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Poverty in Guyana - Alarming Stats

 
Runs 2017-09-24 20:59:39 

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DirtyDan 2017-09-24 21:14:13 

In reply to Runs

Can't be correct the country is asking to take in people

 
Runs 2017-09-24 21:34:14 

In reply to DirtyDan

wink razz

 
doosra 2017-09-24 21:48:44 

life must have been very good prior to 2015 big grin

 
doosra 2017-09-24 21:49:53 

Guyanese who left and were accepted and are now occupying other peoples' space should be a bit more sensitive about laughing when Guyana talks about opening up to others

 
Runs 2017-09-24 22:15:05 

In reply to doosra

What Guyana needs to do is attract back her best and brightest. I do not see that happening anytime soon with the present crime situation. Politicians have been offering others a chance to come to Guyana for eeons, I wonder why so few accept. wink
The government has enlisted Exxon to drill for her new found oil, a company with a bad track record of environmental pollution, bribery and corruption. They fail to disclose the terms of the agreement. Such has been the haughtiness of politicians in that country, and you are ready to call out some who left. Am sure if you get the opportunity you will too.
Just yesterday my cousin's husband's brother, an entrepreneur who employed many and contributed to the economy was shot and killed, 2 of his brothers are fighting for their lives. I know what goes on there brother, so kys. evil I have had family members shot and killed in that country, life has no value. When statistics are posted some take it as a personal attack instead of engaging in meaningful dialogue to alleviate and perhaps offer solutions. Your pressy was at the Princeton Club in NY and said Guyana wants brains not barrels.

 
Norm 2017-09-24 23:36:47 

In reply to Runs

Sorry, bro, but I have to criticize this one.

This is nothing but a stupid north-centric article that ultimately praises and justifies North American and European practices.

Guyanese are poor with respect to their ability to purchase imported goods, but they do not starve, or are not malnourished as a result. Their food usually comes from internal sources and is typically fresh and free from chemicals, etc.

They are not overweight (= well fed, in North American "studies"), and do not develop all kinds of weird diseases, like autism, etc, that are ultimately related to one's food source.

Somebody is trying to justify selling more North American foodstuff to Guyana.

 
Runs 2017-09-25 06:09:28 

In reply to Norm

Fair assessment, I found the study very disturbing it was shared by a very reputable Guyanese doctor cool

 
steveo 2017-09-25 08:00:56 

In reply to doosra

Guyanese who left and were accepted and are now occupying other peoples' space should be a bit more sensitive about laughing when Guyana talks about opening up to others


You talk like if those spaces are for free. Guyanese pay with their blood, sweat and tears for those "spaces".

 
CITYBOY 2017-09-25 08:04:58 

Hola....When are Guyanese going to man up and take some social responsibility ? Poverty is not a sin...
corruption,greed, thiefing,bribery and plain laid back laziness is.was and will continue to be social ills and plagues..
Guyanese stood by and align itself with Jagdeo and company and watched that country raped..yet all were on board...
Burnham was bad but he was replaced...why in heaven's name cant there be a person ..who's main interest is in uplifting of its people?
But it start with the people...a proper and civil revolt is needed...people in Guyana need to understand...revolt not in the name of a party....but in the name of goodnes and wealth sharing for all..
By the way that oil thing not happening..talk to Granger.Jagdeo about it...the bickering already started..
all you control the diamonds and the gold..things in the country...why do you guys think you can control what you cant see.?
Look at the sadness in the eyes of the children...dont look at the amount of rum in your glass.
Take care.
ADIOs
CB

 
Runs 2017-09-25 08:10:32 

In reply to CITYBOY

The Economist did a good piece on Guyana I will look for it and share.

 
steveo 2017-09-25 08:18:04 

In reply to CITYBOY

One of the major problems is the electoral process and the amount of money campaigning demands.

Corruption will always happen because the government of the day always have a handpicked set of people to award contracts etc, the same people who will donate to their campaigns etc

This is a problem all around the world and their so called "democracies".

Then there is the friend and family policy.

 
Runs 2017-09-25 08:39:30 

In reply to steveo

Spot on cool

Here is the Economist article

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CITYBOY 2017-09-25 08:39:47 

In reply to steveo

Hola..absolutely...friends and family..cronies to boot....and a disregard for common decency....
all of a sudden Jagdeo behaving holier that god...
the issue with Granger is he showed no backbone..he won the election but refusing to govern...all the corrupted boys ..from the PPP and PNC and business people and those who were given free titles should had been jailed...you got to start somewhere..if you dont clean the crap out..it will only attract more crap..
Now Jagdeo coming to Toronto..and people supporting him...this is sad...the man is corrupt..a thief and so called decent people aligning with him...that I cannot fathom... a thief is a thief is a thief..why do you want to be associated with such an individual?...but I blame Granger...he has let me down..and the whole of Guyana.
ADIOS
CB

 
steveo 2017-09-25 10:45:54 

In reply to CITYBOY

Why dont you focus on policies and results rather than personalities?

1. Do you think Granger should get a free pass on any mismanagement or corrupt practices because "Jagdeo" this or that?

2. If people have committed criminal acts as many have said, they are at the mercy of the courts, no? I remember the Kaieteur saying that all dem boys gun run and hide in foreign to avoid jail. The vast majority of the PPP is still in Guyana.

 
SnoopDog 2017-09-25 11:04:41 

In reply to steveo

2. If people have committed criminal acts as many have said, they are at the mercy of the courts, no? I remember the Kaieteur saying that all dem boys gun run and hide in foreign to avoid jail. The vast majority of the PPP is still in Guyana.


Remember Maximilien Robespierre? Instituted the reign of terror to persecute and punish members of the French monarchy and aristocracy for their crimes and excesses.

