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RACISM: In Caribbean Cricket
Boomer
2008-07-11 13:21:06
First of all, before CC management get all nervous about the "R" word, the article in the link is an excellent one.
Read this
"The history of West Indies cricket does, though, have a backdrop of racism..."
George Headley was not considered suitable for captaincy because he was black. Jack Grant was made captain of a team that included George, and turned to him for advice. Jack conceded that he knew it was because he was white that he was made captain.
Worrell himself was shocked by the aloof and unsociable behaviour of the touring M.C.C. team in 1954, writing that, "Never once, however, did the members of the M.C.C. party show that they wanted our hospitality, and their attitude distressed us beyond words
That man, Viv Richards would write about how it made the team grimly determined to beat England in 1976 after Tony Greig said he would make them grovel. It had come just after the tour of Australia, where they had been surprised by the hostility of the verbal abuse. The "friendly rivalry" that was revealed in shouts of "You f**k off, you black bastard!" left the team stunned, wrote Richards.
When South Africa toured in 2001, Ntini had already so warmed the hearts of West Indians that spectators pleaded with him as he attacked the West Indies’ batting. “Ntini, don’t forget you’re one ah we,” an Indian man had called out, begging him to show mercy at Queen’s Park Oval.
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Very good article Miss Baksh!!!
By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!
Boomer
Trex
2008-07-11 13:23:43
Booms always has an agenda up his sleeve...
Boomer
2008-07-11 13:27:18
In reply to Trex
Booms always has an agenda up his sleeve...
HIGHER STANDARDS my bwoy.
lol
carl0002
2008-07-11 13:33:03
In reply to Boomer
George Headley was not considered suitable for captaincy because he was black.
Boomer we have indeed come a far way since then, so much so that now you are not considered suitable for the WI team if you're white
Boomer
2008-07-11 13:37:11
In reply to carl0002
Boomer we have indeed come a far way since then, so much so that now you are not considered suitable for the WI team if you're white
HA HA HA HA! HA!
That's a good observation Carl!!
What's his name again---the man who should be batting at the WI #6 position instead of Dwayne Bravo who has been an absolute failure at that position averaging only 26+.
BN!!!!
Boomer
BallOil
2008-07-11 13:38:33
Wasn't Viv the one that said West Indies is a Black team? Why was he stunned? 
Boomer
2008-07-11 13:42:46
In reply to BallOil
Wasn't Viv the one that said West Indies is a Black team? Why was he stunned?
Bally:
The Boomer never held that comment by Viv against him---the man never meant to disparge East Indians and their contribution to WI cricket.
But yet many East Indians were offended by Viv's statements.
Those East Indians who criticized Viv needed to be whipped---they were low class and fcuking insecure.
Boomer
Larr Pullo
2008-07-11 13:51:02
In reply to BallOil
Wasn't Viv the one that said West Indies is a Black team? Why was he stunned?
Viv was speaking from an international perspective. Where, if you are not white, you are considered black. do you really think the white English yob differentiates between a person of Indian descent and one of African decent from the Caribbean?
BallOil
2008-07-11 13:55:36
In reply to Boomer
Agreed.
what I was referring to was why Viv stunned from the quote in your lead post above.
jaydee
2008-07-11 13:56:40
In reply to Larr Pullo
I don't wish to engage in that debate, but most Indians are closer genetically to . . .
Well, we all can't wear pink triangles like Jala, just let me say that
1. Humans have approximately 30,000 genes. On average, how many genes separate all members of one race from all members of another race?
A. None
B. 1
C. 23
D. 142
E. 1008
F. We don't know
ANSWER
1. A. None
There are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that distinguish all members of one so-called race from all members of another race.
jaydee
2008-07-11 13:59:15
ON BLACK
4. Members of a race can be identified by their:
A. Blood group
B. Skin color
C. Ancestry
D. Genes
E. None of the above
F. All of the above
ANSWER:
4. E. None of the above
There are no traits, no characteristics, not even one gene that is present in all members of one so-called race and absent in another. The A, B, and O blood groups can be found in all the world's peoples (the percentage of Estonians and Papua New Guineans with A, B, and O blood are almost exactly identical). Skin color tends to correlate with the earth's geographic latitude not race; sub-Saharan Africans, the Dravidians and Tamils of southern Asia, and Melanesians from the Pacific all have very dark skin. Ancestry is difficult to trace; we all have two parents, four grandparents, etc. If you could trace your family back 30 generations, slightly more than 1,000 years, you'd find one billion ancestors.
COME IN WIFAN AND THAT STUPID NOBEL PRIZE WINNER FOR DNA
BallOil
2008-07-11 14:02:15
In reply to Larr Pullo
No I don't think so... Apartheid was live and well back in the 70's. As we all know, Blacks, Indians, etc felt the brunt of racism.
Yet, what bothers me, WI players went to SA during this period to play cricket just for the money.
Joshua
2008-07-11 14:03:51
In reply to BallOil
and they were banned.
CricketLuva4
2008-07-11 14:07:42
In reply to BallOil
Its the gave of love and unity 
Larr Pullo
2008-07-11 14:23:03
In reply to jaydee
I'm not sure but I was once told that when doing blood transfusions, there is an incompatibility between the blood from a black person and the blood from a white person. This also obtains when looking for marrow to do bone marrow transplants. Maybe one of the MD's on here could make themselves useful and clarify.....
