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black 2017-09-14 12:15:34 

Is it worth living on these small Islands?

Just the mere size of these tiny Island, means that the whole Island is going to be wiped out, every time they take a hit. They don't have a large tax base, that means, they remain dependent on other Countries for help.

I'm not saying, these Islands should be uninhabited, what I'm saying is, are they prepared to accept the risk, without being dependent on others for help?

 
Priapus 2017-09-14 12:39:04 

In reply to black

They don't have a large tax base, that means, they remain dependent on other Countries for help.


And what about the big(ger) dots? They are not dependent on other countries for help? Or are you saying that they don't need help from other countries?

 
pelon 2017-09-14 12:46:36 

In reply to black

Is it worth living on these small Islands?


As opposed to Huston, or New Orleans or Miami, or Down town Manhattan?

Those Islands are Paradise... the real small islands... The privilege to call them home is for the strong....

 
Priapus 2017-09-14 12:47:52 

In reply to pelon

Or Texas. big grin

 
black 2017-09-14 12:51:32 

In reply to pelon


As opposed to Huston, or New Orleans or Miami, or Down town Manhattan?


That's my point, all of America did not get hit, Houston and Florida are getting help from the rest of the Country. When a tiny Island gets hit, all of it gets hit.

 
nitro 2017-09-14 13:00:58 

In reply to black

I was taken to task by Pelon for this.

These places are not even on a map of the Caribbean much less a global map.

 
Priapus 2017-09-14 13:09:42 

In reply to nitro

These places are not even on a map of the Caribbean much less a global map.


Yeah. Like Singapore.

 
nitro 2017-09-14 13:12:16 

In reply to Priapus

Had no idea Singapore was in the Caribbean.

 
pelon 2017-09-14 13:12:53 

In reply to nitro & black

These places are not even on a map of the Caribbean much less a global map.


First of all, find me a map that does not have the islands on them

Second of all, have any of the two of you even been to these islands? I have, and I say so not to boast, but to make the point that you can't UNDERSTAND something until you have a CONTEXT.

Those islands are absolute paradise. I have posted here 100s of times of my love for Mayreau, a dot of an Island I put my money on, and plan to retire to. I have sailed up and down the Grenadies (using maps dear Nitro, yes maps) up and down the BVI, and I can tell you first hand they are paradise on earth.

The first thing is that the PEOPLE are different. Even the wealthy ones. They come to have a disconnection from the OVERT displays of wealth that is actually the IRONY of why billionaires go to these dots. No one gives a fuck if you have 10 bentleys or a bicycle on these "island dots"

Granted, all of this sounds like madness if you can't contextualize BASIC LIVING = GOOD LIVING

AGAIN: The small dot islands are paradise, and if you can't fathom why someone would put up with the elements to experience this life: then stay in your big city illusion. We are brainwashed against our own... just as the plan wants... the more of you that FLEE... the easier for others to claim...

Lastly: Nitro, go get a real map. Prove to pelon the skunt that these islands are not on them... you just did not know what you are looking at... but they are on any "real map"

 
ray 2017-09-14 13:16:13 

If sea levels will rise, wouldn't these islands eventually disappear?

 
ray 2017-09-14 13:17:06 

In reply to pelon

I agree that they are absolutely beautiful...I have visited a few of them...if I had the money, I'll buy a second home on one ah them

 
pelon 2017-09-14 13:20:54 

I'm flabbergasted to see how disconnected some of you are from the beauty of what we have all along... and how ready you are to question its worth.

I am unapologetic about my love and praise for every dot small or large in the Caribbean.... and the people therein.

 
ray 2017-09-14 13:22:53 

In reply to pelon

maybe they have not visited these places lol...or they too wrapped up in capitalism lol

 
Priapus 2017-09-14 13:24:39 

In reply to nitro

much less a global map.


