "manners maketh man". From casually observing it seems that there are a few, Taylor included, whom we have seen the end of. That of course is a pity if it meant that we would be a stronger cricket nation than presently.

 
thefacts 2017-05-16 23:08:29 

In reply to methodic

1.Kraigg
2.Powell
3.Hetmyer
4.Chase
5.Hope
6.Mohammed
7.Carter
8.Dowrich
9.Holder
10.Bishoo
11.Joseph
12.Gabriel
13.Cummings
14.Blackwood
15.Cornwall


1) Should be a 16 member squad for a Test tour to England (Hopefully

2) Lets first examine the automatic picks, ONLY FOUR

o. KB
o. ---------------
1. ---------------
2. ---------------
3. Chase
4. ---------------
5. ---------------
6. Jason
7. --------------
8. --------------
9. Gabriel

3) Now for each of the vacant slots, 7 in number, lets put the Front Runner Option (IN case of Two Front Runners, Put two options)

Opener: Powell and Lewis
No.3: Hetmyer* (* Assuming No Lil Bravo)
No.4: J Mo
No.6: Blackwood
WK: Dowrich & Shai Hope
Spinner: Bishoo & Narine
Pacer: Joseph & Cummins

There are 11 players above, that makes the total 4+11 = 15, that leaves 1 slot.

4) My 16th player will be Jerome Taylor, will give this team much needed experience.

So my 16 would be:

0. KB
0. Powell + Lewis
1. Hetmyer* (* Assuming No Lil Bravo)
2. J Mo
3. Chase
4. Blackwood
5. Dowrich + Hope
6. Jason
7. Bishoo + Narine
8. Joseph + Cummins + Jerome
9. Gabriel

 
mittheimp 2017-05-17 01:15:26 

Why is Holder and Chase in the team? Holder only in coz hes captain! Bajan crazy bias... cannot suppirt a team with these two mediocre players.

 
methodic 2017-05-17 03:29:45 

In reply to thefacts AND ALL

Without much explanation needed I am sure that these 11 players are going to be selected providing they are healthy. This is from the 15 I selected in the lead thread.

1.Kraigg
2.Hetmyer
3.Hope
4.Chase
5.Blackwood
6.Holder
7.Dowrich
8.Bishoo
9.Joseph
10.Gabrieel
11.Cummings
(This is not a final 11)

So we are really discussing 4 players.
Powell, Mohamed, Carter and Cornwall.

 
WICFan 2017-05-17 05:24:49 

1. K. Brathwaite
2. K. Hope
3. D. Bravo
4. J. Blackwood
5. R. Chase
6. R. Reifer
7. S. Dowrich
8. J. Holder
9. D. Bishoo
10. A. Joseph
11. S. Gabriel
---
12. K. Powell
13. J. Hamilton
14. D. Jacobs/R. Cornwall
15. K. Roach

 
thefacts 2017-05-17 06:42:03 

In reply to WICFan

2. K. Hope
6. R. Reifer
13. J. Hamilton
15. K. Roach

shock shock shock

Biggest Shocker is that you considered the above before J Mo and Lewis

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-17 07:09:41 

In reply to thefacts

Roach has got to be recalled.


Before Taylor in my opinion.

Taylor hasn't played any FC cricket.

Roach has been playing.. And was one of the leading fast bowlers in the just concluded FC season.

He's ahead of Cummins for me

 
thefacts 2017-05-17 07:31:20 

In reply to DIEHARD

Look, I am not against Roach per se.

But he did play in the Tour Game vs Pakistanis and clearly his game isn't 100%.

IMHO, he can be ready by next season, whats the rush? Another breakdown now and Roach could be history!

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-17 11:14:44 

In reply to thefacts


And how did he do in that tour game?

18-4-71-2

Figures no worse than Aljo

Taylor is too much of an unknown right now for a Test match.

Breakdown??

He played the entires season and then some.

Gabriel is just as likely to break down.

Roach is ready, we neeed him for England

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-17 11:46:01 

In reply to anthonyp

What exactly did Taylor do to be selected ahead of Roach?


He's playing in England as we speak and doing very well, and that's a level of cricket several notches above what we have here, even if it's List A.

Ah man just come out of retirement and yall done want him in the team...


At the time he retired he was going through a slight dip in form but was still arguably the best fast bowler in the west indies. He wasn't dropped or forced into retirement. His ego got the better of him when he was asked to play some games to show match fitness and he tell them to hell with it. He's since come to his senses, so yes, if he's match fit he walks back into my team.

 
WICFan 2017-05-17 12:59:24 

In reply to thefacts

Roach should go as the spare bowler. He could breakdown at anytime over the next lot of years, but if he goes on tour then he has facilities provided to keep himself in good condition on his comeback.

Let him play in a warm-up game, while he's in England he might be brought in by a County to play a couple of FC games.

