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Kyle Hope again............

 
number09 2017-09-21 07:19:12 

..........

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 07:51:15 

In reply to number09... somebody trying to prove something?

 
CITYBOY 2017-09-21 07:55:34 

Hola.....the man name is HOPE...that means Hope...we cannot change that...

Adios
CB

 
Ragga007 2017-09-21 08:01:43 

Kyle Hope the shithound over Sunil Ambris once more.

 
CITYBOY 2017-09-21 08:03:49 

In reply to Ragga007

Hola...Ambris should drop the name SUNIL...they going by names..LOL
Adios
CB

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 08:41:51 

In reply to CITYBOY

lol lol lol

 
SirGarny 2017-09-21 09:20:15 

In reply to number09

check his flag...Does it have a trident in it? I believe so. The selector's flag is exactly the same. big grin

 
CricketLuva4 2017-09-21 10:01:07 

In reply to number09

Only reason I can think is that they wanted to swap an opener for an opener.

 
openning 2017-09-21 10:05:30 

Who will open with Lewis, if Ambris is selected?

 
openning 2017-09-21 10:09:32 

In reply to CricketLuva4

Fans on this board, just want to see a player selected
There are two slots available for Ambris on the team, wicketkeeping and batting in his usual position.

 
Ragga007 2017-09-21 10:18:33 

All I see are a bunch of LAME EXCUSES why Kyle Hope is in the squad and not Sunil Ambris.
Sunil is more talented than Kyle.

Put him to open and he will produce more than Kyle.

Kyle is a shithound.

 
imusic 2017-09-21 10:19:04 

In reply to openning

Excuses

 
openning 2017-09-21 10:25:14 

In reply to imusic

These same people cussed the selectors, when Johnson and Shai were opening.
You are aware, that Kyle and Lewis opens for T&T in the regional 50 ovrs competition.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 10:27:01 

In reply to openning... you sure is the same people?

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 11:06:14 

In reply to openning

Ambris has opened for WI U19, CCC, and Windwards. He has been batting in the middle dese days cause Devon eh moving down de order and he has provided stability dere.

WI is de only team dat insists on so called openers starting de innings in ODI even after a number six batsman open and score a ton against dem.

 
openning 2017-09-21 11:17:07 

In reply to Maispwi

What position is he now batting for the Windwards?
This is cricket at the highest level, you just don't put a guy in a position, that he has not worked on, prior to competition.
You can do that in a curry goat match

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 11:17:37 

In reply to Maispwi

In ODIs specialist bats should be capable of batting anywhere and management should be willing to try different things in terms of batting order.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 11:19:48 

In reply to openning... what you saying they aint no Shiv?

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 11:20:05 

In reply to Andy99... that's my feelings also.

 
Kay 2017-09-21 11:32:26 

All batsmen from 1-5 should be capable of facing the new ball. In fact most prefer to if you ask them....

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 11:35:13 

In reply to Kay

In fact most prefer to if you ask them


I will replace most with the good - best players prefer.

 
analyst-kid 2017-09-21 11:37:09 

If you are arguing based on the recent completed test series that Kyle Hope is no good then one could have argued for the selection of Roach test series avg 11 wkts @29.81 and ODI avg 99 wkts @ 28.10 econ 4.98 OVER TAYLOR

Kyle Hope with scores of 19,35,46 in three ODIs avg 33.33 is performing better in ODIs.... very similar to his brother's position before the English Test series.

 
openning 2017-09-21 11:39:35 

In reply to natty_forever

what you saying they aint no Shiv?


What I am saying to Andy99, International cricket is not a place to try anyone, without preparing him for the position

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 11:40:13 

In reply to openning

So we are a curry goat team? What position Bairstow bats for England?

Not because Kyle is a Bajan you shud chat dat $hite

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 11:48:01 

In reply to analyst-kid

Look put away de Bajan flag. Nobody talking averages here, cause you cyah win dat argument.