BallOil
2008-07-11 14:30:57
In reply to Joshua
GREED started it all and WICB contributed to it by selecting the Kerry boys over the defects...
OVAL291
2008-07-11 14:41:14
In reply to BallOil
Wasn't Viv the one that said West Indies is a Black team? Why was he stunned?
Viv was pissed becuz muddies and Trinis like u and Larafan were supporting Pak in 1988 at Bourda and POS......
can't blame him for venting and saying the games should be played at Ant, J'ca and BIM where he would get the support of the home team....
Boomer
2008-07-11 14:49:03
In reply to Larr Pullo
I'm not sure but I was once told that when doing blood transfusions, there is an incompatibility between the blood from a black person and the blood from a white person.
You were told wrong--have your physician explain blood types to you---something to do with red blood cell compatibility and plasma compatibility.
Boomer
Surya
2008-07-11 14:51:07
Fcukk Viv for being pissed off..Muddies and Trinis will support who they want to just like people of Caribbean origin in England support who they want to!
BallOil
2008-07-11 15:14:02
In reply to Surya
my sentiments as well. I was going to let this go but Oval291 brought it up again. Looking back at Viv's comments if he was playing an American sport and talking crap like that he would be a goner...
Yet, it was tolerated with no consequence
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-11 15:32:12
In reply to Boomer
By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!
Boomer
I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?
Larr Pullo
2008-07-11 15:34:17
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Boomer has NEVER attended a test match in the Caribbean. Pay him no attention.....
jaydee
2008-07-11 15:34:30
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Of course its a lie-but who wants to argue with Boomer
There was hurt over the exlcusion of gayle, Sarwan and then lara
But hey, Boomer isn't always that accurate
as he said, he stopped at primary school like his hero
Surya
2008-07-11 15:37:29
In reply to BallOil
In a setup like WI, Viv Richards should NOT assume any other nation but Antigua as his home 
BallOil
2008-07-11 15:37:55
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?
Not because you can't remember or see it doesn't mean it wasn't there..
jaydee
2008-07-11 15:39:11
In reply to BallOil
So did it happen in the first match in Guyana or the second in . . . ?
Surya
2008-07-11 15:39:18
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Marcus, do you root for England against WI in England? Since you are in the habit of asking pointed questions, I expect you to give a pointed yes or no.
Surya
2008-07-11 15:40:52
In reply to BallOil
Just so you know (may be unrelated), there are pockets in India where folks root for Pakistan and celebrate Pakistani wins.
I have NOT heard an Indian captain say that Indian team belonged to a particular group.
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-11 15:43:18
In reply to Surya
Marcus, do you root for England against WI in England? Since you are in the habit of asking pointed questions, I expect you to give a pointed yes or no.
I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.
I hope that is sufficently clear for you.
Surya
2008-07-11 15:43:58
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Thank you.
Chally1
2008-07-11 15:47:01
I know as a young man growing up when India/Pak came to the islands Trini, Guy and them other Indians will go to support the Indian/Pak teams...
I was a big confused at first as a young man but then I figured it out.. Those island folks that went to support Indian/Pak teams...were just SCUNT... A indian man from Guyana told me one time he was told by Indian/Pak indians that they dont consider them at all..
But this is why Trinidad is in a mess today. the ppl vote race and not policy so all I have to say WI people are basically an F up society
Surya
2008-07-11 16:01:41
In reply to Chally1
If developed and sovereign countries like USA and UK cannot expect their immigrant population to support their national teams, third world countries can't expect it too for obvious reasons.
I am even surprised that there is such an expectation to begin with.
Boomer
2008-07-11 16:10:15
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?
Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.
By the way,
This Guyanese fan, Dready, loves the Shivster--there he was congratulating the Shivster when he scored 203*.
Boomer
BallOil
2008-07-11 16:20:18
In reply to jaydee
So did it happen in the first match in Guyana or the second in . . . ?
both...
BallOil
2008-07-11 16:23:41
In reply to Chally1
But this is why Trinidad is in a mess today. the ppl vote race and not policy so all I have to say WI people are basically an F up society
started by the British...divide de ppl and leave
Wanderer
2008-07-11 16:26:30
racim in the caribbean is all about perspective and politics, actual racism has pretty much died in the larger territories, the small island mentality still exists(not sure its racism), take for example...PM manning of TNT just vetoed the appointment of a new police commissioner recommended by The PSC, one MR. Williams of afro descent , plenty to talk about, but imagine if he had vetoed an indo nominee!!!!!!
what would have been the reaction? ....
BallOil
2008-07-11 16:26:37
In reply to Surya
Just so you know (may be unrelated), there are pockets in India where folks root for Pakistan and celebrate Pakistani wins.
I have NOT heard an Indian captain say that Indian team belonged to a particular group.
Interesting....different culture and mentality
BallOil
2008-07-11 16:34:02
jaydee
2008-07-11 16:42:52
BallOil
2008-07-11 16:52:17
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.
I hope that is sufficently clear for you.
so let me get this straight, you in a white kuntry and supporting WI a black team when playing England. Wasn't this the same issue Viv was speaking out about?
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-11 16:57:29
In reply to Boomer
By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!
Boomer
Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.
I do not recall this happening. I don't remember seeing any evidence of this while watching the series, or reading about this in any reports of the series at the time.
Was "
Ntini's South Africa" also "
Kallis' South Africa" and "
Pollock's South Africa"? I am afraid that I have no recollection of
any West Indies fans supporting
any version of South Africa in that series.
