RACISM: In Caribbean Cricket

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link jaydee Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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7/11/08 8:39:11 PM 
In reply to BallOil
So did it happen in the first match in Guyana or the second in . . . ? lol

link Surya Joined: Jul 12, 2005
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7/11/08 8:39:18 PM 
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In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

Marcus, do you root for England against WI in England? Since you are in the habit of asking pointed questions, I expect you to give a pointed yes or no.

link Surya Joined: Jul 12, 2005
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7/11/08 8:40:52 PM 
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In reply to BallOil

Just so you know (may be unrelated), there are pockets in India where folks root for Pakistan and celebrate Pakistani wins.
I have NOT heard an Indian captain say that Indian team belonged to a particular group.

link MarcusGarveyLives Joined: Dec 2, 2002
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7/11/08 8:43:18 PM 
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Marcus, do you root for England against WI in England? Since you are in the habit of asking pointed questions, I expect you to give a pointed yes or no.

I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.

I hope that is sufficently clear for you.

link Surya Joined: Jul 12, 2005
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7/11/08 8:43:58 PM 
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Thank you. big grin

link Chally1 Joined: Apr 14, 2003
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7/11/08 8:47:01 PM 
I know as a young man growing up when India/Pak came to the islands Trini, Guy and them other Indians will go to support the Indian/Pak teams...
I was a big confused at first as a young man but then I figured it out.. Those island folks that went to support Indian/Pak teams...were just SCUNT... A indian man from Guyana told me one time he was told by Indian/Pak indians that they dont consider them at all..
But this is why Trinidad is in a mess today. the ppl vote race and not policy so all I have to say WI people are basically an F up society

link Surya Joined: Jul 12, 2005
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7/11/08 9:01:41 PM 
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In reply to Chally1

If developed and sovereign countries like USA and UK cannot expect their immigrant population to support their national teams, third world countries can't expect it too for obvious reasons.
I am even surprised that there is such an expectation to begin with.

link Boomer Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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7/11/08 9:10:15 PM 
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?


Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.

By the way, This Guyanese fan, Dready, loves the Shivster--there he was congratulating the Shivster when he scored 203*.

Boomer

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 9:20:18 PM 
In reply to jaydee

So did it happen in the first match in Guyana or the second in . . . ? lol


both... lol

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 9:23:41 PM 
In reply to Chally1
But this is why Trinidad is in a mess today. the ppl vote race and not policy so all I have to say WI people are basically an F up society


started by the British...divide de ppl and leave confused

link Wanderer Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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7/11/08 9:26:30 PM 
racim in the caribbean is all about perspective and politics, actual racism has pretty much died in the larger territories, the small island mentality still exists(not sure its racism), take for example...PM manning of TNT just vetoed the appointment of a new police commissioner recommended by The PSC, one MR. Williams of afro descent , plenty to talk about, but imagine if he had vetoed an indo nominee!!!!!!
what would have been the reaction? ....

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 9:26:37 PM 
In reply to Surya
Just so you know (may be unrelated), there are pockets in India where folks root for Pakistan and celebrate Pakistani wins.
I have NOT heard an Indian captain say that Indian team belonged to a particular group.


Interesting....different culture and mentality

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 9:34:02 PM 
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link jaydee Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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7/11/08 9:42:52 PM 
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.

I hope that is sufficently clear for you.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 9:52:17 PM 
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.

I hope that is sufficently clear for you.


so let me get this straight, you in a white kuntry and supporting WI a black team when playing England. Wasn't this the same issue Viv was speaking out about? confused

link MarcusGarveyLives Joined: Dec 2, 2002
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7/11/08 9:57:29 PM 
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By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.

WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!

Boomer

Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.

I do not recall this happening. I don't remember seeing any evidence of this while watching the series, or reading about this in any reports of the series at the time.

Was "Ntini's South Africa" also "Kallis' South Africa" and "Pollock's South Africa"? I am afraid that I have no recollection of any West Indies fans supporting any version of South Africa in that series.

link Boomer Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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7/11/08 9:59:14 PM 
In reply to Wanderer
racim in the caribbean is all about perspective and politics, actual racism has pretty much died in the larger territories, the small island mentality still exists(not sure its racism), take for example...PM manning of TNT just vetoed the appointment of a new police commissioner recommended by The PSC, one MR. Williams of afro descent , plenty to talk about, but imagine if he had vetoed an indo nominee!!!!!!
what would have been the reaction? ....



Hmmmmm! Interesting perspective!!!

Boomer

link MarcusGarveyLives Joined: Dec 2, 2002
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7/11/08 10:01:22 PM 
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so let me get this straight, you in a white kuntry and supporting WI a black team when playing England. Wasn't this the same issue Viv was speaking out about?

I'm afraid that I don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about and I am not sure that you do either.

If it helps you, here is a list of the cricket teams that I support:

West Indies
West Indies A
West Indies U-19
West Indies U-15
West Indies Women

I hope that is of assistance to you.

You will have to ask Viv to explain what he was talking about.

I cannot speak for him, only for myself.

link BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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7/11/08 10:01:48 PM 
Which territories might that be? smile

link jaydee Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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7/11/08 10:04:20 PM 
In reply to Boomer
Was "Ntini's South Africa" also "Kallis' South Africa" and "Pollock's South Africa"? I am afraid that I have no recollection of any West Indies fans supporting any version of South Africa in that series.

Boomer MGL mash yuh up deh you know . . . Which South Africa comes to the table actually . . . Hey the Asian community is quite large in that country . . . big grin

link jaydee Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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7/11/08 10:06:15 PM 
In reply to Boomer
Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.

Maybe the crowds were acting on principle and were jeering gigicel and the Board?
lol

link Boomer Joined: Dec 8, 2007
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7/11/08 10:09:42 PM 
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not recall this(Supporter of Lara rooting for Capt Chanderpaul's WI to lose) happening


Well Marcus, you are clearly having some memory problems.

Listen, when Chanderpaul was captain of the West Indies---every WI loss was celebrated by the majority of Lara supporters.

1. Lara supporters were deeply relieved when Courtney Browne dropped Kallis when he was on 16 in the Bourda test---Kallis went on to score 100+ and help SA draw that test.

2. Lara suppoters were deeply pained when Chanderpaul's WI defeated Pakistan in barbados.

3. Lara supporters were extremely happy when Browne again dropped Inzy in Jamaica when he was on zero---he went on to score a hundred--and Chanderpaul's WI lost that test.

4. Lara supporters were overjoyed when NZ managed to win the first test in NZ by 24 runs against Chanderpaul's WI team.

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link Surya Joined: Jul 12, 2005
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7/11/08 10:11:45 PM 
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In reply to BallOil

I don't know why "those" Guyanese and Trinibagoians are afraid to declare their support to whichever they team they prefer just like our friend MGL is doing on this thread big grin

link Toney Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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7/11/08 10:13:23 PM 
[b]In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
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[b]By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.

WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!

Boomer
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To which you replied:

[b]I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?

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My question is:

Where the fcuk in the Caribbean were you when this was supposed to have happened?

link jaydee Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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7/11/08 10:15:09 PM 
In reply to Boomer
The way i remembered it-We were overjoyed that they loss-We were seeking reconciliation of the team-We were against Digihell-If tigga wanted to side would those nasty irish imperialist (See Surya), THEN GO TO HELL cool

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