up 19%
122 in St James.
12 days in June - seven a day.
Expat killed in Cherry Gardens today
Two killed on Red Hills Road Saturday night - one a dem from England.
Where is dat ad about crime again?
Dat person's dream is our nightmare.
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639 murdered for the year so far
In reply to Chrissy
Wow!!! Chilling numbers for such a small Country.
In reply to Chrissy
1,300 + by December...
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In reply to Chrissy
12 days in June - seven a day.
Expat killed in Cherry Gardens today
Two killed on Red Hills Road Saturday night - one a dem from England.
Damn! Damn! And for what? Control over drug trade and lottery scam?
Jamaicans are behaving like savages.
What an indisciplined and corrupt society!
Seriously, that's freaking stunning as well as tragic.
Hold your horses sah! How was it under PeeNpee? Soon things will get betta! Just let JLP get 2 consecutive terms, then u will see ja transformed. Done!
In reply to BeatDball
Ate you implying Jamaicans murder each other depending on which party in power?
In reply to Chrissy
Saddens me greatly and feel for the law abiding families who have lost loved ones. I have fallen in love with JA and have visited the last four years. Since am not smart enough to know the solution,i will continue to hope for the best.Cherry Gardens is a lovely area so one can be touched anywhere.
In reply to nitro
Unfortunately there was a time when politics had a lot to do with the homicide rate. Google Jamaica 1980 elections for some perspective. That was a bit of a one off and political homicides are virtually a thing of the past. The last 3 elections are proof of that.
Today's killings are more gang and drug related. Factor in the lottery scam component as well. I feel most sorry for the innocent victims...passers by in the wrong place at the wrong time. Such a wanton disregard for the sanctity of life.
The carnal crime rate is excessive as well. Poor people...always the victims and they seem to have no voice!
In reply to SirGarny
Actually the 1989 election was the one that marked the end of the civil war.
Just to back up, Jamaica had peaceful elections from 1944 to 1972. Then came 1976 and 1980 when somebody was fighting to put somebody out of power, and the second somebody would not go without a fight. This cost in the region of 2,000 lives.
Bear in mind, there were only two elections that were overrun with political gunmanship, and they were 1976 and 1980.
With the mission accomplished with the 1980 election, several gunmen miraculously received US visas and went off to the US (and Canada) where they formed posses. This also marked the beginning of the end of the politically directed gun violence; the gunmen now did their own thing, and the drugs and scamming killings began to skyrocket. Elections have been relatively peaceful ever since then.
However, the chronic historic unemployment also generates a much bigger part of today's criminal activity including killings than it is usually given credit for.
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In reply to Ewart
Was a study ever done on the possibly link between dancehall music and the increasing violence in Jamaican society?
Countries with the highest murder rates in the world
Top 10:
1. Honduras, 90.4
2. Venezuela, 53.7
3. Belize, 44.7
4. El Salvador, 41.2
5. Guatemala, 39.9
6. Jamaica, 39.3
7. Lesotho, 38
8. Swaziland, 33.8
9. Saint Kitts and Nevis, 33.6
10. South Africa, 31
In reply to NineMiles
Four from one family slaughtered in Hanover overnight.
In reply to nitro
Ah shut up with your ignorance
In reply to Chrissy
One of our employees in Hanover and his mother were killed a few weeks ago. Sad and senseless
In reply to Walco
That is what it is - sad and senseless.
In reply to NineMiles
Six of the ten in our hemisphere - five in Central America and the Caribbean
In reply to Chrissy
Opposition Spokesman on Youth and Culture, Lisa Hanna, is standing by her comments regarding dancehall music.
According to Ms. Hanna, messages glorifying criminality are being conveyed to the nations children in music. She says this will ultimately lead to harmful consequences.
Ms. Hanna admits shes a lover of dancehall music. But says she doesnt see why the music must be used to promote violence and abuse of women.
I have not seen a study on this but my gut feeling is the violent message in Jamaican music, amongst other things such as unemployment, corruption and lack of justice is what is driving the high murder rate in Jamaica.
In reply to Chrissy
The lyrics of a convicted murderer who is apparently still Jamaica's number one artist based on air play.
Real Badman, Vybz Kartel.
Yo, mind mi slap one inna yuh face
Wah do yuh?
Me nuh tek intimidation
Cah fra me a likkle bwoy me nuh fear man
And, me will mek yuh live up a di station
Bombohole
Go bad up yuh madda
Feel seh yuh bad step pon mi Bank Robber
Who boots yuh fi try diss di grandadda
Yuh bright and yuh facety, yuh tink like grabba
Doe mek mi guh a De La Vega guh link Vaga
When mi seh "ready" yuh cya seh yuh cya botha
Di chatty chatty business mi lef dat to Ragga
So mi rise up di ting dem weh longa than a ladda
Hook:]
Cah mi nuh inna chatin', no yappin', no flippin', no floppin'
Mi strappin' fi clappin', mi lass dem fi choppin'
Mi trick him, mi trap him, di riffle dem whop him
Him run but dem drop him, him choking, him gappin'
People ah run out bout "what happen, what happen? "
Dem run back inside when more shots start attackin'
Di K long like wicket and when dat start battin'
Dem ah bawl Jesus Christ, Holy Ghost could not block him (awoh)
How many murders is one man allowed to commit? Looks like JA has bred more Duduses since the singular one.
Blame white people, and then blame the Indians.
In reply to nitro
I have long thought this kind of music propagates the culture of social stagnation and masochism found in caribbean societies. It is destroying the youths who would rather turn to crime than put their head down and grind for a more enduring future.
I dont see this in music from other societies.
In fact a jew, Matisyahu, took reggae music and sung some of the most uplifting reggae music ever.