Boomer
2008-07-11 16:59:14
In reply to Wanderer
racim in the caribbean is all about perspective and politics, actual racism has pretty much died in the larger territories, the small island mentality still exists(not sure its racism), take for example...PM manning of TNT just vetoed the appointment of a new police commissioner recommended by The PSC, one MR. Williams of afro descent , plenty to talk about, but imagine if he had vetoed an indo nominee!!!!!!
what would have been the reaction? ....
Hmmmmm! Interesting perspective!!!
Boomer
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-11 17:01:22
In reply to BallOil
so let me get this straight, you in a white kuntry and supporting WI a black team when playing England. Wasn't this the same issue Viv was speaking out about?
I'm afraid that I don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about and I am not sure that you do either.
If it helps you, here is a list of the cricket teams that I support:
West Indies
West Indies A
West Indies U-19
West Indies U-15
West Indies Women
I hope that is of assistance to you.
You will have to ask Viv to explain what he was talking about.
I cannot speak for him, only for myself.
BallOil
2008-07-11 17:01:48
Which territories might that be?
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:04:20
In reply to Boomer
Was "Ntini's South Africa" also "Kallis' South Africa" and "Pollock's South Africa"? I am afraid that I have no recollection of any West Indies fans supporting any version of South Africa in that series.
Boomer MGL mash yuh up deh you know . . . Which South Africa comes to the table actually . . . Hey the Asian community is quite large in that country . . .
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:06:15
In reply to Boomer
Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.
Maybe the crowds were acting on principle and were jeering gigicel and the Board?
Boomer
2008-07-11 17:09:42
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not recall this(Supporter of Lara rooting for Capt Chanderpaul's WI to lose) happening
Well Marcus, you are clearly having some memory problems.
Listen, when Chanderpaul was captain of the West Indies---every WI loss was celebrated by the majority of Lara supporters.
1. Lara supporters were deeply relieved when Courtney Browne dropped Kallis when he was on 16 in the Bourda test---Kallis went on to score 100+ and help SA draw that test.
2. Lara suppoters were deeply pained when Chanderpaul's WI defeated Pakistan in barbados.
3. Lara supporters were extremely happy when Browne again dropped Inzy in Jamaica when he was on zero---he went on to score a hundred--and Chanderpaul's WI lost that test.
4. Lara supporters were overjoyed when NZ managed to win the first test in NZ by 24 runs against Chanderpaul's WI team.
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Surya
2008-07-11 17:11:45
In reply to BallOil
I don't know why "those" Guyanese and Trinibagoians are afraid to declare their support to whichever they team they prefer just like our friend MGL is doing on this thread
Toney
2008-07-11 17:13:23
[b]In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
[/b]
[b]By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
WHO VEX, VEX--IT'S THE TRUTH!!
Boomer
[/b]
To which you replied:
[b]I do not recall this happening. Does anyone else here?
[/b]
My question is:
Where the fcuk in the Caribbean were you when this was supposed to have happened?
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:15:09
In reply to Boomer
The way i remembered it-We were overjoyed that they loss-We were seeking reconciliation of the team-We were against Digihell-If tigga wanted to side would those nasty irish imperialist (See Surya), THEN GO TO HELL
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:16:03
In reply to Toney
i WAS HERE AND YOU STINKING LIE 
Boomer
2008-07-11 17:25:44
In reply to jaydee
The way i remembered it-We were overjoyed that they(Shiv Chanderpaul's WI team) loss
The Boomer admires your honesty Mr. Jaydee--you admit to being overjoyed that the WI lost when Shiv was captain.
Boomer
BallOil
2008-07-11 17:29:16
In reply to Surya
yeah...and can only selectively recall what he wants..
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:30:37
In reply to Boomer
THE POINT IS-
WHO CARED ABOUT SHIV???
IN DIVIDE AND CONQUER EVENY DOG FOR HIMSELF AS WE TRY TO BRING THE PACK TOGETHER
WE EAT UP SELFISH RATS LIKE THEY DID IN WHITE FANG AND THE CALL OF THE WILD
I CARED ABOUT YOU PEOPLE AND THE STUPIDITY THAT YOU GIVE-
FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS FROM A NON-MELANIN COMPANY
TO LET A FOREIGN AGENT COME IN TO DICTATE YOUR LIVES-
IF SHIV WAS BRIGHT ENOUGH TO STAND UP,
THEN HE WAS ALSO THEN A BLIGHT
SHIV LEARNT HIS LESSON WELL WHEN BK TELL ON HIM
THE MAN THEY SEND TO HELP ALSO REELED SHIV IN
YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T LIKE SHIV AND THOUGHT HE WAS AN . . .
MAN LEAVE THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY ARE-FAR BACK IN THE PAST
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:32:12
In reply to BallOil
I HAVE MY WORLDVIEW -YOU HAVE YOURS
SURYA HAVE HIS STUPID WORLD VIEW
TO ME HE IS A BORE
I SEE THE WORLD THE WAY I WANT IN
NO ROOM FOR STINKING WIFAN
THAT I BELIEVE IS SIMPLY PART OF THE PLAN
BallOil
2008-07-11 17:40:48
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
If it helps you, here is a list of the cricket teams that I support:
West Indies
West Indies A
West Indies U-19
West Indies U-15
West Indies Women
I see you following the same path of "openness" like Indo-Caribbean ppl supporting India/Pak/whoever over the home team.
Good for you..
