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Congrats Ottis Gibson - New South Africa Coach

 
Walco 2017-08-15 20:08:16 

Ottis will be remaining with England until after the upcoming West Indies Series

Official announcement coming soon ...

 
sudden 2017-08-15 20:18:48 

In reply to Walco

any congratulatory tweets from Gayle, Sarwan or Shiv?

any well wishes from Narps, Dossie, Cleg or Jockstrap?

 
Walco 2017-08-16 06:07:14 

Gibson Set to be Named SA Coach

 
Walco 2017-08-16 06:35:23 

In reply to sudden

No, those persons prefer to convey their congratulations privately.

 
culpepperboy 2017-08-16 08:31:29 

In reply to sudden


any congratulatory tweets from Gayle, Sarwan or Shiv?

any well wishes from Narps, Dossie, Cleg or Jockstrap?


No need. They wrote his testimonials and letters of reference. cool

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 08:43:23 

Congrats Ugly Man. lol lol lol

 
Logic 2017-08-16 08:43:44 

In reply to culpepperboy

No need. They wrote his testimonials and letters of reference.


lol lol lol

 
Logic 2017-08-16 08:46:34 

On a serious note though, this is a big deal for the future of South African cricket. Whatever me may think of Mr. Gibson as a coach we should all wish him success as it would be great medicine for SA cricket and SA society.

 
Logic 2017-08-16 08:46:41 

On a serious note though, this is a big deal for the future of South African cricket. Whatever me may think of Mr. Gibson as a coach we should all wish him success as it would be great medicine for SA cricket and SA society.

 
Drapsey 2017-08-16 08:46:48 

Good going, Coach Gibson.

May you continue to make the West Indian community, as well as the larger Caribbean, proud!

 
Star 2017-08-16 08:47:02 

Have to give credit where credit is due.

Ottis Gibson turned the England bowling attack into a smooth operation.

He is known for identifying all of his opponents weaknesses.

 
Scar 2017-08-16 08:54:46 

In reply to Star
And Bowlers that listen and constantly attack those weaknesses regardless of whether they get hit for 4 now and then.

 
SirGarny 2017-08-16 09:22:48 

In reply to Star

Have to give credit where credit is due.


Indeed...I'm actually quite proud of him...a significant achievement.

Ottis Gibson turned the England bowling attack into a smooth operation.


He was working with the best FC system in the world...

He is known for identifying all of his opponents weaknesses.


England 3 Windies 0

 
doosra 2017-08-16 10:51:38 

leave me out of yall cass cass yeh

Gibson is a great bowling coach but as a head coach (which calls for much more people skills) i am not convinced.

i wish him all the best.

as walco and i talked on another thread, the SA dynamic will be interesting. Faf is already saying something ...

 
Andy99 2017-08-16 10:54:02 

1)Will not last more than 2 years.
2)Not sure of the ranking right now but after 6 months, SA ain't gonna be a top 3 ranked team in ODIs or Tests.

 
sudden 2017-08-16 11:13:41 

In reply to doosra

this man management thesis has always fascinated me. it seems like if a coach wins he is great and his faults are ignored but when he loses it is either his man management skills or his other coaching methods.

Otis seems to get on with the english players but in the WI his man management skills are questioned. very intriguing

 
culpepperboy 2017-08-16 11:22:09 

In reply to sudden

Otis seems to get on with the english players but in the WI his man management skills are questioned. very intriguing


Maybe some "men" are still "boys"

 
doosra 2017-08-16 11:24:58 

In reply to sudden

i am not suggesting he has to pamper big men

but a diverse group of talented big men with their egos and what not will test the best

 
doosra 2017-08-16 11:25:48 

In reply to sudden

there's a difference...he's not the head coach in England. he has a specific job

he doesn't get into all the issues that head coach, captain, management, ecb etc

 
openning 2017-08-16 11:27:48 

In reply to sudden

Otis was a good coach, until he actually worked with Gayle and others, and had to called them out.
It happened to other coaches also.
It was easier for English bowlers to listened and learned, than for know it all West Indians, to sit for a minute.
As for his decision on Shiv, the evidence is there to see, and Otis wanted to develop his squad.
Law. Simmons and any coach, will go with the players, he/she think can win games for them, Shiv was part of a losing squad for decades, and at his age, it was time to move on.

