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639 murdered for the year so far

 
Chrissy 2017-06-12 20:18:36 

up 19%

122 in St James.

12 days in June - seven a day.
Expat killed in Cherry Gardens today
Two killed on Red Hills Road Saturday night - one a dem from England.

Where is dat ad about crime again?



Dat person's dream is our nightmare.

 
black 2017-06-12 20:47:15 

In reply to Chrissy

Wow!!! Chilling numbers for such a small Country.

 
Ewart 2017-06-12 21:16:22 

In reply to Chrissy


1,300 + by December...



shock


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SirGarny 2017-06-12 21:40:31 

In reply to Chrissy

up 19% ..122 in St James...
12 days in June - seven a day.
Expat killed in Cherry Gardens today
Two killed on Red Hills Road Saturday night - one a dem from England.


Damn! Damn! And for what? Control over drug trade and lottery scam?

evil evil evil cry cry cry

 
nitro 2017-06-13 09:13:12 

Jamaicans are behaving like savages.

What an indisciplined and corrupt society!

 
Tryangle 2017-06-13 09:39:40 

Seriously, that's freaking stunning as well as tragic.

 
BeatDball 2017-06-13 11:24:17 

Hold your horses sah! How was it under PeeNpee? Soon things will get betta! Just let JLP get 2 consecutive terms, then u will see ja transformed. Done!

 
nitro 2017-06-13 11:34:20 

In reply to BeatDball

Ate you implying Jamaicans murder each other depending on which party in power?

 
NYCGURU 2017-06-13 11:40:11 

In reply to Chrissy

Saddens me greatly and feel for the law abiding families who have lost loved ones. I have fallen in love with JA and have visited the last four years. Since am not smart enough to know the solution,i will continue to hope for the best.Cherry Gardens is a lovely area so one can be touched anywhere.

 
SirGarny 2017-06-13 13:18:18 

In reply to nitro


Are you implying Jamaicans murder each other depending on which party in power?


Unfortunately there was a time when politics had a lot to do with the homicide rate. Google Jamaica 1980 elections for some perspective. That was a bit of a one off and political homicides are virtually a thing of the past. The last 3 elections are proof of that.

Today's killings are more gang and drug related. Factor in the lottery scam component as well. I feel most sorry for the innocent victims...passers by in the wrong place at the wrong time. Such a wanton disregard for the sanctity of life.

The carnal crime rate is excessive as well. Poor people...always the victims and they seem to have no voice! evil evil cry cry

 
Ewart 2017-06-13 13:34:35 

In reply to SirGarny

The last 3 elections are proof of that.



Actually the 1989 election was the one that marked the end of the civil war.

Just to back up, Jamaica had peaceful elections from 1944 to 1972. Then came 1976 and 1980 when somebody was fighting to put somebody out of power, and the second somebody would not go without a fight. This cost in the region of 2,000 lives.

Bear in mind, there were only two elections that were overrun with political gunmanship, and they were 1976 and 1980.

With the mission accomplished with the 1980 election, several gunmen miraculously received US visas and went off to the US (and Canada) where they formed posses. This also marked the beginning of the end of the politically directed gun violence; the gunmen now did their own thing, and the drugs and scamming killings began to skyrocket. Elections have been relatively peaceful ever since then.

However, the chronic historic unemployment also generates a much bigger part of today's criminal activity including killings than it is usually given credit for.


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nitro 2017-06-13 15:02:00 

In reply to Ewart

Was a study ever done on the possibly link between dancehall music and the increasing violence in Jamaican society?

 
NineMiles 2017-06-13 17:02:51 

Countries with the highest murder rates in the world

Top 10:

1. Honduras, 90.4

2. Venezuela, 53.7

3. Belize, 44.7

4. El Salvador, 41.2

5. Guatemala, 39.9

6. Jamaica, 39.3

7. Lesotho, 38

8. Swaziland, 33.8

9. Saint Kitts and Nevis, 33.6

10. South Africa, 31

 
Chrissy 2017-06-13 18:51:05 

In reply to NineMiles

Four from one family slaughtered in Hanover overnight.

