Bryan Davies Rates Jason Holder

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link Headley Joined: Dec 2, 2007
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10/9/17 9:27:29 AM 
About WI captain Jason Holder, Davis stressed, “Holder is going to continue to be a failure as a captain, but they have no problem with taking him all the time.


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Seems Courtney Browne is selling a load of hogwash but nobody's buying, except a few with vested interests. rolleyes

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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10/9/17 10:08:25 AM 
In reply to Headley

“You had a losing team and you make no changes for the next (series)? I saw the One Day matches, he was terrible as a captain
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nuff said

. Kyle Hope was a total failure. What you’re trying to tell me that there’s no batsmen at all in the Caribbean?


This guy averaged 6 from 6 innings in test cricket...and at 29 years old...he is old....and is is not that he was breaking down the door in regional cricket...

link dayne Joined: May 29, 2007
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10/9/17 10:29:30 AM 
In reply to Headley

I think a few more sports journalist should be writing articles about the selection process of the WI team if they are dissatisfied with it. For the last two years there have been an obvious favor towards selecting Barbadian born players, I still cannot think of any reason why Reifer is on the team. WI cricket Fans could ask themselves, which person on the Test eleven could Reifer replace if they continue to fail? Well there is only one answer, no one.

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 10:32:19 AM 
In reply to Narper

like Singh and Chandrika

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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10/9/17 11:05:38 AM 
In reply to tc1

like Singh and Chandrika


Singh had a 3 test series...averaged 10....he failed at 28 years old...he was rightly and promptly dropped...and RIGHTLY not a single query from cricket fans

Chandrika should never have been selected for test cricket with a 25 FC average with no tons....but Big PU-C persisted with him for a few more tests thinking he would be accepted for a replacement for the hasty and obscene dropping of Shiv


Are you trying to justify the selection of Big Hope? Big Hope not only failed but looked absolutely clueless at the crease.

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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10/9/17 11:12:20 AM 
In reply to Narper

Singh had a 3 test series...averaged 10....he failed at 28 years old...he was rightly and promptly dropped...and RIGHTLY not a single query from cricket fans


SHOT!!!! lol lol lol

link Philjam Joined: Aug 13, 2014
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10/9/17 11:25:41 AM 
In reply to Headley
Name me which other test playing nation that have failure on tour and goes on the next tour with the same players?.I will answer it...none. Browne and his so-called other selectors are a damn shame to the Caribbean cricket.At least four of these players should'ave been replace

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 11:34:21 AM 
In reply to Narper

I am not trying to justify Hope's failures, as long as we have a level field and indicated he is like 'past failures'

u like Davis and Diehard highlighted the failure of the tour, were they in your and Diehard's opinion any positives.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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10/9/17 11:41:12 AM 
In reply to tc1

were they in your and Diehard's opinion any positives.


Yes there were
1) I won't sneeze at a test win in England after 17 years
2) Shai Hope's performance in test cricket
3) Braffit's 2nd test performance
4) Roach's return to test cricket

But there were devastating individual failures who should not have been rewarded with another tour immediately after their failures

link che Joined: Dec 9, 2002
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10/9/17 11:58:46 AM 
In reply to tc1

50 years Cryann Davis de trini shitehound carry on moanin cuz he neva mek '66 champion squad...

9 Bimmers lit da Sir Gary team ...shite skillet Davis hating all dese yrs...

lol lol lol

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 12:03:17 PM 
In reply to Narper

) I won't sneeze at a test win in England after 17 years



first in 17 years and u think this is not a great feat,

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 12:05:01 PM 
In reply to che

u could see the bias in the article as he only mentioned the OD performances of Lewis and Joseph.

link che Joined: Dec 9, 2002
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10/9/17 12:09:11 PM 
In reply to tc1

BINGO!!!

lol lol lol

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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10/9/17 12:19:55 PM 
In reply to tc1

But there were devastating individual failures who should not have been rewarded with another tour immediately after their failures


why is it all so black n white for you people?

So finding fault with a 29 y.o batsman who average 6 in six innings and secures his place..is equivalent to not acknowledging that we won a test match where the opposition declared cos they didnt respect our chances of winning?

Kudos for the win, but this guy played no part in securing it..and we fail to see how he will contribute to any victories in the future..why should someone else not get a chance?

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 12:38:51 PM 
In reply to DIEHARD

The fans want to see the ball flying everywhere. But the Hope brothers, Kraigg Brathwaite, are proper batsmen. They can hit sixes, but they are proper craftsmen when it comes to batting. Let them get on with their craft. If you allow them to develop in that way, they will be able[/quote]


This is the words of your top coach, the one you acknowledged is the motivator, the one you believe is a good coach. Do you still think he is a good coach




I am not saying that Hope should not be dropped, but the attack on the Hopes and Browne , it the same that you posted on Gibson.