In regards to Taylor, my fear is that he is past his best, but if one of the pacers picks up an injury in England in bring him in as cover.

In reply to WICFan

2. K. Hope
6. R. Reifer
13. J. Hamilton
15. K. Roach

Biggest Shocker is that you considered the above before J Mo and Lewis


Are you kidding me, Evin Lewis played one FC game during the Regional Season. Let Jason Mohammed get himself in at ODI's, his FC stats aren't great so why put him in there.

 
thefacts 2017-05-17 13:03:44 

In reply to WICFan

There is always an excuse to keep Titties and Muddies OUT

Despite them performing at the International Level.

.. and there is always a case to Bring MORE BAJANS into the TEAM... based on a Regional Tournament which has absolutely NO STANDARD WHATSOEVER.

TYPICAL MAFIA

Further, you have discredited Jerome who is actually playing in a much tougher league and doing well, just so that you can push your BAJAN MAFIA AGENDA....

But you know what...

Actually I am really happy this is happening OUT IN THE OPEN... so that everyone can see and Judge for themselves.

The whole MASK of UNITY and that WI are ONE PEOPLE, CARIBBEAN SPIRIT etc... is nothing but a HOAX.

I have to confess, I have been really enjoying the licks the team has been getting ever since this BAJAN MAFIA ride started.

LOST to Zimbabwe, Ireland, ... now first ever series loss to Pakistan at home...

WI are nearly no.9 in Test cricket, already out of Champions Trophy, might not qualify for World Cup 2019...

and I PRAY TO THE LORD, that AFGHANS whup WI team RASS RED AND ROUND.

AMEN.

 
WICFan 2017-05-17 15:54:07 

In reply to thefacts

I'm not from Barbados, I'm not even from the Caribbean but that is what I think is the best side for the tour of England.

I guess you overlooked my selection of Bravo.

 
mikesiva 2017-05-17 16:03:20 

Taylor is down to play for st Lucia in the CPL.

We have to consider the possibility that given the toxic environment of the current Test team some players may understandably choose CPL over a test tour they are certain to lose.

The ball will swing in England and our batsmen can't play that.

Except Chanderpaul.

 
methodic 2017-05-17 19:32:03 

In reply to mkcharles

Let me expand the conversation since you are making some logical points. All games are finished for the season. After considering all the contenders from the local pool, the selectors thought that Singh and Hetmyer were the best choices. Regardless of their performances their selections were not experiments. For this reason they will absolutely continue with the development of Hetmyer.

 
methodic 2017-05-17 19:40:22 

In reply to mikesiva

The selectors have already made their choices as to who will debut as batsmen this year. Selections is not a merry go round. It is based on a systematic approach of evaluating and developing talent to excel at the highest level. It is far from a perfect science but it is not as simple as lining up the players with the best stats and then selecting them.

 
methodic 2017-05-17 20:21:22 

In reply to aliaskid13

Now this is what I think could come into play. The selectors are not going to debut another batsman this year. So they are going to look at the best
ODI bats. This is Mohamed and Carter. In addition, Adam and Law and their staff will approach the organization for the senior players they want despite the board's selection policy. They will look for players that have decent to good records in England. This brings Samuels into the equation. If they are successful, I think Samuels will be on the tour given his record in England. Taylor will be selected if a next seamer is considered, mainly for his swing bowling experience. I don't think he will be in a first 11. The only surprise selection I see possible and will be a debutant but he is very experienced in England is Chesney Hughes.

 
analyst-kid 2017-05-18 03:48:36 

If the selectors didn't go for Taylor in the Prez 11 match ...how are they suddenly going to pick him now?

He came back in the regionals and took 8 wkts avg 28.32...against a Barbados team at Kensington missing Kraigg,Hope,Chase,Brooks,Holder and Dowrich he got one wicket in the entire match.

Taylor avg 88.00 in 5 matches with 6 wkts vs Eng in Eng

Roach on the other hand played 7 matches and took 23 wkts avg 16.17 the second best average for a fast bowler in the entire tournament behind Cummins 15 wkts avg 16.00..

In addition Roach is a guy who needs nuff cricket to get n top form..nuff tour matches in England

Roach avg 34.25 in 2 matches with 8 wkts vs ENG IN ENG

 
Ewart 2017-05-18 08:28:15 

In reply to aliaskid13



Solid reasoning. Of course, it might not go down well with some folks here... But it is solid reasoning.