 
Chrissy 2017-06-13 18:52:33 

In reply to nitro

Ah shut up with your ignorance

 
Walco 2017-06-13 20:31:42 

In reply to Chrissy

One of our employees in Hanover and his mother were killed a few weeks ago. Sad and senseless sad

 
Chrissy 2017-06-13 20:53:50 

In reply to Walco

That is what it is - sad and senseless.

 
Chrissy 2017-06-13 20:55:12 

In reply to NineMiles

Six of the ten in our hemisphere - five in Central America and the Caribbean

 
nitro 2017-06-14 05:33:47 

In reply to Chrissy

Opposition Spokesman on Youth and Culture, Lisa Hanna, is standing by her comments regarding dancehall music.

According to Ms. Hanna, messages glorifying criminality are being conveyed to the nation’s children in music. She says this will ultimately lead to harmful consequences.

Ms. Hanna admits she’s a lover of dancehall music. But says she doesn’t see why the music must be used to promote violence and abuse of women.

I have not seen a study on this but my gut feeling is the violent message in Jamaican music, amongst other things such as unemployment, corruption and lack of justice is what is driving the high murder rate in Jamaica.

 
nitro 2017-06-14 05:43:56 

In reply to Chrissy

The lyrics of a convicted murderer who is apparently still Jamaica's number one artist based on air play.

Real Badman, Vybz Kartel.

Yo, mind mi slap one inna yuh face
Wah do yuh?
Me nuh tek intimidation
Cah fra me a likkle bwoy me nuh fear man
And, me will mek yuh live up a di station

Bombohole
Go bad up yuh madda
Feel seh yuh bad step pon mi Bank Robber
Who boots yuh fi try diss di grandadda
Yuh bright and yuh facety, yuh tink like grabba
Doe mek mi guh a De La Vega guh link Vaga
When mi seh "ready" yuh cya seh yuh cya botha
Di chatty chatty business mi lef dat to Ragga
So mi rise up di ting dem weh longa than a ladda

Hook:]
Cah mi nuh inna chatin', no yappin', no flippin', no floppin'
Mi strappin' fi clappin', mi lass dem fi choppin'
Mi trick him, mi trap him, di riffle dem whop him
Him run but dem drop him, him choking, him gappin'
People ah run out bout "what happen, what happen? "
Dem run back inside when more shots start attackin'
Di K long like wicket and when dat start battin'
Dem ah bawl Jesus Christ, Holy Ghost could not block him (awoh)

 
ProWI 2017-06-14 07:21:39 

How many murders is one man allowed to commit? Looks like JA has bred more Duduses since the singular one.

 
Devin 2017-06-14 09:26:46 

Blame white people, and then blame the Indians.

 
steveo 2017-06-14 09:58:20 

In reply to nitro

I have long thought this kind of music propagates the culture of social stagnation and masochism found in caribbean societies. It is destroying the youths who would rather turn to crime than put their head down and grind for a more enduring future.

I dont see this in music from other societies.

In fact a jew, Matisyahu, took reggae music and sung some of the most uplifting reggae music ever.

A tree without roots...

I wholeheartedly agree this music should be censored and curbed. It incites social tormoil.

 
SirGarny 2017-06-14 11:56:01 

In reply to Ewart



Bear in mind, there were only two elections that were overrun with political gunmanship, and they were 1976 and 1980.


Good points all around...That 1980 election was especially brutal...can't get that out of my head! We descended to the levels of butchers and savages!!

With the mission accomplished with the 1980 election, several gunmen miraculously received US visas and went off to the US (and Canada) where they formed posses. This also marked the beginning of the end of the politically directed gun violence; the gunmen now did their own thing, and the drugs and scamming killings began to skyrocket.


Elections have been relatively peaceful ever since then.


