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Has there been a Windies captain since IVAR who was any good?

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-11-03 09:28:27 

Everyone has been cussed on here

Richie
Lara
Shiv
Gayle
Sammy
Holder

 
camos 2017-11-03 09:49:34 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

where are J Adams and Hooper?

 
Drapsey 2017-11-03 09:58:07 

In reply to camos

Ramdin.

He must be getting fuzzy. wink

 
sgtdjones 2017-11-03 10:05:12 

In reply to Drapsey

razz razz razz razz

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-11-03 10:13:43 

In reply to Drapsey

Where is your answer dropsey?

And you too "one sentence wonder"?


And Sarwan
And Ganga
And Reifer

 
tc1 2017-11-03 10:21:21 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

the best looking captain since Garry and Frankie, and you know how looks play on this mb

lol lol lol lol

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 10:22:36 

Well the big difference is ... none has had a winning record since, hence, they all failed ... no?

 
Drapsey 2017-11-03 10:28:05 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I wouldn't put much into the cussing to which you refer, cussing just because the cussers now have a medium to express their hate.

Had any such medium been available prior to the reign of the captains listed, similar or even worse cussing might've been meted out to those preceding captains.

Yes, those captains were cussed in a literal rum shop, not just a virtual one.

 
Andy99 2017-11-03 10:41:21 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Good question but without a question Holder is by far the absolute worst!

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-11-03 10:44:57 

In reply to Andy99

Worse than Shiv?

 
tc1 2017-11-03 10:56:33 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Gayle, Ganga, Sarwan

 
tc1 2017-11-03 10:57:49 

The Trini Comms said Ramdin is 'empty'inept'

 
Andy99 2017-11-03 11:00:57 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Think my comment is pretty clear.

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-11-03 11:15:24 

In reply to Andy99


List of captains
Player Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L %W %L
RK Nunes 1928-1930 4 0 3 0 1 0.00 0.00 75.00
ELG Hoad 1930-1930 1 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00
N Betancourt 1930-1930 1 0 1 0 0 0.00 0.00 100.00
MP Fernandes 1930-1930 1 1 0 0 0 - 100.00 0.00
GC Grant 1930-1935 12 3 7 0 2 0.42 25.00 58.33
RS Grant 1939-1939 3 0 1 0 2 0.00 0.00 33.33
GA Headley 1948-1948 1 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00
GE Gomez 1948-1948 1 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00
JDC Goddard 1948-1957 22 8 7 0 7 1.14 36.36 31.81
JB Stollmeyer 1952-1955 13 3 4 0 6 0.75 23.07 30.76
DS Atkinson 1955-1956 7 3 3 0 1 1.00 42.85 42.85
FCM Alexander 1958-1960 18 7 4 0 7 1.75 38.88 22.22
FMM Worrell 1960-1963 15 9 3 1 2 3.00 60.00 20.00
GS Sobers 1965-1972 39 9 10 0 20 0.90 23.07 25.64
RB Kanhai 1973-1974 13 3 3 0 7 1.00 23.07 23.07
CH Lloyd 1974-1985 74 36 12 0 26 3.00 48.64 16.21
AI Kallicharran 1978-1979 9 1 2 0 6 0.50 11.11 22.22
DL Murray 1979-1979 1 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00
IVA Richards 1980-1991 50 27 8 0 15 3.37 54.00 16.00
CG Greenidge 1988-1988 1 0 1 0 0 0.00 0.00 100.00
DL Haynes 1990-1990 4 1 1 0 2 1.00 25.00 25.00
RB Richardson 1992-1995 24 11 6 0 7 1.83 45.83 25.00
CA Walsh 1994-1997 22 6 7 0 9 0.85 27.27 31.81
BC Lara 1997-2006 47 10 26 0 11 0.38 21.27 55.31
JC Adams 2000-2001 15 4 8 0 3 0.50 26.66 53.33
CL Hooper 2001-2002 22 4 11 0 7 0.36 18.18 50.00
RD Jacobs 2002-2002 2 2 0 0 0 - 100.00 0.00
S Chanderpaul 2005-2006 14 1 10 0 3 0.10 7.14 71.42
RR Sarwan 2007-2008 4 0 2 0 2 0.00 0.00 50.00
D Ganga 2007-2007 2 0 2 0 0 0.00 0.00 100.00
CH Gayle 2007-2010 20 3 9 0 8 0.33 15.00 45.00
DJ Bravo 2008-2008 1 0 1 0 0 0.00 0.00 100.00
FL Reifer 2009-2009 2 0 2 0 0 0.00 0.00 100.00
DJG Sammy 2010-2013 30 8 12 0 10 0.66 26.66 40.00
D Ramdin 2014-2015 13 4 7 0 2 0.57 30.76 53.84
JO Holder 2015-2017 20 4 12 0 4 0.33 20.00 60.00

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 11:22:25 

Ramdin the best since IVAR, having captained more than 10 games. big grin

 
Andy99 2017-11-03 11:28:38 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Give me a sec, let me get my magnifying glass.....
Ok how does this affect my comment?

 
thefacts 2017-11-03 11:32:30 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I think there were several who were good captains.
However due to various (and some complicated) reasons the team results were poor.