Surya
2008-07-11 17:42:05
In reply to BallOil
Could you please make a bit more clear to Marcus in case your logic is very convoluted,cryptic and vague? 
jaydee
2008-07-11 17:45:29
In reply to BallOil
Unlike India, many of our islands allow dual citizenship . . . Then MGL remains Jamaican though he is in england. Indeed officially he will be considered an english person of Jamaican origin English with Jamaican heritage)-Most civilized countries do not require you to disown the ones who created you-nor do they say if you don't live there you are no longer their own
That boy above (Surya) needs to go do some studies
dcbreds
2008-07-11 17:46:33
In reply to Boomer
Most fans who were supporters of Captain Lara rooted for Ntini's South Africa against Chanderpau's West Indies in that series.
And this conclusion was based on what? This is one of the many BS comments you have made in the past week.
All of a sudden, you have switched to the green board mentality again. Why is that? You think that is the best way to get attention and run up a 200+ thread? Or are you really that insecure?
BallOil
2008-07-11 17:50:00
In reply to jaydee
That is ah little harsh on MLG...don't you think?
BallOil
2008-07-11 17:56:33
In reply to Surya
sorry..lets see what MLG comes back with ..then I gon break it down if necessary...
Surya
2008-07-11 20:13:29
In reply to BallOil
Wait for 10 more days before he digs it up
imusic
2008-07-11 20:15:10
In reply to dcbreds
All of a sudden, you have switched to the green board mentality again.
Doh get tie up.
Boomer NEVER strays too far from his roots.
krishna
2008-07-11 21:25:15
By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
very true
Boomer
2008-07-11 21:28:40
In reply to dcbreds
All of a sudden, you have switched to the green board mentality again
Stop bawling for murder! You blokes can't handle the truth.
You celebrated every WI loss under Captain Chanderpaul.
"Since we hero Lara can't play we might as well support Ntini against Shiv and his team, which will never be we team once Shiv is cappo."
Well, Shiv tossed your beloved captaincy back into your faces.
He did the smart thing---focus on his batting.
And since Lara retired Shiv has averaged:
100+ in tests
70+ in onedayers.
LORD SHIVA LOVES THE SHIVSTER.
Boomer
krishna
2008-07-11 21:37:35
In reply to BallOil
BallOil Joined: Jan 23, 2004
Posts: 3670 7/11/08 4:52:17 PM
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
I do not "root for England" anywhere against anyone. I leave that for the English.
I hope that is sufficently clear for you.
so let me get this straight, you in a white kuntry and supporting WI a black team when playing England. Wasn't this the same issue Viv was speaking out about?
hahhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
bata
2008-07-11 21:42:50
In reply to Boomer
You celebrated ever WI loss under Captain Chanderpaul
Lara had his followers who went against Shiv---what happen today-----those skuntholes need Shiv support.
Ungreatful fcukers
krishna
2008-07-11 21:49:48
THEY ALWAYS USING ALBION BUT DONT LOOK AT It from a cultural perspective
dcbreds
2008-07-11 21:58:24
In reply to Boomer
I am glad that he loves Shiv and I am glad that you do.
Both you and krishna come with this stupid idea that you are victims. Why would I back Ntini. I don't give a flying **** what colour he is! He is a Saffie, and I do not back Saffies!
I never backed Shiv as captain because he was a scab and he stabbed the other players in the back! It has NOTHING to do with his race! And, guess what? His batting suffered when he was captain. In the end, NOT being captain was a good thing for him. I am sure you know what they call this!
dcbreds
2008-07-11 22:00:07
In reply to krishna
You talking crap. ANYONE who was against Shiv did so because of his unprincipled stand but they were still cheering his runs!
I wonder if you had the same disgust for those so-called West Indians who openly cheer for the Pakistanis and the Indians - maybe you and Boomer were in their numbers!
dcbreds
2008-07-11 22:05:47
In reply to bata
Another BSer! Where was "Shiv the great" all these years when he was just average! What happened in his first 50 tests when he scored 2 hundreds? Where was this "great batsman" when WI needed him all these years? Now he is FINALLY doing what he was being paid to do, allyuh want to call him great?
Steups. And de word is UNGRATEFUL!
Boomer
2008-07-11 22:09:07
In reply to dcbreds
Both you and krishna come with this stupid idea that you are victims
The Boomer a victim ? What facting bullshit are you talking about ?
How can a superior thinker like the Boomer ever be a victim ?
Listen youngman, know your place when you address the Boomer.
Now, it's a fact that you dcbreds and all the Lara suporters were overjoyed when the West Indies lost under Capt Shiv.
So dont come here braying about the Boomer and others being victims--like I said how can superior thinkers like proud high school graduate Boomer be victims ? That's impossible.
lol
Boomer
doosra
2008-07-11 22:18:20
In reply to dcbreds
all these years when he was just average! What happened in his first 50 tests when he scored 2 hundreds?
very interesting...
dcbreds
2008-07-11 22:25:26
In reply to Boomer
As a "superior thinker" you damn well know what I am talking about, so there is no need to spell it out for you.
And I want you to show me where I "celebrated" under when WI lost under Shiv. As I said, I did not support Shiv because of his unprincipled stand. His actions undermined the strength of the players as a unit. And he was not a good captain. I said so very early on and was proven right. And it had nothing to do with results and more to do with his poor tactics on the field. He was not even trying to be aggressive - and in most cases he simply responded to the opposing team and at no time tried to take control of a game.
