Is it worth living on these small Islands?
Just the mere size of these tiny Island, means that the whole Island is going to be wiped out, every time they take a hit. They don't have a large tax base, that means, they remain dependent on other Countries for help.
I'm not saying, these Islands should be uninhabited, what I'm saying is, are they prepared to accept the risk, without being dependent on others for help?
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In reply to black
And what about the big(ger) dots? They are not dependent on other countries for help? Or are you saying that they don't need help from other countries?
In reply to black
As opposed to Huston, or New Orleans or Miami, or Down town Manhattan?
Those Islands are Paradise... the real small islands... The privilege to call them home is for the strong....
In reply to pelon
Or Texas.
In reply to pelon
As opposed to Huston, or New Orleans or Miami, or Down town Manhattan?
That's my point, all of America did not get hit, Houston and Florida are getting help from the rest of the Country. When a tiny Island gets hit, all of it gets hit.
In reply to black
I was taken to task by Pelon for this.
These places are not even on a map of the Caribbean much less a global map.
In reply to nitro
Yeah. Like Singapore.
In reply to Priapus
Had no idea Singapore was in the Caribbean.
In reply to nitro & black
First of all, find me a map that does not have the islands on them
Second of all, have any of the two of you even been to these islands? I have, and I say so not to boast, but to make the point that you can't UNDERSTAND something until you have a CONTEXT.
Those islands are absolute paradise. I have posted here 100s of times of my love for Mayreau, a dot of an Island I put my money on, and plan to retire to. I have sailed up and down the Grenadies (using maps dear Nitro, yes maps) up and down the BVI, and I can tell you first hand they are paradise on earth.
The first thing is that the PEOPLE are different. Even the wealthy ones. They come to have a disconnection from the OVERT displays of wealth that is actually the IRONY of why billionaires go to these dots. No one gives a fuck if you have 10 bentleys or a bicycle on these "island dots"
Granted, all of this sounds like madness if you can't contextualize BASIC LIVING = GOOD LIVING
AGAIN: The small dot islands are paradise, and if you can't fathom why someone would put up with the elements to experience this life: then stay in your big city illusion. We are brainwashed against our own... just as the plan wants... the more of you that FLEE... the easier for others to claim...
Lastly: Nitro, go get a real map. Prove to pelon the skunt that these islands are not on them... you just did not know what you are looking at... but they are on any "real map"
If sea levels will rise, wouldn't these islands eventually disappear?
In reply to pelon
I agree that they are absolutely beautiful...I have visited a few of them...if I had the money, I'll buy a second home on one ah them
I'm flabbergasted to see how disconnected some of you are from the beauty of what we have all along... and how ready you are to question its worth.
I am unapologetic about my love and praise for every dot small or large in the Caribbean.... and the people therein.
In reply to pelon
maybe they have not visited these places ...or they too wrapped up in capitalism
In reply to nitro
Had no idea Singapore isn't part of the globe.
In reply to ray
You prove the point. Once you experience it... it is hard to ever forget or not desire....
let's be clear, these men provide for their family and work hard as fcuk to do so. I respect them for that. Some, simply don't have the option in the islands to do so and USA makes that goal possible. I celebrate that too...
But when they (some) get so caught up that they value the American hustle above the intrinsic value of our Islands and culture: that's where I take departure.
To not know where the Islands of the Caribbean are, or to diminish their value (in any way) is always going to scrawl muh skin...
In reply to pelon
Go easy on nitro. He/she lives in the US of A. They don't know much geography beyond their resident State borders.
allyuh feel free to go live in the Essequibo dots and plant cassava
In reply to pelon
I am unapologetic about my love and praise for every dot small or large in the Caribbean.... and the people therein.
No one is questioning the beauty of these Islands, that is indisputable. I am talking about risk assessment and suitability.
Tortola is the smallest Island I've been to.
In reply to black
Again: how many times has entire Counties been wiped out in Florida, NOLA, Huston, Galvaston, NJ....
Risk? The 2 years it will take to rebuild on Barbuda... is 1000 times more fulfilling than the dire hopelessness of poor Black communities in the areas I mentioned.
Looka trouble start: To turn up at a neighbor and ask for salt and a cup of rice without judgement is when you have made it.... THAT is living good, the pelon version.
In reply to pelon
Ok bro. I will look at a map online today.
In reply to pelon
Where is that "good living spirit" when ALL need it the MOST?
In reply to black
Living in a small country has its risks, but so does living in a large one. Nothing's guaranteed. Volcano here, earthquake there, hurricane elsewhere.
I live in Bermuda, as much of a dot as any. I've also been to Grand Cayman, which is not just a dot but a flaaaaaat dot.
