St Martin and Anguilla

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link Ninetenjack Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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9/11/17 10:10:19 PM 
I am hearing reports that it's total anarchy in Saint Martin, gangs running the streets stealing, robbing, killing. This is on the French side. In Anguilla everything is running out, the Brits simply have not responded.

link Chrissy Joined: Nov 14, 2002
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9/11/17 10:27:08 PM 
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In reply to Ninetenjack

None of di colonial masters give a $hit.

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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9/11/17 10:59:52 PM 
In reply to Chrissy

Gosh..

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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9/11/17 11:01:47 PM 
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We pick up ours..and others..

link mikesiva Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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9/12/17 4:25:01 AM 
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"UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is to fly to the Caribbean later in the wake of the devastating Hurricane Irma. The BBC understands he will visit the British Virgin Islands and Anguilla, both British overseas territories which were badly damaged by the storm. Mr Johnson will see the relief effort at first hand, visit affected communities and meet local governors. His trip follows criticism from people living in the Caribbean and senior MPs that the UK's response was too slow....Anguilla, Turks and Caicos, and the British Virgin Islands (BVI) are among 14 British overseas territories which are all self-governing but the British government is responsible for their defence and security with a duty to protect them from natural disasters. Anguilla suffered extensive damage, and at least one person has been confirmed dead. Widespread damage was caused to the Turks and Caicos Islands, but the full extent of it is still unclear. Similarly, there has been damage caused across the 50 British Virgin Islands, and five people are known to have died."

More here

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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9/12/17 6:16:54 AM 
In reply to Chrissy

Chrissy I get you don't like the setup but clearly that isn't true.

link Ninetenjack Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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9/12/17 7:48:37 AM 
In reply to Chrissy

I agree, governments and politicians for the most part will only respond if it serves their interest.

link Ninetenjack Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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9/12/17 7:50:12 AM 
In reply to mikesiva

And while he is coming on his fact finding mission people are hungry, angry and thirsty...

link camos Joined: May 6, 2003
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9/12/17 8:35:35 AM 
the Brits would respond faster if someone on Anguilla declare independence.

link johndom90 Joined: Apr 7, 2005
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9/12/17 8:42:44 AM 
In reply to camos

So why can't caribbean people get along, instead of degenerating into anarchy and needing
the colonial boss to come help.

Resources are scarce and its survival of the fittest.

link RemainsUnknown Joined: Apr 15, 2005
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9/12/17 9:55:07 AM 
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So why can't caribbean people get along, instead of degenerating into anarchy and needing the colonial boss to come help.
Exactly. Some people bad-mouth those same colonial masters and want then to come their service only when it's convenient for THEM.

It's funny how life works....

link mikesiva Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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9/13/17 4:17:00 AM 
"The UK is facing criticism for its response to Hurricane Irma, but what are its responsibilities to its overseas territories? Britain has 14 overseas territories. They are mostly former colonies and are located all over the world, from Gibraltar and the Falklands to Anguilla, Turks and Caicos, and the British Virgin Islands in the Caribbean. Most are largely self-governing with their own constitutions and governments. But the people who live there are British citizens, the Queen is their head of state and Britain is responsible for their defence and security. As such, the UK government has a clear duty to protect the citizens of these territories from natural disaster."

This is why the UK is facing criticism

The arrangement between Britain and its colonies is that the mother country is responsible for protecting its colonies from natural disasters. The Antiguan government is responsible for Barbuda. However, while the Antiguan government responded pro-actively, by evacuating Barbuda when Jose was looming, the UK were nowhere to be seen.

You might argue that colonies like Anguilla should've realised this, and forged its own way. That's another argument to be raised with Anguillans, who chose to stay with the UK, instead of becoming independent with St Kitts and Nevis.

link DonD Joined: Nov 29, 2002
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9/13/17 8:36:13 AM 
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Didn't Anguilla attempt a "Rhodesian" style UDI - unilateral declaration of independence- from Britain and St. Kitts in 1966 or 1967? I recall PM Harold Wilson sending a massive war ship to the island to quell the rebellion.The incident was dubbed "The mouse that roared." Oddly enough, Harold Wilson did nothing when Ian Smith declared Rhodesia's UDI in 1965.

link Ewart Joined: Mar 5, 2005
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9/13/17 10:30:55 AM 
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Welcome back, Don D. big grin big grin


................and teach them!


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link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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9/13/17 1:00:21 PM 
A Trini Lady and grandson died in St.Maarten . RIP to all..Good luck to St.Maarten and all affected Islands/Countries ...sad

link JayMor Joined: Dec 15, 2002
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9/13/17 1:47:41 PM 
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Good to see you, Don!