In fact, he should thank Lara for that Pakistan win, cause if Lara did not knock Kaneria off his rhythm in that test, we would have had a much more difficult task in that test.
But what Shiv did, he did for SHIV and NOT for West Indies cricket. And that is OK once people like you do not come on here and make him a victim because people lost respect for him for his unprincipled actions.
Boomer
2008-07-11 22:33:19
In reply to dcbreds
What happened in his first 50 tests when he scored 2 hundreds? Where was this "great batsman" when WI needed him all these years?
By the way dcbreds, I notice you are holding onto to
Shiv's first 50 tests for dear life.
It's like Shiv's last 62 tests never happened.
RE: SHIV FIRST 50 TESTS
You are right! Shiv was an average batsman---he averaged 39.18 with 2 hundreds and 23 fifties after 50 tests(not good enough for a HIGHER STANDARDS player.
But check out Shiv's last 62 tests:
SHIV'S LAST 62 TESTS
Tests: 62
Runs: 5102
Average: 57.32
100: 17
50s: 27
So what do you have to say about Shiv's 57.32 average in his last 62 tests dcbreds ?
KEEP HOLDING ON TO HIS FIRST 50 TESTS MY BOY.
It's your way of trying to dismiss the achievements of the Shivster.
Boomer
Boomer
2008-07-11 22:34:43
In reply to dcbreds
What happened in his first 50 tests when he scored 2 hundreds? Where was this "great batsman" when WI needed him all these years?
By the way dcbreds, I notice you are holding onto to
Shiv's first 50 tests for dear life.
It's like Shiv's last 62 tests never happened.
RE: SHIV FIRST 50 TESTS
You are right! Shiv was an average batsman---he averaged 39.18 with 2 hundreds and 23 fifties after 50 tests(not good enough for a HIGHER STANDARDS player.
But check out Shiv's last 62 tests:
SHIV'S LAST 62 TESTS
Tests: 62
Runs: 5102
Average: 57.32
100: 17
50s: 27
So what do you have to say about Shiv's 57.32 average in his last 62 tests dcbreds ?
KEEP HOLDING ON TO HIS FIRST 50 TESTS MY BOY.
It's your way of trying to dismiss the achievements of the Shivster.
Boomer
doosra
2008-07-11 22:36:17
In reply to Boomer
So what do you have to say about Shiv's 57.32 average in his last 62 tests dcbreds ?
'that's what he;s being paid to do'
to be exact
when WI needed him all these years? Now he is FINALLY doing what he was being paid to do
dcbreds
2008-07-11 22:39:21
In reply to Boomer
Listen. Shiv has played VERY VERY FEW innings where he performed for the team. I commended him a couple of weeks ago because it was the first time he batted for the team! Maybe that Lee bouncer finally knocked some sense into him.
He made a lot of runs when he TOTALLY ignored the TEAM situation. I have posted the numerous not out innings where he allowed the tailenders to receive too many deliveries.
And his performances improved AFTER Lara dropped his rass in 2004. It was only then that Shiv started to do what was expected of him. I don't know what it is with you muddies, but Lloyd, Shiv and now Sarwan only perform after they are unceremoniously dumped for being subpar.
So, Shiv should be thanking Lara for his successes, because if that did not happen he would not be the batsman he is today. 
Boomer
2008-07-11 22:44:39
In reply to dcbreds
And I want you to show me where I "celebrated" under when WI lost under Shiv.
Well Breds, you may not have celebrated outwardly and openly like many of the Lara supporters, [b]but surely in your heart you were pleased as punch with WI defeats under Capt Shiv.
After all, this is what you wrote:
I never backed Shiv as captain because he was a scab and he stabbed the other players in the back
If you didn't back Shiv as captain, then when Shiv lost you had to have celebrated---in your heart.
lol
And he(Shiv) was not a good captain.
How could Shiv be a good captain when he was underminded by his own players.
1. Browne dropping Kallis at Bourda.
2. Browne dropping Inzy at Sabina
3. The WI losing the 1st test in NZ by 24 runs.
Boomer
dcbreds
2008-07-11 22:51:38
In reply to Boomer
If you didn't back Shiv as captain, then when Shiv lost you had to have celebrated---in your heart.
For a "superior thinker" your logic is really flawed. And if you really knew my heart, you will not make such boneheaded statements. I will leave it at that.
As for the undermining theory, I would suggest that Hooper and especially Lara were undermined big time! I remember those Pakistan tests for example. All those dropped catches against Yousuf cost us ALL THREE games! So that was definitely not unique to Shiv.
But Shiv was a poor captain. No one (but the faithful Shivettes) will ever agree that his captaincy skills were even average.
Boomer
2008-07-11 22:52:17
In reply to dcbreds
Listen. Shiv has played VERY VERY FEW innings where he performed for the team
There are 11 players in a team, right ?
We all know Shiv is HIGHER STANDARDS and he is expected to perform better than the rest.
But it looks like you want Shiv alone to perform for the team.
By the way, Shiv has scored 7 hundreds in 26 matches the WI have won with him in the team; the great Lara scored 8 hundreds in 32 tests the WI won with him in the team
Looks like the great Lara "has played very very few innings where he performed for the team.
hahahahahaha
Remember 7 Vs 8.
Boomer
doosra
2008-07-11 22:54:56
In reply to Boomer
By the way, Shiv has scored 7 hundreds in 26 matches the WI have won with him in the team;
were they match-winning 100s or were they just idle and aimless 100s that didnt mean anythign in the context of the victories?
dcbreds
2008-07-11 23:02:42
In reply to Boomer
There you go again with your selective analysis.
