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Look how early in Kohli career he greater than L
Btw Kallis is another conversation fuh another day but Moeen is de greatest !
In reply to WestDem
By those standards Trump is s greater statesman than Lincoln and Roosevelt
Zip one across the ears at 90mph and see how different your greatest looks! Kohli couldn't average 30 against the bowlers of King Viv and even The Prince Era.. An Apple A Day Keeps The Doctor Away.... Oranges Good Source Of Vitamins C...... See Sir, I have also compared Apples and Oranges.... Well... Sort of....
In reply to Mr-Anguilla
For your enjoyment!
In reply to Mr-Anguilla
Can you name the genuinely quick bowlers Viv faced? Thanks.
I know he had to deal with Lilee and Thomson. Who else? India and England had medium paced trundlers, there was no South Africa, and I'm pretty sure Viv didn't face Akram or Hadlee many times.
In reply to WestDem
And later in that series he scored one against Starc as well.
In reply to Devin
I think he scored most of his away ton in OZ against their quickest bowlers in world cricket at that time....
Walked in at 24/2 against South Africa in South Africa.
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Followed it up with a score of 96 in the 2nd innings.
In reply to WestDem
Four centuries in that series, and his maiden Test ton was scored on a previous tour of Australia.
In reply to Devin
Isn't it amazing how some folks on this MB always refuse to appreciate greatness unless its an overrated/overhyped West Indian?
In reply to WestDem
Cussbud
I am amazed at your comparisons of players of different era's
We will never know?
Why not enjoy the genius of each player, it seems every decade
one emerges.
To say one is better or greater, is a grave injustice to all.
In reply to Mr-Anguilla
Lara played a 5-test series in South Africa and failed to score a single ton against Donald and Pollock. He averaged 30/31 for the series. Never scored a Test ton against Waqar and Wasim either.
I have no doubt Kohli is a superior player of pace bowling in comparison to Lara. He doesn't hop, skip and jump, ever. His technique is considerably more refined as well. He gets into line very quickly.
Kohli is undoubtedly the greatest Indian ever in history. Ever Foreverer. Except for the last greatest ever. And the next.
Also I back Kohli 100% to one day come close to mediocre Pujara's test average!
On a related note, if you average all of Kohli's 100s in all formats, He's averaging over 100!! Amazing! No other president has done that. errr I mean batsman.
In reply to Devin... ones bias will always come to the fore when speculating.
In reply to Devin
Name one Bowler born on a Tuesday, who's name started with a Z who bowled to Kohli wearing a Hitler costume and a clown nose while on a unicycle!
In reply to Devin...Malcolm marshal, Joel garner, Michael holding, Colin Croft ... Patrick Patterson, to name a few.
In reply to VIX
Dude , I saw Koli take Donald apart in the 90s, I saw him dismantle a rampant Warne and in the same series he made Murali retire. He put Macco in school.
In reply to natty_forever
Word has it that he didn't fare too well against the great West Indian quicks
In reply to Halliwell
You sound like a typical Trinidadian; delusional.
In reply to Devin
I heard (commentary of) Viv scoring 4 100s in a single test match in Australia against bowlers throwing balls from supersonic jets..
In reply to Devin
It's not Viv's batting or runs scored that make him the Greatest black man of all time until Barrack Obama came along.
It's the amount of time he chewed the gum..No batsman has chewed gum for so long as Viv did without biting his tongue..He chewed less gum than the test runs scored but he chewed them for longer..His gum chewing efficiency is greater than Bradman's so called test average..
Do you think this 20/20 generation could even think of such gum chewing feats?
In reply to Halliwell
Chuck Norris AND Trump insists that Kohli is greater than Ali, Pele and Bolt in any sport!
Trump added that Kohli is grater than aged parmesan
In reply to WestDem
In reply to Devin... have a feeling neither would Kohli, since we speculating.
In reply to natty_forever
Look, everybody knows the reason for this thread
A need for validation in light of another Spectacular Performance by ABD
In reply to Halliwell.... irony? I just started one on him.
In reply to Khaga
L M F A O
I'm not sure why people think modern day Indian's are weak against pace. Seam movement/steep bounce is what will more undo them. Rohit Sharma made pat Cummins look real ordinary in that ODI series gone, man was hitting that pace with minimum fuss.
When Aussie roll them over in 2012 in Australia, it was brilliant swing/seam bowling. The next time they go back Australia, Kohli, Vijay, Rahane had a ball of a time in Australia. There was no great swing and seam like 2012.
And by the way, great swing and seam will account for anyone, regardless of how good yo is.
In reply to Halliwell
Dude, yuh blind or wha? You see when this thread was started?
Kohli is de greatest batsman ever in world cricket!
In reply to Devin
Pascoe, Hogg, Imran Khan,Akram
In reply to Baje
Any of them faster than Johnson, Starc and a few others not Cummins?
In reply to WestDem... none a those bad as Malcolm! You would have to merge them both to come near to a Malcolm.
Modern day flat track bully... nough said.
In reply to jen
Because in the eyes of West Indians, Indians are weak and cowardly, and are prone to being intimidated. They desperately want a repeat of Sabina 1842, but it will never happen.
In reply to natty_forever
Ah hear Viv used to regularly tear Malcolm to shreds.