Below is your opening statement to Walco on coaching



Its not about skin colour..its about respecting the players and their efforts

Phil also did the same thing.

Exhibit A

link WestDem Joined: Jan 21, 2009
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10/9/17 12:39:36 PM 
In reply to Narper

The ex-national opener was also disappointed with the returns of the veteran trio Chris Gayle, Marlon Samuels and Jerome Taylor. “Samuels should be (on the team) at all. I wouldn’t pick. I don’t see any reason for Gayle there either. Taylor’s cricket has gone real bad.”


Can you help me try to understand what he means here before I comment...Is this some kind a Trini English? lol lol

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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10/9/17 1:11:17 PM 
In reply to tc1

This is the words of your top coach, the one you acknowledged is the motivator, the one you believe is a good coach. Do you still think he is a good coach


See nothing wrong with what he said..very diplmomatic..he probably wanted to say the older Hope is useless..but he was making a public statement..so stated confidence in the team that has been selected

We’re very disappointed with our performance,” said the coach. “It’s a fact that our senior players haven’t performed. When the going got tough we didn’t stand up to it. It comes down to individuals taking responsibility and believing in themselves. Ultimately it comes down to performance, that’s what matters in sport.


“We have some time to reflect between now and then. There will be some serious decisions to be made about players and about the way forward. We still need some senior players. Guys who still have the hunger and desire to do well at the highest level.”


Otis did not gauge the temprature in the room before his comments, and given the nature of his relationship with said players..it was a misstep


The stats on the other hand..telll quite a story..compared to this lot lol lol lol

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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10/9/17 1:23:24 PM 
I cant understand the aggression towards the retention of the English bound squad.

The refusal of Narine and Bravo to play before the English tour in addition to the A team players being engaged in playing Sri Lanka meant the same team being retained.

link jacksprat Joined: Dec 18, 2002
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10/9/17 1:24:31 PM 
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In reply to Narper
This guy averaged 6 from 6 innings in test cricket...and at 29 years old...he is old....and is is not that he was breaking down the door in regional cricket...

Tony Becca seems to agree with you!

Singh averaged 10 runs, and he was promptly -and rightly- dropped after 3 tests. Another player, KHope, who also looked out of his dept at test level -and averaged 6 runs- in his initial 3 tests is rewarded with another tour. In other words, a reward forfailure.

This is the kind of double standard that leads some to conclude that it is more about the colour of the passport rather than cricket acumen that influences some selections.

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 1:25:05 PM 
In reply to DIEHARD

Diehard, you are certain that Law was diplomatic toward Hope, but he was sincere in acknowledging Gayle and Samuels.

Do that make sense to you, or you have superior knowledge about Law mind, brain-behavior that even Law does not understand.

lol lol lol

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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10/9/17 1:30:05 PM 
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Please focus on the words spoken by each gentleman regarding subpar performances of thier charges..dont know why u trying to focus on intent..that was never the arrgument.

link tc1 Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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10/9/17 1:43:04 PM 
In reply to DIEHARD

if you came to the conclusion that Law was genuine in his remark about Gayle and Samuels, why aren't you reaching the same conclusion on his remark to Kyle?

link buds Joined: Nov 15, 2002
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10/9/17 1:52:34 PM 
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Who is Bryan Davis again? rolleyes

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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10/9/17 2:07:58 PM 
In reply to tc1

if you came to the conclusion that Law was genuine in his remark about Gayle and Samuels, why aren't you reaching the same conclusion on his remark to Kyle?


The fact that both Gayle & Samuels average higher ...over an infinitely larger number of innings.

Stay focused..and stop trying to go off topic..Gibson has done nothing..to make anyone feel that he is a great coach..his first tough assignment as head coach..he failed miserably at.

Ripped the team apart..and didnt replace it with something workable.

link Baje Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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10/9/17 2:12:29 PM 
In reply to jacksprat
Singh averaged 10 runs, and he was promptly -and rightly- dropped after 3 tests. Another player, KHope, who also looked out of his dept at test level -and averaged 6 runs- in his initial 3 tests is rewarded with another tour. In other words, a reward forfailure.


Kyle, whether he can bat or not averaged 50 in our most recently concluded FC season. No other opener except Devon averaged in 40's.
Kyle is currently averaging 33 in his short ODI career.
He did manage a century on tour.
The tour of England was a very tough one in tough conditions with tough bowlers.

Maybe the coach and selectors considered the above. I believe that if Law wanted him gone, he would be gone.

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