I can go through all of Shiv's innings and point out a handful when he played innings that were for the team. I could list a number of innings where his batting totally ignored the team's position.
There were VERY FEW innings that Shiv actually took control of the innings. He just batted and let everyone at the other end do what they had to do - especially the tailenders.
Shiv is a good batsman to have in the team, but we all know that he is not a match winner. He is good support staff but cannot dominate a game. That is why he will NEVER be great!
Deal with that!
Boomer
2008-07-11 23:04:51
In reply to doosra
were they match-winning 100s
Well, the
137* vs India was a
Power Hundred.
A Power Hundred is when a player scores a hundred in a test match his team wins and no other player on his team scores a fifty.
Boomer
Boomer
2008-07-11 23:13:55
In reply to dcbreds
I can go through all of Shiv's innings and point out a handful when he played innings that were for the team. I could list a number of innings where his batting totally ignored the team's position.
Well, this is what the Boomer knows.
26 Wins...The WI have only won 26 of the 112 tests Shiv has played in---that's 23.2 %
32 Wins...The WI won 32 of the 131 tests the great Lara played in---that's 24.4%
The Boomer is just a high school graduate---but High school math tells me there aint much of a difference between
23.2% and 24.4%
lol
Boomer
krishna
2008-07-11 23:14:23
i guess i learened the victim role well
dcbreds
2008-07-11 23:19:12
In reply to Boomer
Let's not go down that path. You will be really disappointed. Shiv is in no way comparable to Lara. Nor is he comparable to Richards or any of the West Indian greats!
BTW, what is Shiv's loss percentage?
This should keep you busy for the rest of the night. Have fun!
dcbreds
2008-07-11 23:19:42
In reply to krishna
That's your middle name.
krishna
2008-07-11 23:21:54
In reply to dcbreds
i learned the victim's role from u guys. u got beat because of ref. u got beat because ref is white. white teacher gave me 75 when it should be 95. i didnt get pilot's job because i am dis and that.
yes i learned well.
krishna
2008-07-11 23:22:36
In reply to dcbreds
how come u so one sided that you hate ur better half
Boomer
2008-07-11 23:26:16
In reply to dcbreds
Shiv is in no way comparable to Lara. Nor is he comparable to Richards or any of the West Indian greats!
Relax, Shiv not great yet in the Boomer's books---but he is getting there.
By the way, when Shiv does arrive---10,000+ test runs at a 50+ average---when he does arrive he would have achieved greatness in the defensive fashion as opposed to some of the other WI greats who were aggressive.
QUESTION:
Can you tell me what the STRIKE RATE of the following WI greats were---it's hard to label a batsman aggressive without knowing his STRIKE RATE.
Sobers
Headley
Richards
Weekes
Worrell
Walcott
Richards
I know the aggressive Lara ended up with a Strike Rate of 0f 60.51 and the defensive Shiv has Strike rate of only 43.26.
Boomer
CricketLuva4
2008-07-11 23:38:00
In reply to Boomer
Richards
We all can agree Viv was attacking.
nevavex
2008-07-12 00:13:36
In reply to dcbreds
I can go through all of Shiv's innings and point out a handful when he played innings that were for the team. I could list a number of innings where his batting totally ignored the team's position.
Bring it on...I dare you to do it. Here is a great opportunity to concede what a cricket dunce you are.
Ah waiting.....
Surya
2008-07-12 06:37:04
In reply to CricketLuva4
We all can agree Viv was attacking.
umpires and journalists
CW
2008-07-12 07:55:58
In reply to Surya
In a setup like WI, Viv Richards should NOT assume any other nation but Antigua as his home
you trying to get me banned from this MB
Viv as a West Indian can assume he will be more than welcome in all of the Caribbean....
your feelings/opinions with regards to race/culture may well be slightly tarnished..
matter of fact you may need to re-assess your definition of what may constitute racism..
hmmmm
CW
2008-07-12 08:00:39
In reply to Boomer
How could Shiv be a good captain when he was underminded by his own players.
1. Browne dropping Kallis at Bourda.
2. Browne dropping Inzy at Sabina
3. The WI losing the 1st test in NZ by 24 runs.
Boomer
Please tell us you are joking
doosra
2008-07-12 08:03:35
In reply to CW
Browne undermined everyone, dropping catches non-stop right Nothing new there.
Had Browne taken Inzy in that match WI would have won the match and the series, no doubt.
jaydee
2008-07-12 08:06:37
bata
2008-07-12 08:09:27
In reply to dcbreds thanks for the correction---but a question for you---Shiv is the best batsman in the WI team now right? So why you guys hope for him to fail? You back the WI team but hope for Shiv to fail and the rest to shine WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPPEN.
jaydee
2008-07-12 08:13:02
In reply to bata
You are assuming that this is due to race-people hate anybody that stands out in a pool of mediocrity . . . It has nothing to do with Sh!v
CW
2008-07-12 08:20:11
You guys need to forget about racism in Caribbean cricket cos ironically Sky just running a program about Basil D'Oliveria and SA in 1968
Bwoy some BS came outta Voster di eeediat
jaydee
2008-07-12 08:21:51
In reply to CW
Do you think Tiities should dig up the sabina pitch?
bata
2008-07-12 08:26:58
In reply to jaydee
You are assuming that this is due to race-people hate anybody that stands out in a pool of mediocrity
Memba 4-6? If not ask Vaas----if ya need to find out more about Shiv ask Australia (fastest hundred against dem) while you at it ask England, South Africa and India ---- If you can't get tru with dem ask the
BOOMER fi help.Good luck.