Had no idea Singapore isn't part of the globe.

 
pelon 2017-09-14 13:28:13 

In reply to ray

if I had the money, I'll buy a second home on one ah them

You prove the point. Once you experience it... it is hard to ever forget or not desire....

too wrapped up in capitalism


let's be clear, these men provide for their family and work hard as fcuk to do so. I respect them for that. Some, simply don't have the option in the islands to do so and USA makes that goal possible. I celebrate that too...

But when they (some) get so caught up that they value the American hustle above the intrinsic value of our Islands and culture: that's where I take departure.

To not know where the Islands of the Caribbean are, or to diminish their value (in any way) is always going to scrawl muh skin... smile

 
Priapus 2017-09-14 13:29:02 

In reply to pelon

Go easy on nitro. He/she lives in the US of A. They don't know much geography beyond their resident State borders. big grin

 
nickoutr 2017-09-14 13:29:09 

allyuh feel free to go live in the Essequibo dots and plant cassava

 
black 2017-09-14 13:34:24 

In reply to pelon

I'm flabbergasted to see how disconnected some of you are from the beauty of what we have all along... and how ready you are to question its worth.

I am unapologetic about my love and praise for every dot small or large in the Caribbean.... and the people therein.


No one is questioning the beauty of these Islands, that is indisputable. I am talking about risk assessment and suitability.

Tortola is the smallest Island I've been to.

 
pelon 2017-09-14 13:38:43 

In reply to black

I am talkingabout risk assessment and suitability


Again: how many times has entire Counties been wiped out in Florida, NOLA, Huston, Galvaston, NJ....

Risk? The 2 years it will take to rebuild on Barbuda... is 1000 times more fulfilling than the dire hopelessness of poor Black communities in the areas I mentioned.


Looka trouble start: To turn up at a neighbor and ask for salt and a cup of rice without judgement is when you have made it.... THAT is living good, the pelon version.

 
nitro 2017-09-14 13:40:23 

In reply to pelon

Ok bro. I will look at a map online today.

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-14 14:02:20 

In reply to pelon

Looka trouble start: To turn up at a neighbor and ask for salt and a cup of rice without judgement is when you have made it.... THAT is living good, the pelon version.
Why then, when adversity hits them, they are looting, robbing, knifing, & gunning down their own and those who are "more fortunate?"

Where is that "good living spirit" when ALL need it the MOST?

 
Tryangle 2017-09-14 14:17:01 

In reply to black

Living in a small country has its risks, but so does living in a large one. Nothing's guaranteed. Volcano here, earthquake there, hurricane elsewhere.

I live in Bermuda, as much of a dot as any. I've also been to Grand Cayman, which is not just a dot but a flaaaaaat dot.

And when people talk about sea level rises, the time may come where people literally are going to have to migrate to other countries (I think Maldives is the best example). But which places are going to willingly accept these people?

 
pelon 2017-09-14 14:19:54 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

Why then, when adversity hits them, they are looting, robbing, knifing, & gunning down their own and those who are "more fortunate?"
Can you kindly name the small "dot island" that has happened? I think you will find that behaviour in the mighty USA not Tortola or Mayreau or Barbuda or Anegada or ....

Man really... wunna special.

 
black 2017-09-14 15:38:43 

In reply to pelon

Any truth to this?

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-14 15:59:31 

In reply to pelon

Can you kindly name the small "dot island" that has happened?
St. Martin.... have you read the stories coming out of the French & Dutch sides or are they ALL false?

I know you're a guy who thinks things through and don't get caught up in emotions [quickly] so this was surprising....
Man really... wunna special.

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-14 16:00:21 

In reply to black

Any truth to this?
Case in point.....

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-14 16:15:49 

The UK, France, and the Netherlands have stepped up relief efforts, sending thousands of troops and promising aid packages after criticism they responded too slowly.
The UK government has pledged £57 million ($75 million) in aid. Prime Minister Theresa May announced on Wednesday that the UK would deploy an additional 200 personnel and 60 police officers on top of 40 tons of aid and 1,000 military personnel already sent to the region.

