History of Hindu India

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link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/14/17 2:31:08 PM 
Ancient times

First millenium

second millenium

Some really fascinating narrative...

Kind of makes you pause when judging Indian society...a civilization so old, that went to pinnacle, fell, rises again, always been one of the largest populations in the world...

...all that without being belligerent...

It really is fascinating and complex...and fascinating in its complexities...

link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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11/14/17 3:10:04 PM 
Nice proceedings..watching them..

link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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11/14/17 7:03:17 PM 
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You are a facking genius..by adding one keyword,you made this thread Cobra proof.

link granite Joined: Nov 1, 2013
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11/15/17 7:03:55 AM 
Some years ago I got some Encyclopedia and accidently found some interesting reading about India.It was about the Gupta Dynasty,it was a big surprise about a history I wasn' aware of.There was so much reading about the achievements in Arts,Architecture,Sciences,Religion and Philosophy,this was between 320 -535 CE,I think this date refers to the birth of Jesus Christ.I also had a bit of read about the Indus Valley Civilization,hard to believe such a great civilization existed.We keep hearing about the Chinese,the Greeks and Romans,I think these people did just as well with a philosophy that is equal in many aspects.

link Devin Joined: Sep 1, 2003
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11/15/17 7:11:50 AM 
Black people were the first Indians.

link Devin Joined: Sep 1, 2003
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11/15/17 7:18:49 AM 
Black people were white before white people were white.

link Halliwell Joined: May 14, 2005
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11/15/17 8:07:00 AM 
In reply to DAVE400

Hopefully the usual suspects don’t show up to rubbish your God and history of religion thread

I’m surprised they haven’t shown up yet to be honest

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link granite Joined: Nov 1, 2013
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11/16/17 4:02:07 PM 
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I thought so myself,I expect to hear something really nasty from a certain poster.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/16/17 4:08:04 PM 
Come nah man...the words India and Hindu create too many knee jerk reactions on this Board...

Truth be told, I was hoping to engage Gvenky and khaga on a historical discussion, sans enmity...

I do feel some primal pride in reading the article..doesn't mean I don't appreciate the richness of other cultures...just starting with "my" own first.

link googley Joined: Feb 9, 2004
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11/16/17 4:30:23 PM 
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so all humans came from black people?

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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11/16/17 9:00:35 PM 
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Have the Hindu's kept the culture pristine since leaving India or are there some deviation?

In our Village, a Moslem man and a Sikh were more Hindu that some of the Maharaj names.They would have 7 day prayers under large bamboo tents and religious individuals would come from all over Trinidad for such.
The whole village would contribute to such events.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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11/16/17 9:01:19 PM 
Greek and Indian Mythology

Some inhabitants of Greece were referred to as Indo Greek.

If we were to look at Goddess Durga, Artemis and Apollo
one would see some similarities.

Artemis and Durga

Artemis twin sister of Apollo, she is referred to as the goddess of the hunt and wild animals, childbirth, young girls and women. She carried a bow and arrow.

Artemis was the daughter of Zeus and Leto, she was worshipped through Greece.She was in love with Orion.Apollo became jealous of Orion, saw him swimming in the distance and bet Artemis that she couldn't hit the floating object on the horizon.
She took the wager and shot hitting the object, in grief she shot him into the sky making him a constellation in the sky.

Artemis appeared in a number of myths. In the myth of Actaeon, he was a hunting companion of Artemis; at some point, he saw the goddess naked bathing in a spring and tried to rape her.

As punishment, Artemis transformed him into a stag and his hounds killed him.

In the myth of Orion which has various versions, Orion was also a hunting companion of Artemis and the only person to have won her heart. However, he was accidentally killed by the goddess.


Durga was created as a warrior goddess to fight Mahishasura. the gods asked Brahma for help since Durga
caused disruptions by beating up on the gods of Nature.

Shiva requested all gods to pool their energy together, the energy created the goddess Durga.Being a woman, there was nothing stopping Goddess Durga from killing Mahishasura, as his boon only protected him from men and Gods. Such was the cunning and smartness of Lord Brahma.

Durga, also identified as Adi Parashakti, Devi, Shakti, Bhavani, Parvati, and by numerous other names, is a principal and popular form of Hindu goddess. ... She appears in Indian texts as the wife of god Shiva, as another form of Parvati or mother goddess.

The bow and arrows represent energy. By holding the bow and arrows both in one hand, Durga demonstrates her control over both aspects of energy—potential and kinetic.

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11/16/17 9:19:21 PM 
Hercules and Shri Krishna

Some similarities

Shri Krishna had one weakness, his heel, so did Achilles
one of the great warriors from Greek Mythology

lets us look at Hercules and Shri Krishna

Hercules born to Alceme, Zeus deceived her into thinking he was her husband.Hera wanted Hercules dead and sent two snakes to kill him.Hercules was found playing with both dead snakes as toys.

Zeus had tricked Hera into feeding Hercules when she discovered who he was, she pulled her breast out of his mouth and the squirt of milk formed the milky way.