Then one day the guillotine was dropped on his head for the same crimes.

Since then most modern democracies have by convention decided that the current gov't/administration will not retroactively persecute and punish the previous one for alleged crimes or malfeasance. Because what goes around, comes around.

Cheddi Jagan didn't go after the PNC thugs in 1992 even though he had ample evidence of their crimes during the Burnham/Hoyte dictatorship.

Let's see if Soulja boy is a student of history and convention. big grin

 
CITYBOY 2017-09-25 11:09:08 

In reply to steveo

Hola...BIG difference between MISMANAGEMENT and TEEFING...we were all about the dark days of the Burnham party..which was replaced by the Jagan party...it dont matter who is the head of such party...you can support a party that is governing even if you do not belong to that party...that's called being a NATIONALIST..but that party must be free of corruption ,fair,and practice clear and equitable decisions...to the benefit of all...
Granger has that mandate..but he is not wanting to govern..I say so..(this was the conclusion reached at by a few politicians from Canada who went to Guyana after Granger winning the election and he invited them down...thats what they told me...you have to show teeth or else the wheels just turn and turn..
Sad but true....a former ,respected chancellor of the Judiciary system of the West Indies (he was big Judge in Guyana)scolded me for not going back and help Guyana...as he expected me to...
And I asked.."help to do what?"" Thief and become corrupted?..he said ..stay where you are..the judge later moved on to the Bahamas.
Take care.
ADIOS
CB

 
steveo 2017-09-25 11:32:01 

In reply to SnoopDog

Let's see if Soulja boy is a student of history and convention.


redface redface

 
Runs 2017-09-25 11:38:07 

Guyana needs Technocrats to rule, peeps who are visionaries.

 
steveo 2017-09-25 14:50:22 

In reply to Runs

Politics is too nasty of a game for decent people to get into

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2017-09-25 16:28:38 

In reply to Runs

In January of this year an IMF Working Paper by Ebrina Faal attempted to measure the current size of the underground economy in Guyana and, as promised, we shall explore this study today. In my earlier study the statistical approach used was based on trend line analysis of the relationship between various measures of money and the value of economic transactions. This relation is referred to as the ‘income velocity of money.’ The IMF study improved on this methodology. Instead of the statistical estimation of trend, the model that is used starts from a demand function for money in Guyana. To be sure, the income velocity is a type of demand function for money, but here the only variable that is captured is the demand for money as a function of the value of income and transactions, for which the money is to be used.

 
Runs 2017-09-25 16:57:56 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Policy Insight
The data shows a very tragic state of poverty in Guyana, particularly among children and young adults. The economic and social costs of poverty are significant and weigh heavily on the future of the country. Therefore, Lawmakers truly concerned about ending poverty and putting families on a path to economic independence should insist on policies that target families living in poverty while investing in core services necessary for building a strong economic foundation for long-term prosperity.

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2017-09-25 17:26:32 

In reply to Runs

The data painted a different picture. I read the article and thought of Ethiopia in the 80s.

Laws and initiatives need to be in place to move Guyana. I think the GDP calculates severe poverty and not factoring self sufficiency amounts Guyanese.

 
Runs 2017-09-25 17:51:06 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Jobs, number one priority, the unemployment rate is in the double digits, also protection and safety of her citizens. cool

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2017-09-25 18:00:16 

In reply to Runs

not contesting what you stated...Guyana needs to get to a mid income country status. The dire pic painted suggests a downward spiral. Guyana is in a good geographical location to attract business but lacks leadership.

 
Runs 2017-09-25 18:13:37 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Check my 7th post on this topic wink

 
Norm 2017-09-26 00:16:02 

In reply to CITYBOY

a proper and civil revolt is needed

A proper plan for the sustainable economic progress of Guyana is needed - one that allows a fairer distribution of wealth to all of Guyana's people.

The net effect of all past Guyana governments, including colonial governments, has been to divert the nation's wealth to supporters of the party in power. The Jagdeo government took that a step further by diverting most of the wealth to the inner circle of the party in power.

At this point, food production and services for the English-speaking world appear to be suitable for a long-term strategy, with mining for the short-term strategy. The country's economy seems to be already aligned to such a strategy, with gold and rice being the major exports currently, but this seems to be mere coincidence, not organised and not maximized.

With production weak as it is, the distribution of wealth is a really big issue. Burnham's co-op approach to stimulate small businesses with less stringent colateral requirements and co-op banks should be revisited, and land reform should be considered where it makes sense economically. Foreign businesses should be welcome, but with transparency given to priority.

Local government should be taken seriously and leveraged to distribute political power and wealth.

The people need to feel that government benefits all Guyanese - a gargantuan task - but possible.

why in heaven's name cant there be a person ..who's main interest is in uplifting of its people?


smile That will truly be a miracle for Guyana!

 
Norm 2017-09-26 00:23:05 

In reply to SnoopDog

most modern democracies have by convention decided that the current gov't/administration will not retroactively persecute and punish the previous one ... .

Even the less democratic ones often understand the wisdom in this. I really cannot understand why Granger, Trump, etc, have been allowed to waste precious resources on such backwardness (literally).

Seems like Granger ran out of steam after the "Jail Jagdeo's boys" campaign grew stale, because he had no real development plan. Let's hope the next government does.

 
granite 2017-09-26 05:27:50 

When slavery was abolished the the new arrivals from China,Portugal and India created a society that never came together in the true sense.Worse was to come when politicians used race to benefit themselves and nobody else.Today we have,especially in Guyana and TT the legacy of a culture that those politicians left.Nobody will fight to put the country first,much like developed countries,we are all for ourselves.

 
Emir 2017-09-26 07:04:38 

In reply to doosra

big grin big grin