//

 
methodic 2017-05-18 09:35:32 

In reply to analyst-kid

What you said makes sense but bare in mind they might be looking for more of a player/teacher to help the younger bowlers

 
SirGarny 2017-05-18 10:40:19 

In reply to methodic

The final test 11 must include:

Holder (captain)
Chase (best bat)
KB (only opener with an average of 30+)

Hope (Flag
Dowrich (Flag)
Bowler (Flag)

Selector Courtney Brown will not allow any less than 6 Bajans on the final 11, no matter how unproductive
wink cry sad

 
imusic 2017-05-18 12:16:57 

This is the squad I believe the selectors will go with


Holder
KB
Powell
Hope
Blackwood
Chase
Hetmeyer
Singh
Dowrich
Gabriel
Joseph
Cummins
Bishoo
Cornwall
Roach

 
Oilah 2017-05-18 12:29:52 

In reply to imusic

Cyan see dem dropping Hetmyer

 
imusic 2017-05-18 12:42:58 

In reply to Oilah

You right. I forgot about Hety.

He's in at Ambris' expense

Ambris is a long shot anyway...unless they believe Singh's technique cannot withstand scrutiny at this level...especially in English conditions.

But you swapping an inexperienced rookie with an inexperienced rookie...so...they may revisit Marlon Samuels....or even go for Jason Mohammed..who is technically a rookie...but fairly experienced compared to Singh and Ambris

 
seaegg99 2017-05-18 12:52:39 

In reply to imusic

I like yours with the change of Mohammed for Singh. He should have been the #3 against Pak. Hetty also will be found out by the English pacers. Very talented but needs more seasoning. Hope, for whatever reason soaks up too many balls without rotating the strike.

 
SirGarny 2017-05-18 13:12:40 

In reply to methodic

Hopefully a sense of realism will come over the selectors. Deep down, they know they don't have sufficient talent/experience to challenge ANY top seven test side...all things being equal. Windies are capable of winning the one-off game here and there, but they know in their hearts that they don't have the makings of a WINNING TEAM.

Maybe the aim is to establish a nucleus of players that they will go with...no matter what...to avoid the chop-and-change selection policy. That may mean carrying a consistently underperforming batsman all in the name of team chemistry. If the focus is to throw this core of players "in the deep end" until they learn how to swim, then on that basis practically anyone can make the team.

Selecting an 11 that gives the Windies the best chance to win is an entirely different standard.

What's clear is that given the current pool of players, a learning AND winning experience is not possible on a consistent basis.

Again,,,just my humble opinion.
wink

 
openning 2017-05-18 13:13:53 

Mohammed form came via the 50 overs competition, cannot see him in a test squad.

Roddy said on Midwicket, in the absent of HPC, Ambris and Johnson should play this year in the BCA competition.

 
embsallie 2017-05-18 13:23:49 

In reply to WICFan

I'm not from Barbados, I'm not even from the Caribbean but that is what I think is the best side for the tour of England.


So what you doing selecting "our" team for us?

 
imusic 2017-05-18 14:13:03 

In reply to seaegg99

Hope, for whatever reason soaks up too many balls without rotating the strike.

Darren Bravo has the same issue. Perhaps even more so than Hope.

But they're also our 2 best young batsmen

Don't think we'll be seeing Darren Bravo in WI colors as long as Dave Cameron is President tho

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-18 14:39:46 

In reply to imusic

Hetmeyer, Singh and Cummins can stay right here and watch the game on tv. After watching both Hetmeyer and Singh get out in embarrassing fashion to seamers the entire series you really think it's wise to send them to England, where the seaming ball will be doing so much more through the air and off the wicket? With the hope that they do what exactly, miraculously have perfect technique by that time? Let me tell you, as much as i love to see a batsman lose his off stump, i absolutely hate to see it happen to someone on my team. After watching these two men in this series, every fast bowler in the world probably have wet dreams about bowling to them. Mek dem tap right ya.

 
seaegg99 2017-05-18 14:53:48 

In reply to imusic

Thing I like about Mohammed is he tends not to get bogged down too long. Chase is also like that. Not as aggressive but he will get the ball away. Guys are just looking for 4 balls and letting a lot of singles go to waste. I would play Mohammed because he too can bowl a little. Think adding Roach/Holder could offer more batting late than some of the top order batting provide. This would also strengthen the bowling with a veteran player.

KB
Powell
Mohammed
Hope
Chase
Dowrich
Holder
Roach/Taylor
Bishoo
Joseph
Gabriel

 
imusic 2017-05-18 14:54:28 

In reply to aliaskid13

Selectors are investing in those youths.

What's the point of investing if you abandon at the first sign of trouble? It means you NOT in it for the long haul

That said....perhaps some retooling is in order....for Singh in particular. But.....who replacing them?

Samuels say he retire from test cricket

Darren Bravo is persona non grata

Sunil Ambris? Andre McCarthy? Brandon King? They even greener than Hetmeyer and Singh

Leon Johnson? His lack of technique was also found out in international cricket

Asad Fudadin? Jonathan Carter? Both in the same boat as Johnson


This is the rebuild...retool....reform...whatever "re" you want to use....this is it. The selectors in their wisdom have identified Hetmeyer and Singh. To give them 3 matches and then tell them go back and learn and come again....doesn't make sense.