And when people talk about sea level rises, the time may come where people literally are going to have to migrate to other countries (I think Maldives is the best example). But which places are going to willingly accept these people?
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Man really... wunna special.
In reply to pelon
Any truth to this?
In reply to pelon
I know you're a guy who thinks things through and don't get caught up in emotions [quickly] so this was surprising....
In reply to black
The UK government has pledged £57 million ($75 million) in aid. Prime Minister Theresa May announced on Wednesday that the UK would deploy an additional 200 personnel and 60 police officers on top of 40 tons of aid and 1,000 military personnel already sent to the region.
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The UK had a naval vessel, Mounts Bay, preloaded with disaster relief supplies in the Caribbean since July, and within a couple of days had restored electricity at Anguilla's hospital and cleared the airport runway.
French President Emmanuel Macron said his government had mounted one of the biggest airlifts since World War II. Some 85,000 tons of food and 1 million liters of water have been deployed to St. Martin and St. Barthelemy.
[b]US President Donald Trump approved and signed a disaster declaration for the US Virgin Islands, unlocking $223 million in emergency federal funding. Trump also declared a major disaster in Puerto Rico, ordering federal aid to supplement local recovery efforts.
On Wednesday, Cuba received 7.3 tons of humanitarian aid, including mattresses, water, canned food and other vital supplies, from the Venezuelan government, according to the state news agency.[/b]
Security
Looting has broken out on some islands. France's Overseas Minister Annick Girardin said she saw people stealing televisions from shops. Other residents have described fights at grocery stores and gas lines.
But St. Martin residents interviewed by CNN affiliate BFMTV said that French police and soldiers have had little presence on the ground, and reported widespread looting.
But tensions are still high. On Tortola, in the British Virgin Islands, one resident told CNN that he was waiting at a gas station when a man on a scooter cut the line of cars and pulled out a gun.
I grew up on a dot, 7 square miles island of Bequia. You all think I trading that island for any big city life? You all gotta be joking.
When tourist touch down on Bequia, they does don't want leave. You all see that island of Mayreau that Pelon talking about, it even smaller than Bequia, but lo and behold, I have one of the most magnificent beach you will ever lay eyes on. Journey a little more from there, you'll meet up a batch of 5 islands known as the "Tobago Cays". Sailors say its the best sailing waters in the Caribbean.
Man, go in Antigua, St. Lucia, Anguilla, BVI, USVI, is pretty beaches galore. Proud to be a dot man and will always be one. Them islands is paradise on earth.
And lastly, every country has it's own plague when it comes to disaster. We are not at risk for Tornado. Hurricane/Flooding is our main threats. We've survived magnitude 7.1 earthquakes with no flattened houses, and 2007 was the last heavy Earthquake I ever felt. In all my 27 years, its the only one we ever felt that heavy. Despite what you see on the news, Caribbean constructed wall houses are stronger to those drywalls houses that are a norm in USA. It's just practically impossible for a roof to survive 185 MPH winds gusts. Building roofs to withstand that would mean a lot more money to send to construct the houses.
I've been to Grenada 3 times already, it's so peaceful and relaxing. A real gem of the southern Caribbean. Anyone who visit them islands yah and complain is ungrateful people.
You know people dream of travelling foreign world. My dream is to touch down on all the caribbean islands. Island life is extremely peaceful and soothing to the mind.
Jen --
I don't think anyone (particularly, Black) is disputing what a rewarding, peaceful, soothing, and great life it is on the islands, esp. when there is no disaster looming on the horizon or already happened.
It's about the advantages and disadvantages, mainly. Do the pros outweigh the cons... or something like that.
Black... come back, banna. Explain, again.
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Exactly.
In reply to black
My take is that You are not making much sense , FYI The Florida Keys are
a part of Florida , People can choose to live where they want .
I believe however that the Building Codes must be able to take the force
of some Hurricanes . All windows should have Hurricane Shutters , Yes
that could be costly , but apart from saving Lives ; they can minimize the
Damage from Hurricanes .
Hurricane Shutters in the long run
will more than pay for themselves .
They therefore in my opinion should be mandatory . Along with Enforcement that has Teeth .
It would be nice if Governments in the Region require Insurance Companies to give Home Owners who comply with building Hurricane proof Structures & have Hurricane Shutters a discount on their Insurance .
Wooden Structures should over time become obsolete especially since they
are prone to being destroyed by Hurricanes .
WE ALL must consider the fact that
Global Warming aint a Hoax ; and it is a fact that it spawns very powerful Hurricanes . This in my opinion necessitates Governments in the Region to beef up their Building Codes & have strict adherence to those Codes .
