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Lol but seriously despite the cricketing dunce to understand the basics of spin bowling, there are some good stuff in there.

Spin/Swing first. Work on that then accuracy.

Don't let ur spinners be an afterthought.

Always have a plan.

Must watch.

In reply to Andy99

About 15 minutes into the video will give you a wonderful illustration of using the wrist to bowl the googly.

This is why wrist spinners can bowl the googly and the finger spinners only the leg break. If you are prepared to learn watch this video.

16.15 is where you want to focus on wrist spin and the googly. The googly cannot be produced without the use of the wrist. There is a reason why this type of bowling is called wrist spin. You are using your wrist to get the ball to spin the other way. Many variations can now come for you as a leggie, with the use of your wrist.

And I have said it before, this is why Bishoo has difficulty bowling the googly: (i) His bowling arm position is too low (ii) he does not use his wrists sufficiently.

But I will not be surprised If after seeing the video allyuh still cannot understand the difference. Warney has demonstrated this beautifully in this video. Facting dunces.

Dis done.

In reply to Courtesy

I use to bowl leg spin, and thinking you can't bowl a google with a low arm is not true. I use to bowl all the variations with a lower than normal arm. Bowling with a lower arm allowed to extract lots more turn than a higher action. Trust me when I say this, no one spun it bigger than me. Unfortunately, I bowled many ah donkey drops sighhhhhhhh

In reply to jen

With a lower arm, wouldn't you be more skiddy too? Especially if you're a shorter gentleman (like Bishoo).

In reply to jen

when i bowled leg spin my attempt at the google was from the longest extension i could possibly get...infact i used to bowl alot of full tosses because of that

In reply to CricketLuva4

i prefer the lower arm for the flipper because i want skid ...

for the googly i want bounce so i go higher

In reply to CricketLuva4

Naw, with proper leg spin, once you do it well you will get bounce. Bishoo problem is the bowling across the seam takes away so many benefits. Usually its harder to be accurate spinning on the seam so I guess that's why he uses the other grip. Once you lace the ball with plenty overspin, that ball gonna bounce.

Nowadays I bowl off spin, sometimes I get balls up to head height. I'm about 6 foot and put loads of revs on the ball. Turn my off breakers a long way too, when the pitch have a lil wear. With leg spin, coulda spin it on any surface.

In reply to Courtesy

In reply to conman

Brother, we are restricted to leggies on this thread.

"You get more of your bases covered with wrist spin..."

In reply to Courtesy

how do you bowl leg spin with your fingers?

break it down, which finger is causing the revs?

In reply to conman

There is a video link in the opening post for reference.

Warney says: "...the easiest grip for me...and this is purely leg spin is that two fingers down and two fingers up..."

Follow de damn video. It's a master class.

Allyuh getting on like dunces who don't understand English language.

In reply to Courtesy

thats how you grip it

the grip is all for having the best release for the wrist to do the work

still no fingers causing the spin

In reply to conman

In reply to conman

Exactly, the dude is reading the experts comments about the art of bowling legspin and drawing his own consclusions from the theory. Obviously he never tried it as that would have put all his, "spin" to rest.

In reply to Courtesy

before i reply to runs

have you ever bowled leg/finger spin before?

In reply to conman

Take an educated guess.

In reply to Courtesy

no
and i ask b/c runs came up with that conclusion

i wanted to hear from you instead of guessing

In reply to conman



That con guess was expected.

Time to move on mate. You're watching a video from Warney and still talking shoite.

Wait!!!! Are wrist spinners expected to not have fingers?

By the same token pacemen have to use their fingers too. So can we classify them as fingerspinning medium to fast? Wait they also use their wrist so dem ah wrist spinning fast bowlers?

Who remembers this stunning flying catch?

So question to the cricketing dunce, Courtesy, are Bishoo and Warne these finger spinners that u talk about and Shah the wrist leg spinner?

In reply to Andy99

Now that you have mellowed a bit, let me answer you.

There are pure finger spinning leggies of the Bishoo variety.

There are leggies with big finger spinning leg breaks but can also bowl wrist spin of the Warney and Yasir Shah variety.

And pure wrist spinners like Amit Mishra, there are one or two more Indians and the guy from South Africa whose name escapes me. The pure wrist spinning leggies do not spin the leg break very big but they will beat you with variety... "they cover more bases" as Sanjay Manjdrekar would say.

The pure wrist spin leggies also get the googly to turn big.

Why can't this be resolved?

I can back up courtesy with that the are some leggies who use more wrist and some more fingers. The ones who combine wrist and fingers will be the ones who extra the most turn. The strict finger ones will get more pace and bounce off the pitch.

In reply to jen

Imusic on KB, started at the junior level
He is now batting at 0 for 2, he also has Jason Moe on the cannot bat, podium.

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Who will you believe Sanjay who never played test cricket as a bowler or Siva who represented India as a legspin bowler
The WRIST always have to be in play when bowling legspin. ALWAYS

See Andy in the video above SIVA says "Amit Mishra is not using his fingers too much". Notice his grip on the ball is very different from the finger spinner. He is classified as a pure wrist spinner. And there a leggies in between who do both finger and wrist spin.

In reply to Courtesy

In reply to Andy99

In reply to jen

In reply to Andy99

You want to check the meaning of orthodox and get back to me.

And really...has the argument changed? Check my post of May 03, 2017 and get back to me as well.

And all this without seeing Warney's video.

Allyuh will learn.

In reply to Courtesy

Yes the leg break, who turns it more?

In reply to Andy99

De last word:...dem two fellas really dunce to bring these two reference videos to light. It only shows how...they are.

Have a great night all those who believe the Courtesy is a dunce. I will never exchange my duncey world with yours.



Have a great night idiots.

One for archives.

In reply to Courtesy

Toot toot

In reply to Runs

Not everyone can bowl wrist spin well bro. Gotta have supple wrists and long fingers do help. Warnie had some big hands tho and thick fingers, was not a slim guy either.

I used to turn it a mile when I bowled legspin, the googley needs,a bit more artfullness since it comes out from behind and over the wrist rather than over the fingers only. Mine g was more of a skidder. Bishoo lacks confidence in his amd doesnt try it. I used to bowl the offspin and use my thumb to get a slight leggie deviation

In reply to Andy99

Have you asked your cohort of dunces to apologize having seen both videos and understanding the nuances of leg spin bowling.

Next time don't fact with de Courtesy.

It's archived.

In reply to Scar

I find slimmer bowlers bowl a better googly, out of all the leggies like Kumble, MacGill, Kaneria, Tahir, Warne google was probably the worse of them all. Kaneria in his earlier days bowled an awesome googly, MacGill own was always classy. Tahir right now has the best. Dips and rips!

In reply to jen

True Warnie use to call his a flipper or topper and admitted such. I think it was Ponting who said it eas because of his large hands and thick wrist and fingers he could let the leggie rip so much.

In reply to jen

Oh rass BiSHoo still got them spinning????

In reply to doosra

We are talking in general, it doesn't mean its always the case. Warne clearly had a more powerful shoulder yet MacGill spun them further. Things don't always apply to everyone. MacGill action allowed him to get the ball up, drop and spin. Bowled massive leg breaks.