CW
2008-07-12 08:27:48
In reply to jaydee
yea send dem over so we can put solidified liquid on their door locks and lock them in their hotel room
jaydee
2008-07-12 08:29:33
In reply to CW
You kill woolmer?
CW
2008-07-12 08:35:05
dcbreds
2008-07-12 09:00:46
In reply to nevavex
Yuh looking fuh attention!
dcbreds
2008-07-12 09:05:52
In reply to bata
Firstly, I never wish for Shiv to fail. Never have, never will.
Secondly, the best batsman in the team is Sarwan. Shiv is the most successful at this time. I hope Sarwan has turned the corner because it is about time he proves how much of a top class batsman he really is.
Incidentally, I have to give Anand credit. He continuously asserted that was Sarwan's problems were mental and he is right about that. I really hope he has resolved these issues. I look forward to a REAL double ton from him.
doosra
2008-07-12 09:07:59
In reply to dcbreds
Secondly, the best batsman in the team is Sarwan.
also very interesting...
how do you define a batsman?
He continuously asserted that was Sarwan's problems were mental and he is right about that.
Sarwan's batting problems are not limited to mental. There are a number of technical issues as well. The bouncing ball he continuously edges to slip, just one example.
Surya
2008-07-12 09:20:09
In reply to doosra
Look it's anyone but Shiv for LBLs
dcbreds
2008-07-12 09:22:38
In reply to Surya
You like bacchanal eh?
doosra
2008-07-12 09:23:05
In reply to Surya
... some of it is just really unbelieavable ...
Surya
2008-07-12 09:23:52
In reply to doosra and dcbreds
"Higher standards" for Shiv, yes?
dcbreds
2008-07-12 09:25:22
In reply to Surya
No. Sarwan is just better. I will pay to see him bat.
Surya
2008-07-12 09:28:16
In reply to dcbreds
I eh have control over how you blow your money. But Sarwan is nowhere near Shiv in terms of technique and ability to switch gears..
Shiv Chanderpaul is WI's best batsman.
Can Sarwan get there? sure..Hope he does, before it's too late..
Sarwan is the runaway leader in the class of 2000
Boomer
2008-07-12 11:11:51
In reply to dcbreds
Firstly, I never wish for Shiv to fail. Never have, never will.
I believe you--you have never wished for Shiv to fail.
Your problem is you will never accept Shiv as a great batsmen if he were to end his career with 10,000+ runs at an average of 50+.
Your excuse will be Shiv was not DOMINANT and aggressive.
Well, please show me proof that Headley and Weekes were dominant and aggressive.
WHAT WERE THEIR STRIKE RATES ?
Boomer
nitro
2008-07-12 18:38:40
In reply to Boomer
It is true but no one wants to talk about it, we are a racist lot. If Obama was a terrorist many West Indians would want him to win the presidency just because he is black or half black.
dcbreds
2008-07-12 21:14:14
In reply to nitro
Lawd, anudder one.
Surya
2008-07-12 21:33:20
In reply to nitro
Hexpose dem
dcbreds
2008-07-12 21:35:25
In reply to Surya
Rabble rouser!
jaydee
2008-07-12 21:36:00
Surya
2008-07-12 21:42:34
In reply to dcbreds
You don't understand the cause for which our comrades rikiniki and redBaron have sacrificed their MB lives 
dcbreds
2008-07-12 21:48:21
In reply to Surya
Dey in a BETTER place now (and Digicel not involved).
CW
2008-07-13 02:13:58
In reply to nitro
If Obama was a terrorist many West Indians would want him to win the presidency just because he is black or half black.
I want to see di man win...
cant wait fi see him in dat 1600 Pen Avenue address and order him 10000 litres of black paint and start redecorating
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-13 05:52:05
In reply to BallOil
If it helps you, here is a list of the cricket teams that I support:
West Indies
West Indies A
West Indies U-19
West Indies U-15
West Indies Women
I see you following the same path of "openness" like Indo-Caribbean ppl supporting India/Pak/whoever over the home team.
What do you propose to do about this? How can you prevent "West Indians" supporting the West Indies?
jaydee
2008-07-13 06:00:17
Why would Indian Caribbean people support an Indian team above a "Caribbean team" If it is an Indian team against say the current South African team, that would be okay?
Surya
2008-07-13 06:56:24
In reply to jaydee
Nationalism in the 3rd world in a multi-racial society takes to be established.
People will get feel for the "country" after they have had access to resources and opportunities.
You and others can bitch howmuch ever you want. Learn to deal wid it and STFU!
In the Great nation of India, we don't persecute a certain section of the population because they celebrate Pakistan team win and root for that team.
jaydee
2008-07-13 07:44:37
In reply to Surya
Huh yuh setting meh up man . . . just now meh other frens like vivvy (Just you and WIfan are my enemies go hate meh) . . . Yuh not serious??????????? . . . man you hate so much YOU FIGHT WARS . . . everyone knows that
The bloodshed and hatred created during the partition of India in 1947 had lengthy ramifications. A root cause was the dispute between the two nations about the region of Jammu & Kashmir which is located between them. This feud has affected both their diplomatic and political relations and their gaming rivalries.