In reply to Devin... something Kohli would find hard to do.
In reply to natty_forever
What was Viv's record like in the regional FC format?
In reply to Devin
You clearly got self esteem issues. I would never look at Sunny Gavaskar or Rahul Dravid and associate them with being weak or cowardly. Funny enough it's not the African man that got you bound up in an inferiority complex, its the European. The portrayal you allude to is a product of years of white characterisation of Indians, particularly in film, of lacking character, of being devious or being physically weak.
Perhaps you also suffered some adverse experience going to school in the Caribbean - bullying associated with being different, or some form of rejection. This could have happened to you in any environment and given the positive experience of so many other Barbadians of Indian origin, probably had little to do with you race and more with that you are a silly prick.
I advise you to get some help. If as has been said you are or were a Barbadian national it is not healthy for you to be harbouring such negative emotions about a region you grew up in.
In reply to Logic
Good attempt. I love the Caribbean. I only have good things to say about the Caribbean, apart from Guyana, which is really a part of South America, but culturally West Indian.
How do Caribbean people feel about one another? There is a great deal of insularity in the Caribbean. Jamaicans and Guyanese generally don't have a good reputation in the Caribbean, or outside of the Caribbean.
Trinis are generally disliked by everyone because they are pompous, look down on everyone(especially Guyanese), extremely delusional, and the men are a bunch of sing-song panty seeds.
I love Trinidad though, the people - not so sure about them. Can't trust the average Trini. My six years in Barbados were nothing short of brilliant, apart from not taking my schooling seriously. I had a million friends, many of whom I'm in regular contact with, eventhough I outgrew the whole "friends" thing many many years ago. Never been bullied or intimidated in my life. Never been beaten up.
Back to cricket, the flag waving incident is referenced on this site on a fairly regular basis, amongst other insinuations about Indian batsmen and their fear of genuine pace. Seeing that these same remarks aren't made about Aussie, English, Lankan or Pakistani batsmen, what am I to deduce?
In reply to Devin
You fed Logic with some real logic there...never see any such post from any of them when the shoe is on the other foot...like they say in life...watch, observe and learn to play their game...most time it turn out to be responses similar to Logic's....
In reply to Devin... million friends in Barbados ... oxymoron?
In reply to Devin... suh what we really discussing ... fear of fast bowling or what?
In reply to WestDem
These fellas come straight out of a comic book man. Everything is opinion based, when you give them the facts and figures, they stick to their opinions and double down.
In reply to natty_forever
I was told by the Anguilla chap that Kohli wouldn't average 30 against the bowlers of Viv or Lara's eras. I asked him to name the great fast bowlers Viv faced. And in particular, the genuinely quick bowlers that were great.
In reply to Devin
They own de comic book store...they are the same bunch that predicted Baby Lara would be better than their Prince all that change when he ran into Darren Sammys quickness in NZ! m
Kohli graduated from college and personal issue complainer went back to elementary school!
In reply to WestDem
You know of any other great to not have a 50 average in test cricket by now?
In reply to nick2020
You know of any that have a combined average of 50+ in T20,Tests and ODI? Test is your excuse to prove Viv and Lara?
In reply to nick2020
Pretty sure Lara had a 47-48 average at some point during his 60th - 70th Test. I've posted the stats before.
Viv barely averaged 50 when it was all said and done, and I'm not sure anyone would take a bet stating that Kohli will average less than Viv's 50.24 when his career is over.
Not sure if Amla is considered great, but his average was below 50 quite recently.
In reply to WestDem
WestDem seriously.
Viv would have been a beast in T20.
But stop rotating the strike; if Kohli is this magical unicorn with no known weaknesses his Test average belies his talent.
Lara after 59 Tests was averaging 49.59 with 10 centuries:
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Kohli after 60 Tests averages 49.55 with 17 centuries:
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In reply to WestDem
In reply to WestDem
Have you seen little Nicky? I hope he hasn't disappeared.
In reply to Devin
Nikki soon come he was scoring Kohli 31st ODI ton!
Stats in his 200th game... Runs 8,888 and average is 55.55, only the greats can have such a combination!
We have to admit,if we are honest,Kohli is playing at a time when teams are filled with class bowlers,far more intimidating and technically better than Vivs time.Pakistan and Australia were about the best bowling teams at the time Viv was beating up some bowling.
In reply to granite
The fact that there are so many other high scoring batsmen in addition to the top batsman says otherwise, if youre honest.
Allyuh see how the Great Williamson showed up Kohli?
In reply to Halliwell
Apart from ABD, is there anyone on the planet that is remotely in Kohli's league when it comes to ODI's?
Amla can keep getting to 1,000 runs, 2,000, runs, 3,000 runs etc etc faster than Kohli, but the truth is that no current or former cricketer rates Amla in Kohli's league. He's not a genuine match winner like Virat. And if you picked a world XI, I'm not sure he'd make it. There are quite a few openers around that you could opt for ahead of Amla.
In reply to Devin
It must bun you to high heaven that you cant bray about Koli being first to 1,2,3k.
Runs is runs and it there for all to see.
How did the star match winner do today?
In reply to Halliwell
Bun me? Dude, Virat Kohli is already the greatest ODI batsman of all time. He doesn't win matches batting first, he does it chasing. That's when he has control of the situation.
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