I remember in 2002 I was visiting my aunt in St. Mary and was about to step out in a tangerine colored polo shirt. My aunt emphatically demanded that I wear a different color shirt, considering the tensions of the contested elections when PJ bested Seaga...

 
trev114 2017-06-14 12:04:09 

54 murders in one week

 
Chrissy 2017-06-14 12:12:45 

In reply to trev114

It's a mess

 
SirGarny 2017-06-14 12:23:52 

In reply to trev114

Senseless!! And it appears that a backlogged Criminal Justice System can't grant due process in a timely manner..

He bemoaned that while police were successfully completing their investigations and getting witnesses to testify at trial, it was taking as long as seven years for some matters to be ventilated before the law courts.
“If this trend continues, the 967 persons we arrested for murder last year and the 284 we arrested up to June 10 this year are not likely to face trial until 2024,” Quallo lamented, noting that this often led to cases being dismissed
.

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During the wait, majority of the accused may be granted bail and are then better able to influence witnesses, whether with violence or bribes. Interest will naturally wane. Unfortunately, in the end, majority of these suspects will not be convicted,” he said.

Could be part of the reason why the JCF and JDF have itchy trigger fingers. evil cry redface

 
black 2017-06-14 12:29:48 

In reply to steveo


I have long thought this kind of music propagates the culture of social stagnation and masochism found in caribbean societies. It is destroying the youths who would rather turn to crime than put their head down and grind for a more enduring future.

I dont see this in music from other societies.

In fact a jew, Matisyahu, took reggae music and sung some of the most uplifting reggae music ever.

A tree without roots...

I wholeheartedly agree this music should be censored and curbed. It incites social tormoil.


Porno is bad too, should we ban it?

Lack of education, hopeless, despair and bad parenting are to be blamed.

 
steveo 2017-06-14 12:32:55 

In reply to black

Porno is bad too, should we ban it?


Why is porno bad again?

 
black 2017-06-14 12:40:56 

In reply to steveo

Do you realize that almost all young people listen to that type of music?

The ones committing murders, as tragic as it may be, is very small.

 
nitro 2017-06-14 12:43:20 

In reply to black

The numbers are not small. It appears more Jamaicans are in lotto scamming than in any legal industry.

 
nitro 2017-06-14 12:44:26 

In reply to black

Porn as bad as it is does not teach violence.

 
black 2017-06-14 12:45:21 

In reply to nitro

Don't get me wrong, it's very tragic but I was just going off your analogy.

 
nitro 2017-06-14 12:49:13 

In reply to SirGarny

That is why i said lack of justice is a reason for the killings.

Some kill knowing they have a huge chance of not being caught much less go to jail. Some kill as they see it as their only way to get justice.

I understand Judges have not been paid correct salaries. Well those who can afford to 'pay' them will buy their justice.

 
steveo 2017-06-14 12:56:22 

In reply to nitro

Porn as bad as it is does not teach violence.


Even so, it is illegal to display porn to the general public, in gatherings etc.

I have no problem banning music that teaches our young minds that killing and voilence for a living is the way to go.

 
steveo 2017-06-14 12:57:24 

In reply to black


Do you realize that almost all young people listen to that type of music?

The ones committing murders, as tragic as it may be, is very small.


How come u dont apply that logic to the Muslims?

 
black 2017-06-14 13:02:59 

In reply to steveo


How come u dont apply that logic to the Muslims?


I do, I even defend them. Emir is the one that started propagating lies about me hating all Muslims.

 
steveo 2017-06-14 13:14:22 

In reply to black

I do, I even defend them. Emir is the one that started propagating lies me hating all Muslims.


Sure

Back to the subject, a youth not killing does not mean that the "music" and environment is not having a negative effect on him.

Young people are easily influenced and that sh!t shapes their self perceptions, values, goals and ambitions.

You only need to look at WI cricket to see the effects of culture.

 
black 2017-06-14 13:31:48 

In reply to steveo

Back to the subject, a youth not killing does not mean that the "music" and environment is not having a negative effect on him.