I have a problem with using 30 year olds with marginally better stats in some cases over younger players. And dat includes J Mo.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 11:48:34 

In reply to openning... agree with Test, not so much ODI and T20s.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 11:50:16 

In reply to Maispwi... don't think we can afford that, especially when JMo is now coming to hand, what guarantee we have that the youngster can swim? WI are late bloomers.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 11:52:28 

In reply to openning

An ODI innings is at most 50 overs. #5 batsman have come during the first 5 overs many times, other times a #5 may have to come in during the last 5 overs. You have to be prepared to bat anywhere.
Its just 50 overs, and specifically for specialists bats the longer u get to bat the better for you.

And btw since I got your attention, you does keeping on harping about people bigging up T20 performances for ODI and Test selections, hell you even talking about Lewis, well just thought I'd remind you that Beaton, you know the guy you are excited about and want around the Test team, did not play a first class game in the last season and that his last 4-day game was more than a year ago.

 
openning 2017-09-21 11:55:36 

In reply to Maispwi

So we are a curry goat team? What position Birstow bats for England?

I am sure Birstow opens for his county in 50 over competition.

Not because Kyle is a Bajan you shud chat dat $hite


Dude, I've always been an Independent thinking individual, who was born in Barbados.

This is what I men by preparation.
Jonny Bairstow is to open the batting for England in tomorrow’s first one-day international against West Indies at Old Trafford.

Bairstow opened in England’s previous ODI, the Champions Trophy semi-final against Pakistan in Cardiff in June, scoring 43, and The Times understands that he will be given another opportunity to open with Alex Hales in the five-match series.


Jonny Bairstow to get chance as England ODI opener

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 11:58:06 

In reply to openning

I am sure Bairstow opens for his county in 50 over competition.
... proof?

 
openning 2017-09-21 12:03:47 

In reply to Andy99

And btw since I got your attention, you does keeping on harping about people bigging up T20 performances for ODI and Test selections, hell you even talking about Lewis, well just thought I'd remind you that Beaton, you know the guy you are excited about and want around the Test team, did not play a first class game in the last season and that his last 4-day game was more than a year ago.


I am a fan of both Lewis and Beaton, so if they both want to play League T20, and refuse to play 50 ovrs and 4-day cricket, they should not be selected.
Lewis has the opportunity to be just like Warner, but he cannot develop as a batsman, by playing only 20 over cricket.

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 12:05:19 

In reply to natty_forever

Late bloomers shud knock down de door wid exceptional performances. These fellas stats are nothing to write home about. We are arguing over people with List A averages of under 40 at age 30

 
openning 2017-09-21 12:08:58 

In reply to natty_forever

Jonny Bairstow set to open Yorkshire batting in Royal London Cup?

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 12:09:07 

In reply to Maispwi... well look at it from the last year. And that's why his is marginally better. Lets see what it is like in another year.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 12:09:56 

In reply to openning... that's just planning, which seems to be lost on us. BTW did he?

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 12:13:18 

In reply to openning

Man you chatting $hite again. This is Bairstows 3rd time opening in ODIs. Of his 25 ODI innings 17 have been at 5 and 6 with 11 at 6. So do your homework before you start quoting articles.

 
openning 2017-09-21 12:16:11 

In reply to natty_forever

Dude, Bairstow knew he was going to open the inning, prior to the series, he was able to pre pare for the position.
England did not put him in a position, without preparing him for it.

See here

 
openning 2017-09-21 12:22:11 

In reply to Maispwi

Bro, settle down and read what posted.
I would be shocked, if an International team, open with a batsman without preparing him for the position.
BTW, Narine can open in T20, he has been doing it, in the IPL and CPL.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 12:33:43 

In reply to openning

Did u read, this is not Bairstow first time opening.
Read Rohit Sharma recent comments about doing whats need for the team.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 12:35:26 

In reply to openning

"I believe the decision to open in ODIs changed my career and it was a decision taken by MS Dhoni. I became a better batsman after that. In fact it helped me understand my game better, react better according to situations," Rohit told PTI.

"He (Dhoni) just came up to me and said 'I want you to open the innings as I am confident that you will do well. Since you can play both cut and pull shot well, you have the qualities to succeed as an opener'," Rohit said. "He told me that I shouldn't be scared of failures or get upset by criticism. He was looking at the bigger picture as the Champions Trophy was scheduled in England that year.