A tree without roots...
I wholeheartedly agree this music should be censored and curbed. It incites social tormoil.
In reply to Ewart
Good points all around...That 1980 election was especially brutal...can't get that out of my head! We descended to the levels of butchers and savages!!
I remember in 2002 I was visiting my aunt in St. Mary and was about to step out in a tangerine colored polo shirt. My aunt emphatically demanded that I wear a different color shirt, considering the tensions of the contested elections when PJ bested Seaga...
In reply to trev114
It's a mess
In reply to trev114
Senseless!! And it appears that a backlogged Criminal Justice System can't grant due process in a timely manner..
“If this trend continues, the 967 persons we arrested for murder last year and the 284 we arrested up to June 10 this year are not likely to face trial until 2024,” Quallo lamented, noting that this often led to cases being dismissed
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Could be part of the reason why the JCF and JDF have itchy trigger fingers.
In reply to steveo
I have long thought this kind of music propagates the culture of social stagnation and masochism found in caribbean societies. It is destroying the youths who would rather turn to crime than put their head down and grind for a more enduring future.
I dont see this in music from other societies.
In fact a jew, Matisyahu, took reggae music and sung some of the most uplifting reggae music ever.
A tree without roots...
I wholeheartedly agree this music should be censored and curbed. It incites social tormoil.
Porno is bad too, should we ban it?
Lack of education, hopeless, despair and bad parenting are to be blamed.
In reply to black
Why is porno bad again?
In reply to steveo
Do you realize that almost all young people listen to that type of music?
The ones committing murders, as tragic as it may be, is very small.
In reply to black
The numbers are not small. It appears more Jamaicans are in lotto scamming than in any legal industry.
In reply to black
Porn as bad as it is does not teach violence.
In reply to nitro
Don't get me wrong, it's very tragic but I was just going off your analogy.
In reply to SirGarny
That is why i said lack of justice is a reason for the killings.
Some kill knowing they have a huge chance of not being caught much less go to jail. Some kill as they see it as their only way to get justice.
I understand Judges have not been paid correct salaries. Well those who can afford to 'pay' them will buy their justice.
In reply to nitro
Even so, it is illegal to display porn to the general public, in gatherings etc.
I have no problem banning music that teaches our young minds that killing and voilence for a living is the way to go.
In reply to black
Do you realize that almost all young people listen to that type of music?
The ones committing murders, as tragic as it may be, is very small.
How come u dont apply that logic to the Muslims?
In reply to steveo
How come u dont apply that logic to the Muslims?
I do, I even defend them. Emir is the one that started propagating lies about me hating all Muslims.
In reply to black
Sure
Back to the subject, a youth not killing does not mean that the "music" and environment is not having a negative effect on him.
Young people are easily influenced and that sh!t shapes their self perceptions, values, goals and ambitions.
You only need to look at WI cricket to see the effects of culture.
In reply to steveo
Young people are easily influenced and that sh!t shapes their self perceptions, values, goals and ambitions.
You only need to look at WI cricket to see the effects of culture.
That's where parenting comes in, I've listened to some of the most wicked dancehall lyrics of the 80's and 90's, yet I have no interest in hurting anyone.
Good parenting are life long lessons you take to your grave.
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The ones these days are much worse. They make Bounty Killer sounds like the pope.
It may not affect most who listen this garbage called music but it must somehow embolden those with criminal minds.
In reply to SirGarny
I used to own 2 Dodge Avengers - by pure happenstance one was green, and one an orangey red. And we drove them without worry from 1970 - 76, when we left.
But by 2002 the colours thing was in full swing. Your aunt was right. She was only repeating the advice so many of us received from our relatives there...
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In reply to Ewart
Is the current violence politically motivated?
In reply to nitro
I would be very surprised to learn that. The political gunmanship of the seventies was in place to support the defeat of Michael Manley. When that was accomplished in 1980, there was no longer any need and it died down.
There are still some links... but they are insignificant to what is actually happening on the ground. Besides, there is no outside money to support it as there was 40 years ago.
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In reply to Ewart
I guess the violence of the 70s laid the foundation for this gun culture.
In reply to nitro
You could certainly say that. And we have done nothing substantial to fix it... Fixing it will require an all-out effort, and no government in Independence has seen the light.
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In reply to Ewart
It is incredible how slow the justice system is in Jamaica.
They have their priorities wrong.
They need to fix that.
I am sure that there are grants available from some international agencies that can be used to bring efficiency to the Justice system.
In reply to nitro PNP has always been inept when it comes to law enforcement. Same
for PNM of TnT, PNC of G-TEA! The more socialist oriented parties never give it priority - they always react to upsurge in criminality; they are never proactive....
In reply to BeatDball
So... which Jamaican party has been proactive against crime??
Which party brought the Gun Court??
Which party brought indefinite detention for gun crimes??
Why don't you quote how the 1976 state of emergency reduced all crimes by 50% or more???
You must be truthful. Don't follow Trumpism and issue fake news while proclaiming its virtue.
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How has the caribbean on a whole manage to get this way? It pains me anytime I hear of these ruthless violence and crime in the caribbean.
In reply to nitro
No question about that!
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In reply to Ewart
Maybe another reason why she had me change shirts was that she's a staunch Laborite.
In reply to SirGarny
You tink it easy!
The police have identified him as Stephen Elvis Malcolm of a Canterbury address.
Malcolm had just appeared before the Gun Court on charges of illegal possession of a firearm and shooting, where his bail was extended.
The police say Malcolm was travelling along Howard Cooke Boulevard in a car with friends when two other vehicles blocked their path.
The occupants of the two vehicles then reportedly alighted with high-powered weapons an opened fire on the car with Malcolm.
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