Indra, the king of gods deceived Ahalya the same way.
Indra, in Hindu mythology, the king of the gods. He is one of the main gods of the Rigveda and is the Indo-European cousin of the German Wotan, Norse Odin, Greek Zeus, and Roman Jupiter. In early religious texts, Indra plays a variety of roles.


Hercules became a great warrior as one cycle known as the 12 labours state.

Shri Krishna also had adventures such as winning the Mahabharata for Pandavas.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/17/17 5:55:48 AM 
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Will check out...politely, please start a separate thread...trying my best for this to not descend to a race superiority argument.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/17/17 5:59:44 AM 
In reply to sgtdjones

Have the Hindu's kept the culture pristine since leaving India or are there some deviation?


I am not really concerned about the purity of the practice and preservation of rituals.

I am more fascinated by the tolerance of the religion and, by extension, the broader society throughout the Millenia.

Insofar as philosophies of dharma, karma, etc create the environment for tolerance and civility, these philosophies should be studied and respected.

What is also fascinating is not so much the survival of the rituals but the sheer history of these philosophies....handed down through millennia, creating advanced societies peacefully while other cultures advanced via conquest.

The Hindu philosophy is almost the opposite. Nowhere in history are there epics of conquest. Most battles are civil war in nature. The Maha Bharat and Ramayan being the most popular.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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11/17/17 1:32:06 PM 
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To see what the philosophy is about one must see where it all started.

Greeks and Persians travelers to the Indus valley, spoke of its inhabitants as “Hindu” (Greek: ‘indoi), and, in the 16th century,India began to employ the term to distinguish themselves from the Turks.

Gradually the distinction became primarily religious rather than ethnic, geographic, or cultural.Others have chosen to call the religion sanatana dharma (“eternal law”)

Hinduism can be traced back textually, and debate preserved in epic and Vedic writings from the2nd millennium bce.

Hindus accept more than any other major religious community,celebrate—the organic, multileveled, and sometimes pluralistic nature of their traditions.

Hindu prayer [quote]“May good thoughts come to us from all sides.”
It maintains that truth must be sought in multiple sources, not pertinacious proclaimed.

When Hindus speak of a religious identity as sanatana dharma, they emphasize it's continuous, seemingly eternal (sanatana) existence and a web of customs, obligations, traditions, and ideals (dharma) and not as a religion primarily as a system of beliefs.

Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life.

Hindu religious tradition: doctrine, practice, society, story, and devotion. These five elements, to adopt a typical Hindu metaphor, are strands in an elaborate braid.

If one reads the first of the five strands of Hinduism is doctrine, as expressed in a vast textual tradition anchored to the Veda (“Knowledge”).

The fabric of Hinduism is practice.

The relationship between the divine and the world.

Concerns the disparity between the world-preserving ideal of dharma and that of moksha ( inherently flawed world).

Individual destiny, as shaped by karma (the influence of one’s actions on one’s present and future lives)

Commonalities appear in the worship of icons or images (pratima, murti, or archa).It is called puja (“honouring [the deity]”); if performed in a temple by a priest.

The giving and sharing of food. Such food is called prasada (Hindi, prasad meaning “grace”), reflecting the recognition that when human beings make offerings to deities

Worshipers eat these leftovers, their status as beings inferior to and dependent upon the divine.

Hindu life is an organized society. Early visitors to India from Greece and China and, later, who travelled to India in the early 11th century, were struck by the highly stratified (if locally variant) social structure that has come to be called familiarly the caste system.

Purusha underwent a process of sacrifice that produced a four-part cosmos and its human counterpart, a four-part social order comprising Brahmans (priests), Kshatriyas (warriors and nobles), Vaishyas (commoners), and Shudras (servants).

In one of the early creation myths in the Rigveda, India’s oldest text, purusha is also the primal man from whose body the universe was created. He was both sacrificer and victim, and his rite was the imagined prototype for later Vedic and Hindu sacrifices.


ps The fabric of Hinduism is practice.


will continue ....

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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11/17/17 1:47:06 PM 
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I am not really concerned about the purity of the practice and preservation of rituals.


How can one not be concerned The fabric of Hinduism is practice.

Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life.

link Runs Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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11/17/17 2:15:52 PM 
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My Mughal ancestors also contributed greatly

link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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11/17/17 2:32:09 PM 
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In later years..it was preceded by bloody battles,forced conversions,violence of epic proportions..brutal!!

link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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11/17/17 2:34:17 PM 
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Cut the copy,pasting Wiki! Articulate your grievances..Just as the Muslims defend the Quran, the Vedas can be defended.

link Runs Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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11/17/17 2:37:21 PM 
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Did my DNA have traces of that Mughal tree no forced conversion of my ancestors wink

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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11/17/17 3:21:50 PM 
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I am trying to show the thread originator what Hinduism is about.

One must practice its way of life.

Ya gats dat.Plus most of the above I learned in school.

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link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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11/17/17 3:23:43 PM 
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I don't think of God as a deity.

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11/17/17 3:23:54 PM 
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My Mughal ancestors also contributed greatly


I am curious as to how ?

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