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Focus on your own game Jason, let the captaincy go.

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In reply to Emir

Holder, please give that captaincy up

In reply to openning

Moderate success and devastating failure

In reply to Emir

You go fugg yourself

In reply to Emir

Jason is doing the noble thing by taking one for the team. Do you really think the results will be any different if one of the other young bucks were leading this group ??

In reply to NYCGURU

Perhaps, but what I do know is Jason is doing himself and the team no good by remaining captain.

He needs to only worry about himself and not be burden by captaincy. It will make him a better player On the other hand and from the team's perspective, he burdens the team, the test team- when he cannot make it purely on merit.

In reply to openning

I agree

In reply to Emir

What difference will it make to the END GAME

In reply to Emir

Is Jason Holder really that bad? I can remember in the not too distant past his bowling average was 40+ and batting average <25.

Stokes averages 34 with the bat and 35 with the ball.

Watson averaged 35 with the bat and 34 with the ball.

Holder averages 30 with the bat and 36 with the ball.

Dwayne Bravo averaged 31.5 with the bat and 40 with the ball.

While Holder is not as good as either Stokes or Watson, he is one of the few we have going in the right direction. The question of whether he should give up captaincy IMO is purely a case of whether there is a better captain sitting out who the selectors would still consider eligible (i.e. NOT Ramdin). He definitely brings as much to the table as Dwayne Bravo (a former fixture in the team) did.

In reply to NYCGURU

Like there is anyone willing to take on the job. No one have a cemented place in the team yet you would try to burden them with leadership also. He have to take the fall. He agreed to. Just move on.

The reason he probably isn't doing even better is the lack of experience around him also.

In reply to seaegg99

I laugh when peeps post the teams record since he has been captain. I think it's grossly unfair to him, but i suppose such is life. We are at the bottom of the rankings with a bunch of young guys trying to find their way at the highest level. This process requires a ton of patience. Lately we have seen a reluctance to chop and change after bad losses and i am hoping that this continues.

In reply to CricketLuva4

very eloquently said, I have beeing making this argument for some time, but many posters called Jason a bit n pieces cricketer, but dancing Harry a superstar.

In reply to Halliwell

We won't know if we don't try. If we make the same argument for all other players, then Chattergoon will still be playing in the team, for example.

In reply to tc1

Jason will be alright. He's not even 26 yet, phew.

He has ability with both bat and ball, just needs to sort out which aspect to focus prinarily on.

In reply to tc1

Please get the Barbados government to provide additional security to Jason.

Holder is in the top 5 players in the team... his captaincy and team is a work in progress but there are some signs of encouragemnet. i have no idea what the purpose of another captain would be. almost no one is that secure in the team or with their game so its just handing the same issues Holder has onto someone else.

In reply to mittheimp

Can he make the Test and ODI team purely on merit every time for every match? Is his name the first on the list of players on the team?

In reply to Halliwell

This is the most puzzling part of this logic. So let someone else take stick? Then we will start a thread about that person should give up the captaincy?

In reply to Emir

His position in the team is as solid as anyones.

In reply to nick2020

Exactly... but people always shouting for change thinking that change will improve the team... its pretty idiotic.

In reply to mittheimp

For me, Holder stays. None of the other potential allrounders are ahead of him now. He was and is an investment which should be persisted with. His captaincy is often questioned, but he does not have a talented team that Lloyd had and honed to be world beaters. He is still young and can learn and is learning. SL being taken out by ZIM is certainly unexpected and would be painful to any captain of SL.
When Lloyd was given the captaincy of WI cricket, his batting average was about 38.5. When he left if was over 47.

The best example of very young captain making a success of his tenor is Graham Smith. At the age of 23, he was already an established openner for SA. He had experienced players around him. I remember a Jamaican commentator saying that Smith gave him the impression of someone who could say, "do what I say or i'll clobber you into submission" He had that imposing presence on the field. He turned out to be an all time great captain. There is still hope for Holder.

In reply to Emir

Do you have this requirement for every player?

Cricket lover listed the allrounders and you clearly noted that Jason is on par with your superstar Bravo.
if Bravo could have made the test and ODI and was called a superstar with the above stats what do you think?

In reply to tc1

The captain should be the surest pick in the team and Jason is not. I can see him in the ODI set up and as a fringe test player.

In reply to Emir

the captain should be the surest pick in the team... seriously? your captain criteria is choosing the best player? i think you really dont know cricket.