In reply to POINT
a part of Florida , People can choose to live where they want .
I agree, but they should also suffer the consequences.
Government cannot require insurance companies to do anything. It is not cost effective to cover people in flood zones.
In reply to pelon
Thanks for coming to the Defense of the Grenadines . My Grandparents were
from Union Island; and I spent many vacations in Union Island .
Sometimes my father would come down from the mainland and hire a Boat , and My Brother & I ; and my father would go to Carriacou in these small
Boats with the Boom made from Bamboo .
We always got instructions before setting off for Carriacou . WE were warned to Duck when the Owner of the Boat said " Head Bout " , because the Boom was going to swing around , and
if anyone did not duck , they would be swept Overboard .
In reply to pelon
They are not special - not by any means. They have no idea what is beautiful or peaceful
In reply to Chrissy
Alyuh keep arguing about beautiful and peaceful, who is disputing that?
You are always talking about anti-colonial this and that but the first thing out of your mouth is, where are the Brits?
In reply to pelon
Why on Earth are you taking on black? Just smile and wave.
In reply to nick2020
Why are you on here?
In reply to POINT and pelon
By the way, I'm not defending the people of Houston and the Keys, I'm just making a point that the help is there for them to recover. Houston is nothing but a big flood zone.
In reply to RemainsUnknown
I'm 27, and in my lifetime, its been worth it. We've been blessed in vincy not to have had any strong hurricanes or taking direct hits. Torrential rain has been the main destroyer for us since Hurricane Tomaz passed in 2010. People ain't taking care of the environment, St. Vincent was always a place that rained a lot, but them kinda flooding gone to a next level since this last decade (2010) started.
We felt Ivan in 2004, but mostly tropical storm winds. Tomaz in 2010 mainly hit the northern part of the islands. Where I was staying in the southern part, there was hardly any wind.
Many of Montserrat's population was absorbed by other countries but many have also relocated to the safer side,the point is black,Islanders will stay on their island even if there's an active volcano and one square foot of land,it's worth it.
The closest thing to modern paradise are the Caribbean islands,every single dot.
Also Maldives is a whole different type of geology,I think they should be very concerned.
In reply to jen
After my father retired my parents lived on Bequia at the Whaleboner for several years and my mother considers those years as some of the best of her life. She now lives with me in London and she pines for Bequia almost every day.
So yes for her the pros outweigh the cons.
And yes by all means the colonials should help,ah mean yuh done sex meh out over and over and even pass meh arong and yuh cyar help wit de doctor bill?? Look man good sex cost $$$$$!!!!
In reply to jen, bravos, mikesiva,
I hear you guys, loud and clear.
I suppose if I was born in a Caribbean Island, I too, would not want to leave... no matter what. That's just how it is.
I have vacationed in many a Caribbean Islands, & I must say... I enjoy them ALL to the max. The simple life is the ULTIMATE life for me.
People always tell me I have to go Maldives, Bora-Bora, Seychelles,.... where ever, you name it..... that they are 10X the paradise the Caribbean is.
But when I reflect on what I have experienced in the Caribbean... it was simply enough. I didn't once felt like I wanted more. Matter of fact, the Caribbean was perhaps almost too good to be true... it was way more than enough.
Nonetheless, no matter where we all choose to live... we perhaps have to face some type of disaster, natural or otherwise... at some point in time.
THAT'S JUST LIFE.... enjoy it while you can!
PS. Mourning a co-worker's death this week. The guy was only 42 years old and worked 20 years for this company. He had major health complications.
In reply to RemainsUnknown
Condolences to you and your co-worker's loved ones. 42. Man.
I feel you. Wherever you live, there will likely come a challenge of that magnitude, some moreso than others (for example imagine growing up in a literal warzone? Good lord).
In reply to jen
Love it! Beautiful turn of phrase only Caribbean peeps can appreciate.
By the way, for a man of only 27 you consistently make a lot of sense. Thanks.
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In reply to RemainsUnknown
But when I reflect on what I have experienced in the Caribbean... it was simply enough. I didn't once felt like I wanted more. Matter of fact, the Caribbean was perhaps almost too good to be true... it was way more than enough.
I'm a firm believer that too each his own. While I'm a caribbean boy and love it bad, from seeing footage of the islands off asia (maldives), off Australia/NZ like french polynesia (bora bora, tahiti etc), they look awesome and I can see why someone will make that statement. Too me, its a matter of if you don't experience it, you can't say otherwise which is better.
I think one of the things that makes the caribbean enjoyable is the people. A west indian.... is just that, a west indian!! Our sense of humor, never in a rush nature does catch the people them. Is just like we cricket team, no one else in international cricket bring as much flair and fun to cricket like we do.