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The UK had a naval vessel, Mounts Bay, preloaded with disaster relief supplies in the Caribbean since July, and within a couple of days had restored electricity at Anguilla's hospital and cleared the airport runway.
French President Emmanuel Macron said his government had mounted one of the biggest airlifts since World War II. Some 85,000 tons of food and 1 million liters of water have been deployed to St. Martin and St. Barthelemy.

[b]US President Donald Trump approved and signed a disaster declaration for the US Virgin Islands, unlocking $223 million in emergency federal funding. Trump also declared a major disaster in Puerto Rico, ordering federal aid to supplement local recovery efforts.
On Wednesday, Cuba received 7.3 tons of humanitarian aid, including mattresses, water, canned food and other vital supplies, from the Venezuelan government, according to the state news agency.[/b]

Security

Looting has broken out on some islands. France's Overseas Minister Annick Girardin said she saw people stealing televisions from shops. Other residents have described fights at grocery stores and gas lines.
But St. Martin residents interviewed by CNN affiliate BFMTV said that French police and soldiers have had little presence on the ground, and reported widespread looting.

But tensions are still high. On Tortola, in the British Virgin Islands, one resident told CNN that he was waiting at a gas station when a man on a scooter cut the line of cars and pulled out a gun.

 
jen 2017-09-14 16:28:38 

I grew up on a dot, 7 square miles island of Bequia. You all think I trading that island for any big city life? You all gotta be joking.

When tourist touch down on Bequia, they does don't want leave. You all see that island of Mayreau that Pelon talking about, it even smaller than Bequia, but lo and behold, I have one of the most magnificent beach you will ever lay eyes on. Journey a little more from there, you'll meet up a batch of 5 islands known as the "Tobago Cays". Sailors say its the best sailing waters in the Caribbean.

Man, go in Antigua, St. Lucia, Anguilla, BVI, USVI, is pretty beaches galore. Proud to be a dot man and will always be one. Them islands is paradise on earth.

And lastly, every country has it's own plague when it comes to disaster. We are not at risk for Tornado. Hurricane/Flooding is our main threats. We've survived magnitude 7.1 earthquakes with no flattened houses, and 2007 was the last heavy Earthquake I ever felt. In all my 27 years, its the only one we ever felt that heavy. Despite what you see on the news, Caribbean constructed wall houses are stronger to those drywalls houses that are a norm in USA. It's just practically impossible for a roof to survive 185 MPH winds gusts. Building roofs to withstand that would mean a lot more money to send to construct the houses.

 
jen 2017-09-14 16:35:13 

I've been to Grenada 3 times already, it's so peaceful and relaxing. A real gem of the southern Caribbean. Anyone who visit them islands yah and complain is ungrateful people.
lol lol

You know people dream of travelling foreign world. My dream is to touch down on all the caribbean islands. Island life is extremely peaceful and soothing to the mind.

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-14 17:14:51 

Jen --

I don't think anyone (particularly, Black) is disputing what a rewarding, peaceful, soothing, and great life it is on the islands, esp. when there is no disaster looming on the horizon or already happened.

It's about the advantages and disadvantages, mainly. Do the pros outweigh the cons... or something like that.

Black... come back, banna. Explain, again. lol

 
black 2017-09-14 17:32:20 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

Exactly.

 
POINT 2017-09-14 17:56:02 

In reply to black

My take is that You are not making much sense , FYI The Florida Keys are
a part of Florida , People can choose to live where they want .

I believe however that the Building Codes must be able to take the force
of some Hurricanes . All windows should have Hurricane Shutters , Yes
that could be costly , but apart from saving Lives ; they can minimize the
Damage from Hurricanes .

Hurricane Shutters in the long run
will more than pay for themselves .
They therefore in my opinion should be mandatory . Along with Enforcement that has Teeth .

It would be nice if Governments in the Region require Insurance Companies to give Home Owners who comply with building Hurricane proof Structures & have Hurricane Shutters a discount on their Insurance .