Young people are easily influenced and that sh!t shapes their self perceptions, values, goals and ambitions.

You only need to look at WI cricket to see the effects of culture.


That's where parenting comes in, I've listened to some of the most wicked dancehall lyrics of the 80's and 90's, yet I have no interest in hurting anyone.

Good parenting are life long lessons you take to your grave.

 
nitro 2017-06-14 15:27:12 

[b]In reply to

The ones these days are much worse. They make Bounty Killer sounds like the pope.

It may not affect most who listen this garbage called music but it must somehow embolden those with criminal minds.

 
Ewart 2017-06-14 15:47:31 

In reply to SirGarny


I used to own 2 Dodge Avengers - by pure happenstance one was green, and one an orangey red. And we drove them without worry from 1970 - 76, when we left.


But by 2002 the colours thing was in full swing. Your aunt was right. She was only repeating the advice so many of us received from our relatives there...


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nitro 2017-06-14 16:56:08 

In reply to Ewart

Is the current violence politically motivated?

 
Ewart 2017-06-14 17:25:23 

In reply to nitro


I would be very surprised to learn that. The political gunmanship of the seventies was in place to support the defeat of Michael Manley. When that was accomplished in 1980, there was no longer any need and it died down.

There are still some links... but they are insignificant to what is actually happening on the ground. Besides, there is no outside money to support it as there was 40 years ago.


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nitro 2017-06-14 18:18:43 

In reply to Ewart

I guess the violence of the 70s laid the foundation for this gun culture.

 
Ewart 2017-06-14 18:22:08 

In reply to nitro


You could certainly say that. And we have done nothing substantial to fix it... Fixing it will require an all-out effort, and no government in Independence has seen the light.


rolleyes redface


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nitro 2017-06-14 18:38:12 

In reply to Ewart

It is incredible how slow the justice system is in Jamaica.

They have their priorities wrong.
They need to fix that.
I am sure that there are grants available from some international agencies that can be used to bring efficiency to the Justice system.

 
BeatDball 2017-06-15 19:57:38 

In reply to nitro PNP has always been inept when it comes to law enforcement. Same
for PNM of TnT, PNC of G-TEA! The more socialist oriented parties never give it priority - they always react to upsurge in criminality; they are never proactive....

 
Ewart 2017-06-15 21:55:04 

In reply to BeatDball



So... which Jamaican party has been proactive against crime?? rolleyes rolleyes


Which party brought the Gun Court?? rolleyes rolleyes

Which party brought indefinite detention for gun crimes?? rolleyes rolleyes

Why don't you quote how the 1976 state of emergency reduced all crimes by 50% or more??? rolleyes rolleyes


You must be truthful. Don't follow Trumpism and issue fake news while proclaiming its virtue.



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jen 2017-06-15 22:34:57 

How has the caribbean on a whole manage to get this way? It pains me anytime I hear of these ruthless violence and crime in the caribbean.

 
Ewart 2017-06-15 23:02:16 

In reply to nitro

lack of justice is a reason...




No question about that!


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SirGarny 2017-06-16 11:01:38 

In reply to Ewart

But by 2002 the colours thing was in full swing. Your aunt was right. She was only repeating the advice so many of us received from our relatives there


Maybe another reason why she had me change shirts was that she's a staunch Laborite.


wink lol smile

 
Chrissy 2017-06-16 19:11:13 

In reply to SirGarny

You tink it easy!

A St James man who had just left court on gun charges was earlier today shot dead by armed thugs on Howard Cooke Boulevard in downtown Montego Bay.

The police have identified him as Stephen Elvis Malcolm of a Canterbury address.

Malcolm had just appeared before the Gun Court on charges of illegal possession of a firearm and shooting, where his bail was extended.

The police say Malcolm was travelling along Howard Cooke Boulevard in a car with friends when two other vehicles blocked their path.

The occupants of the two vehicles then reportedly alighted with high-powered weapons an opened fire on the car with Malcolm.