Where they going to learn? Any regional FC cricket coming up soon for them to learn?

Best stay the course, give them the opportunity to come good and see how it goes. Those waiting in the wings will get their chance. And they have to be given the same opportunity when it comes.

 
DIEHARD 2017-05-18 14:55:51 

In reply to seaegg99

Like that XI

JMo can do no worse than Hety at 3.

I want Roach back in the team..and Holder at 7.

That XI looks like it would be mine too if i was crowned selector for a day cool

 
imusic 2017-05-18 15:01:42 

In reply to seaegg99

Mohammed is a decent shout given his ODI success against Pakistan. I still think he can't bat but I must admit he played very well in the recent ODI series to have me reassess that.

Be that as it may, at this stage....is 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-18 15:20:26 

In reply to imusic

So just because you invest time and resources into cooking something mean u have to force yourself to eat it even if it go run your belly? I feel you might secretly be one of these selectors that we cuss daily because you think like them lol. Big man, There's nothing wrong with investing in the youths. But I don't believe in setting people up to fail either to prove some point or to reap the accolades if they somehow manage to beat the odds. I believe in doing whatever will give them the best chance at success. Sending a man to play against England in England after you watch him come forward to or leave alone ball and get his off stump sent half way to the boundary behind him multiple times will NOT give him the best chance of success. It will give him the best chance of failure. We need to stop that madness because it's making us look stupid.

 
imusic 2017-05-18 15:30:11 

In reply to aliaskid13

OK.

So.....who should replace Hetmeyer and Singh?

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-18 15:54:37 

In reply to imusic

These two men got a chance to play at the expense of Blackwood. And now they can both be replaced by adding a single player in Jason Mohammed.

 
imusic 2017-05-18 15:57:39 

In reply to aliaskid13

This is a squad of 15 I talking about

I not talking about the starting XI

So.....you advocate Jason Mohammed to replace one of them. Fair enough

Seeing that Blackwood is in the 15 that I believe the selectors will choose.....who replaces the other player?


Or is it that you're saying.....Mohammed can replace BOTH...and then include either a bowler or wicketkeeper to the 15?

 
Scar 2017-05-18 18:47:05 

This is the only time I will call for Marlan back in the team. I doing this like a baseball manager here bring in the hitter that owns a pitcher. Marlon owns and loves playing vs the Pommies. They admit they dont know what it is but he drives them crazy.

 
archangel 2017-05-18 23:03:10 

In reply to analyst-kid

Walton has failed every time he gets a chance in the senior team.

If Ambris not in there then the field is not level.

How would Carter get in over him?

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:27:56 

In reply to SirGarny

The final test 11 must include:

Holder (captain)
Chase (best bat)
KB (only opener with an average of 30+)

Hope (Flag
Dowrich (Flag)
Bowler (Flag)


I will add Gabriel to that list. Also I can't see them finding any reason to leave out Joseph.

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:37:08 

In reply to sunfish

I'd like to see Hamilton in the squad if only to pressure Dorwich. And Tayrol because he gets more swing than any other West Indian.


I think Hamilton would be the next keeper selected if Dowrich have a poor long run. That is if Hamilton continues to perform.

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:43:49 

In reply to Pacy

Carter would not fit a test squad and I don't regard Cummings highly either.


With Cummings being selected in the 13 and not playing, it will be difficult to drop him. Carter and Mohamed is basically standing on the same platform. I can't see how one can advocate for Mohamed and just close the door on Carter.

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:45:48 

In reply to camos

Hope should not go.


Hope will be in the first 11.

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:50:15 

In reply to silver

We don't need two spinners in England. Chase is enough spin,so maybe Reifer


this is a good argument. I like Reifer but I think Reifer will have to convince the selectors that he can be a top wicket taker.

 
methodic 2017-05-18 23:55:17 

In reply to allan

plus Roach deserve another opportunity, plus we will need his experience


In my opinion I think the selectors have moved pass Taylor and Roach. However, they might select one of them for the young fast bowlers to lean on. I think Taylor has the edge there.

 
Scar 2017-05-19 00:02:59 

In reply to methodic

We need the leggie most though. Historically they have problems with legspin googley bowlers no matter how poor. Even Benn had them bothered

 
methodic 2017-05-19 00:11:04 

In reply to Scar

Bishoo will play

 
aliaskid13 2017-05-19 12:47:08 

In reply to imusic

Or is it that you're saying.....Mohammed can replace BOTH...and then include either a bowler or wicketkeeper to the 15?


That is exactly what I'm saying

 
imusic 2017-05-19 12:57:23 

In reply to aliaskid13

Hopefully you're not a WI selector