Wooden Structures should over time become obsolete especially since they
are prone to being destroyed by Hurricanes .

WE ALL must consider the fact that
Global Warming aint a Hoax ; and it is a fact that it spawns very powerful Hurricanes . This in my opinion necessitates Governments in the Region to beef up their Building Codes & have strict adherence to those Codes .

 
black 2017-09-14 18:21:26 

In reply to POINT

My take is that You are not making much sense , FYI The Florida Keys are
a part of Florida , People can choose to live where they want .


I agree, but they should also suffer the consequences.

It would be nice if Governments in the Region require Insurance Companies to give Home Owners who comply with building Hurricane proof Structures & have Hurricane Shutters a discount on their Insurance .


Government cannot require insurance companies to do anything. It is not cost effective to cover people in flood zones.

 
POINT 2017-09-14 18:23:14 

In reply to pelon

Thanks for coming to the Defense of the Grenadines . My Grandparents were
from Union Island; and I spent many vacations in Union Island .

Sometimes my father would come down from the mainland and hire a Boat , and My Brother & I ; and my father would go to Carriacou in these small
Boats with the Boom made from Bamboo .
We always got instructions before setting off for Carriacou . WE were warned to Duck when the Owner of the Boat said " Head Bout " , because the Boom was going to swing around , and
if anyone did not duck , they would be swept Overboard .

 
Chrissy 2017-09-14 19:57:13 

In reply to pelon

They are not special - not by any means. They have no idea what is beautiful or peaceful

 
black 2017-09-14 20:04:54 

In reply to Chrissy


Alyuh keep arguing about beautiful and peaceful, who is disputing that?

You are always talking about anti-colonial this and that but the first thing out of your mouth is, where are the Brits?

 
nick2020 2017-09-14 20:36:25 

In reply to pelon

Why on Earth are you taking on black? Just smile and wave.

 
black 2017-09-14 20:50:32 

In reply to nick2020

Why are you on here?

 
black 2017-09-14 21:09:19 

In reply to POINT and pelon

By the way, I'm not defending the people of Houston and the Keys, I'm just making a point that the help is there for them to recover. Houston is nothing but a big flood zone.

 
jen 2017-09-14 21:35:54 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

I'm 27, and in my lifetime, its been worth it. We've been blessed in vincy not to have had any strong hurricanes or taking direct hits. Torrential rain has been the main destroyer for us since Hurricane Tomaz passed in 2010. People ain't taking care of the environment, St. Vincent was always a place that rained a lot, but them kinda flooding gone to a next level since this last decade (2010) started.

We felt Ivan in 2004, but mostly tropical storm winds. Tomaz in 2010 mainly hit the northern part of the islands. Where I was staying in the southern part, there was hardly any wind.

 
bravos 2017-09-14 23:02:34 

Many of Montserrat's population was absorbed by other countries but many have also relocated to the safer side,the point is black,Islanders will stay on their island even if there's an active volcano and one square foot of land,it's worth it.

The closest thing to modern paradise are the Caribbean islands,every single dot.

Also Maldives is a whole different type of geology,I think they should be very concerned.

 
mikesiva 2017-09-15 01:58:49 

In reply to jen

After my father retired my parents lived on Bequia at the Whaleboner for several years and my mother considers those years as some of the best of her life. She now lives with me in London and she pines for Bequia almost every day.


So yes for her the pros outweigh the cons.

 
bravos 2017-09-15 09:31:22 

And yes by all means the colonials should help,ah mean yuh done sex meh out over and over and even pass meh arong and yuh cyar help wit de doctor bill?? Look man good sex cost $$$$$!!!!

 
RemainsUnknown 2017-09-15 09:46:10 

In reply to jen, bravos, mikesiva,

I hear you guys, loud and clear.

I suppose if I was born in a Caribbean Island, I too, would not want to leave... no matter what. That's just how it is.

I have vacationed in many a Caribbean Islands, & I must say... I enjoy them ALL to the max. The simple life is the ULTIMATE life for me.