Link.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 12:37:25 

In reply to openning

A flexible batting order where "anyone could go anywhere" is central to Virat Kohli's ambitions of creating a limited-overs side that has an element of unpredictability to it.


"Whenever they have an opportunity to bat wherever, they will be happy to do it. You will have to play according to the team dynamics, whatever the team requires. That's how I became an opener because the team wanted me to open at that point. I'm sure no batsman will come into the fray thinking he is specialist opening batsman and needs to open the innings. We are all here thinking wherever the team wants us to play we should do the job. That's why we have the (rotation) policy going on. Shikhar's absence will be felt but we have got guys who can take on the role and perform well."


Link.

 
openning 2017-09-21 12:50:55 

In reply to Andy99
Read and comprehend bro,

He (Dhoni) just came up to me and said 'I want you to open the innings as I am confident that you will do well. Since you can play both cut and pull shot well, you have the qualities to succeed as an opener'," Rohit said. "He told me that I shouldn't be scared of failures or get upset by criticism. He was looking at the bigger picture as the Champions Trophy was scheduled in England that year.


That is so different, to Ambris, again it is preparing the batsman to open the inning, I would not be surprise with his preparation for the role, prior to the series.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 12:54:40 

In reply to openning

Thats all u got?

Anyways to your point, what about the bigger picture of WI getting an opener not just for 1 competition but for the next 10 years.

 
analyst-kid 2017-09-21 12:58:09 

In reply to Maispwi

Look put away de Bajan flag. Nobody talking averages here, cause you cyah win dat argument.


my argument is not averages...my argument is the type of cricket....you can't dismiss a man totally from ODIs based on his form in test cricket.

if this was the case Shai Hope should NEVER had made the test team.

 
imusic 2017-09-21 13:09:01 

Somebody(s) truly believes Kyle Hope has what it takes to be successful in international cricket and they are giving him every opportunity to demonstrate that

Same people also do not believe the same for Sunil Ambris

 
openning 2017-09-21 13:16:08 

In reply to Andy99

Anyways to your point, what about the bigger picture of WI getting an opener not just for 1 competition but for the next 10 years.


West Indies cricket has been in a free fall fall a couple of decades, we were fortunate to have great teams of the 70's & 80's.
It is up to Lewis and other openers, if they want to work, and full fill that slot for ten or more years.
These T20 leagues is taking over from youngster vying to play in the NBA.

 
openning 2017-09-21 13:17:33 

In reply to imusic

lol lol

 
Maispwi 2017-09-21 13:23:20 

In reply to imusic

Ah have to conclude dat Ambris has non-cricketing problems. You cyah tell me a man with a 50 average in List A cricket cyah get a look in and cud only bat at 7, when he eventually got a game, for a St. Lucia Stars team dat cudn win a match in de CPL

 
imusic 2017-09-21 13:24:44 

In reply to Maispwi

Yeah. It very odd indeed where he concerned. Especially with the relatively weak batting lineup we have.

 
Andy99 2017-09-21 13:31:16 

BTW:

Full name Sunil Walford Ambris

Born March 23, 1993, St Vincent, Windward Islands

Current age 24 years 182 days

Major teams Combined Campuses and Colleges, St Lucia Zouks, UWI Vice Chancellor's XI, West Indies Under-15s, West Indies Under-19s, Windward Islands

Playing role Opening batsman

Batting style Right-hand bat


According to cricinfo.

 
natty_forever 2017-09-21 14:36:05 

... caan ketch a break, the man could a run up to the stumps and still reach before the batsman.

 
Narper 2017-09-21 14:47:43 

In reply to natty_forever

WI are late bloomers.


Not true

The onkly successful 'late bloomer' was Ridley Jacobs

Our history shows if a player doesn't make a real name in the regional cricket before age 24...then forget consistently good performance at the highest level....recent examples...Johnson, Singh, Kuk Edwards, Kyle Hope, J Mo