Correct bro. Some parts of USA don't get Hurricane, but they'll get tormented by Tornado. We get Hurricane, not Tornado (on land that is lol). Asia, NZ does get rock a lot by earthquakes. When yo check the thing, Earthquakes & Tsunami will account for more casualty than a Hurricane per island. Vincy Volcano naw erupt since 1979 - she behaving she self. Last time it erupted, there was no casualties. And legend has it, the next year, crops were reaped in abundance. You can drop anything in yo backyard in St. Vincent and it will grow. Volcano ha the soil fertile no rass!!
In reply to Ewart
thanks man, and ah like yo signature. You have background in coding? lol - fello coders will get the drift.
In reply to jen
I remember the last time I was in Bequia and gave you a shout, but at that time you were on the mainland. I walked from Lower Bay rd. to Mount Pleasant Rd. after an entire day under a tree eating breadfruit and fish... the island is so beautiful. Admittedly, Mayreau is de apple of my eye... but had many rum soaked nights in and around Bequia for years.
It's been at least 20 years straight the family has docked in Bequia and if health provides... 20+ more
Lucky you: You live on a blessed spot on earth.
/* smile */
In reply to mikesiva
Bequia , about an hour or less distance from mainland St. Vincent ,is
like a world away from St. Vincent via
Boat .
I hope that one day You & your Mum , can go there , and she could rekindle
her happy memories of Bequia .
In reply to black
Is it worth living on these small Islands?
Just the mere size of these tiny Island, means that the whole Island is going to be wiped out, every time they take a hit. They don't have a large tax base, that means, they remain dependent on other Countries for help.
I'm not saying, these Islands should be uninhabited, what I'm saying is, are they prepared to accept the risk, without being dependent on others for help?
The dregs of American society live in Florida, Lousiana and Texas. Nobody wants to live in those states - if they had the opportunity to leave they would. Those states always have weather patterns that are a disaster.
In the aforementioned islands, people actually want to live there. That love is something money cannot buy.
In reply to Prako
If global warming is happening as some are suggesting, aren't some of these Islands going to become unlivable?
In reply to black
Possibly - you've already heard about serious concerns for Maldives.
Other low-lying countries include Grand Cayman. Bermuda where I live is hilly, but our highest point is less than 250 feet above sea level.
Freaking MANHATTAN is a low-lying island.
Point that is escaping these knuckleheads in here is the fact that these islands are so small that when crisis hurricanes arrive there is no escape as opposed to when hurricanes hit parts of Florida and Texas where the people over there can escape to other parts of their state or country. How is that hard to understand? Man getting wrapped up in conversation about island life is beautiful smh
In reply to problemjay
For real. People in the States have that option to get out of there. Car, train, bus, whatever. It's a no-brainer if I lived stateside. Living on an island, just gotta hunker down. Why people in the US wanna stay there is just baffling. Especially if you live in the Keys.
In reply to nitro
Once again your Ignorance is on view
in this Forum . In the Pacific there are also small Islands that suffer from Typhoons .
My Parents & Grandparents & Great Grandparents lived in SVG , So please stop talking B.S .
In reply to black
How OLD is the Caribbean Black?
In reply to pelon
Second of all, have any of the two of you even been to these islands? I have, and I say so not to boast, but to make the point that you can't UNDERSTAND something until you have a CONTEXT.
Those islands are absolute paradise. I have posted here 100s of times of my love for Mayreau, a dot of an Island I put my money on, and plan to retire to. I have sailed up and down the Grenadies (using maps dear Nitro, yes maps) up and down the BVI, and I can tell you first hand they are paradise on earth.
The first thing is that the PEOPLE are different. Even the wealthy ones. They come to have a disconnection from the OVERT displays of wealth that is actually the IRONY of why billionaires go to these dots. No one gives a fuck if you have 10 bentleys or a bicycle on these "island dots"
Granted, all of this sounds like madness if you can't contextualize BASIC LIVING = GOOD LIVING
AGAIN: The small dot islands are paradise, and if you can't fathom why someone would put up with the elements to experience this life: then stay in your big city illusion. We are brainwashed against our own... just as the plan wants... the more of you that FLEE... the easier for others to claim...
Lastly: Nitro, go get a real map. Prove to pelon the skunt that these islands are not on them... you just did not know what you are looking at... but they are on any "real map"
Had to repost...
In reply to powen001
It's as old as the African Slave trade, if you are talking about culture/people, excluding indigenous people.
What is your point?
In reply to black
That is possibly true
Holland is below sea level but they have made it habitable
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