People always tell me I have to go Maldives, Bora-Bora, Seychelles,.... where ever, you name it..... that they are 10X the paradise the Caribbean is.

But when I reflect on what I have experienced in the Caribbean... it was simply enough. I didn't once felt like I wanted more. Matter of fact, the Caribbean was perhaps almost too good to be true... it was way more than enough.

Nonetheless, no matter where we all choose to live... we perhaps have to face some type of disaster, natural or otherwise... at some point in time.

THAT'S JUST LIFE.... enjoy it while you can!

PS. Mourning a co-worker's death this week. The guy was only 42 years old and worked 20 years for this company. He had major health complications. sad sad sad sad

 
Tryangle 2017-09-15 10:05:15 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

Condolences to you and your co-worker's loved ones. 42. Man.

Nonetheless, no matter where we all choose to live... we perhaps have to face some type of disaster, natural or otherwise... at some point in time


I feel you. Wherever you live, there will likely come a challenge of that magnitude, some moreso than others (for example imagine growing up in a literal warzone? Good lord).

 
Ewart 2017-09-15 10:17:10 

In reply to jen

When tourist touch down on Bequia, they does don't want leave.



big grin big grin big grin big grin


Love it! Beautiful turn of phrase only Caribbean peeps can appreciate.


By the way, for a man of only 27 you consistently make a lot of sense. Thanks.


//

 
jen 2017-09-15 10:43:00 

In reply to RemainsUnknown

People always tell me I have to go Maldives, Bora-Bora, Seychelles,.... where ever, you name it..... that they are 10X the paradise the Caribbean is.

But when I reflect on what I have experienced in the Caribbean... it was simply enough. I didn't once felt like I wanted more. Matter of fact, the Caribbean was perhaps almost too good to be true... it was way more than enough.


I'm a firm believer that too each his own. While I'm a caribbean boy and love it bad, from seeing footage of the islands off asia (maldives), off Australia/NZ like french polynesia (bora bora, tahiti etc), they look awesome and I can see why someone will make that statement. Too me, its a matter of if you don't experience it, you can't say otherwise which is better.

I think one of the things that makes the caribbean enjoyable is the people. A west indian.... is just that, a west indian!! Our sense of humor, never in a rush nature does catch the people them. Is just like we cricket team, no one else in international cricket bring as much flair and fun to cricket like we do.

Nonetheless, no matter where we all choose to live... we perhaps have to face some type of disaster, natural or otherwise... at some point in time.


Correct bro. Some parts of USA don't get Hurricane, but they'll get tormented by Tornado. We get Hurricane, not Tornado (on land that is lol). Asia, NZ does get rock a lot by earthquakes. When yo check the thing, Earthquakes & Tsunami will account for more casualty than a Hurricane per island. Vincy Volcano naw erupt since 1979 - she behaving she self. Last time it erupted, there was no casualties. And legend has it, the next year, crops were reaped in abundance. You can drop anything in yo backyard in St. Vincent and it will grow. Volcano ha the soil fertile no rass!!

 
jen 2017-09-15 10:44:49 

In reply to Ewart

thanks man, and ah like yo signature. You have background in coding? lol - fello coders will get the drift.

 
pelon 2017-09-15 11:00:41 

In reply to jen

I remember the last time I was in Bequia and gave you a shout, but at that time you were on the mainland. I walked from Lower Bay rd. to Mount Pleasant Rd. after an entire day under a tree eating breadfruit and fish... the island is so beautiful. Admittedly, Mayreau is de apple of my eye... but had many rum soaked nights in and around Bequia for years.

It's been at least 20 years straight the family has docked in Bequia and if health provides... 20+ more

Lucky you: You live on a blessed spot on earth.

/* smile */

 
POINT 2017-09-15 11:05:11 

In reply to mikesiva

Bequia , about an hour or less distance from mainland St. Vincent ,is
like a world away from St. Vincent via
Boat .