 
sudden 2017-08-16 11:35:59 

In reply to doosra

it seems to be a default position once the coach clashes with players. in professional sports worldwide coaches trade/ sell/ bench players all the time- big name players too.


but in the WI that is a no no. you will be labelled as lacking man management skills. as i said v intriguing

 
doosra 2017-08-16 11:42:46 

In reply to sudden

that too

but do not underestimate how much different the role of a head coach is from a specialist coach e.g. bowling/fielding coach

 
Kay 2017-08-16 11:49:14 

In reply to sudden

it seems like if a coach wins he is great and his faults are ignored but when he loses it is either his man management skills or his other coaching methods.

It seems ... really? That is a logical conclusion man. How can, and why would you find fault with a perennial winner? Losers on the other hand in most cases don't know what they are doing...

 
sudden 2017-08-16 13:03:08 

In reply to Kay

winning is not necessarily as a result of what the coach is doing or everything he is doing. no one is perfect and everyone can improve in some area.

a team can win as a result of a coach inheriting a good well prepared team, the organisation, attitude of players and management, a team with excellent players, leadership of a particular player or group of players, the opposition at the time, suitable conditions, and quite frankly luck, or a combination thereof.

that is why some coaches win with certain teams and lose with others.

Malcolm Marshall lost with WI
Kanhai too
Otis

there numerous examples in the NFL and NBA, in fact every professional sport. Jimmy Johnson won 3-4 Lombardis with Dallas and went to the Dolphins with plenty no.1 college picks and could not win

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 13:26:00 

In reply to sudden... all them sports you mention hold coaches accountable when the team lose ... no? ... is par for the course I would say.

 
sudden 2017-08-16 13:30:42 

In reply to natty_forever

i dont get your point

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 13:31:17 

In reply to sudden... agreeing with you I guess. But with all that said, them still going be the one that get cuss.

big grin

 
sudden 2017-08-16 13:33:18 

welcome back from the dark side then big grin

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 13:33:59 

In reply to sudden...

big grin

 
sudden 2017-08-16 13:36:22 

In reply to natty_forever

i believe the trick is to have a good system in place. it begins and ends with the organisation, the players and the facilities.

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 13:37:23 

In reply to sudden... and the coach allowed to select!!! Especially if my neck is on the block, I waaan pick who I coach. So here is my adjustment, the selectors pick the 30, the coach and captain pick the 13/15.

 
sudden 2017-08-16 13:43:17 

great suggestion mate. i agree. never thought you had it in you big grin

however i think the coach should be in on the initial selection too, if it shouldnt be his responsibility all together

 
Headley 2017-08-16 14:34:12 

In reply to doosra

there's a difference...he's not the head coach in England. he has a specific job

he doesn't get into all the issues that head coach, captain, management, ecb etc



Some things, like gravity, are too obvious. We just take it for granted. big grin

 
sudden 2017-08-16 17:19:21 

yuh does try too hard fella

 
natty_forever 2017-08-16 17:28:14 

In reply to sudden... yes. BTW, I've always stated this. You and the courteous one too busy fighting windmills why you na see this.

big grin

 
sudden 2017-08-16 17:36:53 

In reply to natty_forever

You need to affirm it or have it affirmed for you every so often big grin

 
Star 2017-08-16 20:26:00 

In reply to doosra

but do not underestimate how much different the role of a head coach is from a specialist coach e.g. bowling/fielding coach

Absolutely correct.

There is a big difference.

 
sudden 2017-08-17 07:19:10 

Good God, man, of course there is a difference between a head coach and a specialist coach. talk about stating the obvious.