For instance:

Post Viv:

First under Richie there were some key wins:
1991: Beating SA in Kensington
1992-93: 2-1 vs Australia in Australia

Then Walsh led the side in 1994 for tours to India and NZ. Where Walsh led the team admirably.

Upto 1995: 4 years post IVAR, WI didn't lose a single series.

Now most people talk as if since 1995 the team lost everything.

But here are THE FACTS: Between 1995 and 2001, WI did not lose a single HOME SERIES
1996 - NZ
1997 - India, SL
1998 - England
1999 - Australia
2000 - Pakistan, Zimbabwe

Our problem was WI couldn't win away from home.

Then between 2001-2003 under Hooper, WI won vs India at home, lost a close series to SA 1-2.

Gayle had remarkable results between 2007-09:
Test win in SA
Beat England at Home
1-1 vs SL at home
0-0 vs NZ in NZ
even in the test series loss to Australia in 2009, Gayle was Man Of the Series

--

SO to answer your question... Richie, Walsh and Gayle were good captains since IVAR.

For the rest, IMO

Jimmy and Hooper -- were good leaders of players, they had the respect of their team, without getting any remarkable results.

Ramdin was a steady cappo.

Lara and Sammy --- were mixed bags, who had their brilliant days and shocker ones too

Shiv, Ronnie and Jason are just not captaincy material.

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-11-03 11:38:16 

In reply to thefacts

Check Gayle record above

 
tc1 2017-11-03 11:38:42 

In reply to thefacts


If Gayle is a good captain, Holder is a better captain, are you using 2.50


He is also superior to Hooper
lol lol

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 11:41:19 

In reply to tc1... but worse than Ramdin.

 
tc1 2017-11-03 11:47:31 

In reply to natty_forever

But he better looking than Ramdin.

lol lol lol

 
Andy99 2017-11-03 12:00:20 

In reply to tc1

U is a fag or what, why u talking about which man better looking?

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 12:01:31 

In reply to tc1... I'll take your word for it.

lol

 
tc1 2017-11-03 12:04:03 

In reply to Andy99

No, for many years on this mb looks were the more important than facts.were you one

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 12:04:35 

In reply to tc1... Otis was not around for "many years" ...

 
tc1 2017-11-03 12:08:38 

In reply to natty_forever


Still a factor after many years.let me move on, just kidding.
That chapter should never have occurred, it not the outer characteristic, but your inner that really matter.

It looks like your team is beating up on Andy's .

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 12:11:36 

In reply to tc1... think highly of him as a batsman, however his keeping leaves me worried.

 
tc1 2017-11-03 12:15:57 

In reply to natty_forever

he may be able to play as a batsman

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 12:24:52 

In reply to tc1... he would be a perfect fit, as he can bat at 6, I been hoping for a keeper that can bat at 6. His keeping will have to improve.

 
tc1 2017-11-03 12:44:04 

In reply to natty_forever

Kool, Your regional team is knicking S

lol lol

 
natty_forever 2017-11-03 12:55:18 

In reply to tc1... looking to make at least 450.

 
aliaskid13 2017-11-03 12:58:58 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

yes. Richie, Walsh and to a lesser extent Gayle, all did fairly well, but they also had a much better pool of players to manage. Besides them the only good captain we had is Darren Sammy who somehow managed to turn a ragtag bunch of players into a respectable team, and then Ramdin a distant second. Nobody else was able to achieve anything of note and some (chiv and holder in particular) looked clueless as captains. If the day should come where this team starts to flourish under Holder's leadership it would be despite his efforts and not because of them.

 
openning 2017-11-03 13:13:21 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Why are we continue to blaming captains in 2017?
That position seem to be the only one, not caught up with the times.

 
tc1 2017-11-03 13:17:35 

In reply to aliaskid13

so how do you account that Holder has a better record that Gayle statistically
, from your argument Holder is better than Gale?

 
aliaskid13 2017-11-03 15:44:28 

In reply to tc1


because of this:

If the day should come where this team starts to flourish under Holder's leadership it would be despite his efforts and not because of them.


In other words, he's clueless. Holder only good quality as captain is that he's pretty. But this is cricket, not a damn beauty contest.

any more questions?

 
Drapsey 2017-11-03 15:48:20 

In reply to aliaskid13

In other words, he's clueless. Holder only good quality as captain is that he's pretty. But this is cricket, not a damn beauty contest.

He speaks well too.

 
runout 2017-11-03 15:58:33 

It is tough to not be a good/great captain given the teams we had back then...the batting was aces...the bowling was aces...and all the captain had to do was throw the ball to the quartet and says make hay. Viv didn't have to do much.

Richie had a competitive team, however it was on the decline.

Everyone subsequent to Richie struggled with the team selection/performance.

 
aliaskid13 2017-11-03 16:00:07 

In reply to Drapsey

He speaks well too.


you're right. I forgot to mention that. well there you go. He's the best captain... for the camera.

 
tc1 2017-11-03 20:42:23 

In reply to Drapsey


Statistically, Holder is a better captain than Gayle, Sarwan, Hopper, Ganga or Shiv, and since yardies often post about 'looks',

Holder performance as an allrounder is on par with Bravo in test and ODI and superior to Pollard in ODI.