I hope that one day You & your Mum , can go there , and she could rekindle
her happy memories of Bequia .

 
Prako 2017-09-22 09:22:44 

In reply to black


Is it worth living on these small Islands?

Just the mere size of these tiny Island, means that the whole Island is going to be wiped out, every time they take a hit. They don't have a large tax base, that means, they remain dependent on other Countries for help.

I'm not saying, these Islands should be uninhabited, what I'm saying is, are they prepared to accept the risk, without being dependent on others for help?


The dregs of American society live in Florida, Lousiana and Texas. Nobody wants to live in those states - if they had the opportunity to leave they would. Those states always have weather patterns that are a disaster.

In the aforementioned islands, people actually want to live there. That love is something money cannot buy.

 
black 2017-09-22 10:33:33 

In reply to Prako

If global warming is happening as some are suggesting, aren't some of these Islands going to become unlivable?

 
Tryangle 2017-09-22 10:58:05 

In reply to black

aren't some of these Islands going to become unlivable?


Possibly - you've already heard about serious concerns for Maldives.

Other low-lying countries include Grand Cayman. Bermuda where I live is hilly, but our highest point is less than 250 feet above sea level.

Freaking MANHATTAN is a low-lying island.

 
problemjay 2017-09-22 14:24:52 

Point that is escaping these knuckleheads in here is the fact that these islands are so small that when crisis hurricanes arrive there is no escape as opposed to when hurricanes hit parts of Florida and Texas where the people over there can escape to other parts of their state or country. How is that hard to understand? Man getting wrapped up in conversation about island life is beautiful smh lol

 
Tryangle 2017-09-22 14:31:25 

In reply to problemjay

For real. People in the States have that option to get out of there. Car, train, bus, whatever. It's a no-brainer if I lived stateside. Living on an island, just gotta hunker down. Why people in the US wanna stay there is just baffling. Especially if you live in the Keys.

 
POINT 2017-09-22 14:37:38 

In reply to nitro

Once again your Ignorance is on view
in this Forum . In the Pacific there are also small Islands that suffer from Typhoons .

My Parents & Grandparents & Great Grandparents lived in SVG , So please stop talking B.S .

 
powen001 2017-09-22 19:31:07 

In reply to black

How OLD is the Caribbean Black?

 
powen001 2017-09-22 19:34:05 

In reply to pelon

First of all, find me a map that does not have the islands on them

Second of all, have any of the two of you even been to these islands? I have, and I say so not to boast, but to make the point that you can't UNDERSTAND something until you have a CONTEXT.

Those islands are absolute paradise. I have posted here 100s of times of my love for Mayreau, a dot of an Island I put my money on, and plan to retire to. I have sailed up and down the Grenadies (using maps dear Nitro, yes maps) up and down the BVI, and I can tell you first hand they are paradise on earth.

The first thing is that the PEOPLE are different. Even the wealthy ones. They come to have a disconnection from the OVERT displays of wealth that is actually the IRONY of why billionaires go to these dots. No one gives a fuck if you have 10 bentleys or a bicycle on these "island dots"

Granted, all of this sounds like madness if you can't contextualize BASIC LIVING = GOOD LIVING

AGAIN: The small dot islands are paradise, and if you can't fathom why someone would put up with the elements to experience this life: then stay in your big city illusion. We are brainwashed against our own... just as the plan wants... the more of you that FLEE... the easier for others to claim...

Lastly: Nitro, go get a real map. Prove to pelon the skunt that these islands are not on them... you just did not know what you are looking at... but they are on any "real map"


Had to repost...

 
black 2017-09-22 20:02:23 

In reply to powen001

How OLD is the Caribbean Black?


It's as old as the African Slave trade, if you are talking about culture/people, excluding indigenous people.

What is your point?

 
Acid 2017-09-23 00:31:28 

In reply to black

If global warming is happening as some are suggesting, aren't some of these Islands going to become unlivable?


That is possibly true

Holland is below sea level but they have made it habitable