I learned the word "paratroopers" at that time when such were deployed in Anguilla. As a seller of Abeng and a schoolboy supporter of the Hart boys, I was well vex, yuh hear? If my memory serves me right, they found one deggeh-deggeh illegal gun. Yes, the comparison with Ian Smith and Rhodesia's UDI was stark.

--Æ.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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9/13/17 9:35:19 PM 
The rumours in the aftermath of a disaster are themselves disasters...in Cayman post Ivan the kind of shit people were calling me and asking me about is astounding...

I have some faith in the instinctive way human beings commune when living comforts are removed..

witnessed it too many times,

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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9/13/17 10:17:52 PM 
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Most of the Anguillians who live , or have relatives in Anguilla live on St. Maarten , which is the Dutch side
of the Island .

However Anguillians travelling from
Anguilla to St. Maarten , land on the French side , and then are either picked up by a Relative or Friend , or
take the Bus or Taxi to get to the
Dutch Side .

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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9/13/17 10:35:23 PM 
In reply to DonD

At one time St. Kitts ; Nevis & Anguilla had the same Government , the
same Postage Stamp .

A prominent Anguillian whose surname is WEBSTER , decided that Anguilla should separate from the Union , England agreed with Webster ; and so
St. Kitts Nevis came into being .

In Anguilla & Monserrat their Final Court is the Privy Council . So I believe that they both have Governors
.

link Ninetenjack Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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9/14/17 1:55:01 PM 
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Yes I know this the ferry is from Margot, I have done this trip myself.

link RemainsUnknown Joined: Apr 15, 2005
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9/14/17 4:05:13 PM 
In reply to Ninetenjack
In Anguilla everything is running out, the Brits simply have not responded.


In reply to Chrissy
None of di colonial masters give a $hit.



In London, Prime Minister Theresa May told Parliament an additional 25 million pounds ($33 million) would be spent on recovery efforts as Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson oversaw early aid efforts in Anguilla. Link Text

link Ninetenjack Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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9/14/17 4:48:17 PM 
In reply to RemainsUnknown

Right now I think I trust the French more than the Brits. Hopefully things will improve. Look how quickly Antigua evacuated Barbuda, and these first world nations for days after doing nothing.

link Norm Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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9/15/17 3:21:05 AM 
In reply to DonD
Harold Wilson did nothing when Ian Smith declared Rhodesia's UDI in 1965.

Smith's action provided the Brits with a convenient excuse to do nothing against apartheid in Rhodesia.

Glad to see you are still active!

link mikesiva Joined: Jan 12, 2007
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9/15/17 3:32:44 AM 
In reply to DonD

Quite right!
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The British government is finally responding. The problem is that they took a long time to do so. The Antigua and Barbuda government immediately restored law and order. In st Martin and the British Virgin Islands there was looting and prison breaks before the colonial masters finally stepped in a few days later.

link RemainsUnknown Joined: Apr 15, 2005
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9/15/17 10:32:38 AM 
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Quite right!
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The British government is finally responding. The problem is that they took a long time to do so. The Antigua and Barbuda government immediately restored law and order. In st Martin and the British Virgin Islands there was looting and prison breaks before the colonial masters finally stepped in a few days later.


The UK, France, and the Netherlands have stepped up relief efforts, sending thousands of troops and promising aid packages after criticism they responded too slowly.
The UK government has pledged £57 million ($75 million) in aid. Prime Minister Theresa May announced on Wednesday that the UK would deploy an additional 200 personnel and 60 police officers on top of 40 tons of aid and 1,000 military personnel already sent to the region.

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The UK had a naval vessel, Mounts Bay, preloaded with disaster relief supplies in the Caribbean since July, and within a couple of days had restored electricity at Anguilla's hospital and cleared the airport runway.
French President Emmanuel Macron said his government had mounted one of the biggest airlifts since World War II. Some 85,000 tons of food and 1 million liters of water have been deployed to St. Martin and St. Barthelemy.

[b]US President Donald Trump approved and signed a disaster declaration for the US Virgin Islands, unlocking $223 million in emergency federal funding. Trump also declared a major disaster in Puerto Rico, ordering federal aid to supplement local recovery efforts.
On Wednesday, Cuba received 7.3 tons of humanitarian aid, including mattresses, water, canned food and other vital supplies, from the Venezuelan government, according to the state news agency.[/b]

Security

Looting has broken out on some islands. France's Overseas Minister Annick Girardin said she saw people stealing televisions from shops. Other residents have described fights at grocery stores and gas lines.
But St. Martin residents interviewed by CNN affiliate BFMTV said that French police and soldiers have had little presence on the ground, and reported widespread looting.

But tensions are still high. On Tortola, in the British Virgin Islands, one resident told CNN that he was waiting at a gas station when a man on a scooter cut the line of cars and pulled out a gun.

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