From the beginning of the 21st century, prospects have remained bright for an enduring thaw in the relationship of the two countries, but it is a fact that for too long Indo-Pakistani cricket was equated with Indo-Pakistani war as two sides of the same coin. How horrific the scenario was can be gauged from the remarks of an Australian cricket commentator some time ago. He amused, indeed shocked, TV viewers when he began his commentary with a stark observation before the start of an India v Pakistan cricket match in the 2003 Cricket World Cup: "There is always great interest in India and Pakistan for they have fought three wars. There has been no war since 1999. So there is so much more excitement in this match". A critic may dismiss it as a diabolic sense of humour and pardon the imaginative commentator. But nevertheless it was not far from the truth - at least until recently.
FIGHTING BETWEEN Indian and Pakistani supporters marred the end of the Cricket World Cup clash in Manchester last night. After India, the underdogs, clinched victory, thousands of fans ignored pleas not to invade the pitch, where powerful firecrackers were set off.
1999
There were sporadic fights in front of the pavilion and clashes with police as they tried to persuade supporters to leave the pitch. Most of the trouble seemed to centre on a group of more than 100 Pakistani supporters who clashed with Indians and the police. The firecrackers scattered the packed crowd and injured one man, although the incident was not believed to be malicious. At least one burning Indian flag was thrown into the air.
Can't we all get along?
Surya
2008-07-13 07:54:58
In reply to jaydee
Did you get the point that there are Pak team's supporters in India(India's citizens)? Or is that Greek and Latin for your convoluted brain?
jaydee
2008-07-13 08:05:05
In reply to Surya
The same ones- where the conservative dominant group raid their mosques?
Surya
2008-07-13 08:10:51
In reply to jaydee
Answer the fugging Civil code question in the backroom..I know you are finding it hard to grasp the concept.
Do Muslims have their own civil code in the Caribbean?
dcbreds
2008-07-13 08:45:27
In reply to Surya
So there are idiots in India too. So what's your point?
jaydee
2008-07-13 08:46:53
prasad
2008-07-13 09:03:09
Did you get the point that there are Pak team's supporters in India(India's citizens)?
are they more in Hyderabad....
Surya
2008-07-13 10:05:34
In reply to dcbreds
I haven't heard any Indian captain say that the Indian team belonged to a group
dcbreds
2008-07-13 11:13:59
In reply to Surya
And? I still do not see where you are going with this. Come on, be clear about what you are saying. Or do you want to go to another Board to discuss this freely?
jacan
2008-07-13 18:31:28
The only racism in the Caribbean cricket is the peeps on this site with their hatred towards the different island
jaydee
2008-07-14 02:07:12
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-07-25 19:55:39
In reply to Boomer
By the way, when Ntini's South Africa team toured the West Indies in 2005---many WI fans rooted for Ntini South Africa team against Shiv Chanderpaul's West Indies team.
I do not recall any West Indies fans supporting Smith, Pollock, Kallis and Ntini instead of West Indies.
This appears to be a figment of your imagination.
jen
2008-07-25 19:57:41
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives Do you know what thousands of other fans did? if you do, you sure got many ah friends pal.
sensie
2008-07-25 20:00:44
In reply to Boomer
Wow!!! It's amazing how this racism thing is always convenient and opportune for certain people.
"Didn't Viv Richards said" (Patented by bata), The West Indies team is an African Team?
MarcusGarveyLives
2008-08-03 14:11:59
In reply to sensie
When did Richards say this and how many of the team were not African at the time?
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 14:44:42
In reply to sensie
Wow!!! It's amazing how this racism thing is always convenient and opportune for certain people.
"Didn't Viv Richards said" (Patented by bata), The West Indies team is an African Team
Shut yuh muddaskunt. guyanese "so-called indians" mostly support any team from the subcontinent against the Windies.....the majority of them do.
I
saw them support Sri Lanka against West Indies at the National Stadium at the last World Cup.............IT IS A FACT.
When Chanda Paaal and sarwan batting, they support them BUT they want sri Lanka to win nevertheless.
If Windies win and
Chanda and sarwan do well, yuh hear them saying "it had to be the 2 curly boys that win it fuh dem".
If Windies "loose", they happy.
I fcuking seh suh.....i see it all the rass time.
I have witnessed it ad nauseum.
richards was referring to the non-support in Guyana and Trini in 1988 when he made that statement out of his frustration.
Coming from one of the little islands, he could not understand the fcukery.
Anyone who denies that that is what happens in Guyana and Trini is a rass hypocrite.
BUT...is ok...............just admit it........I unnastan.....yuh wanna support them because yuh not guyanese...........
yuh "indian", right?? yuh from India, right?.
Waaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha.................
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 14:47:09
In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Richards said that in 1988.
To be honest, i dont think an "indian"(hahahahahahahaha) was in the windies team at the time.
lemme see..........Kalli had gone, no Chanda yet.........nah, i think it was all "african".
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha...........
Surya
2008-08-03 14:51:12
If people of West Indian descent in England support WI (instead of England), there is nothing wrong with people of Indian descent supporting subcontinental teams if they wish to.
prasad
2008-08-03 14:54:08
In reply to Surya
arent u glad that my "real" comment has been picked by big guns of cc.com........
this is my second term to b noticed after "trini mafia"......
jaydee
2008-08-03 14:56:31
Surya
2008-08-03 15:34:15
In reply to prasad
Steups! It's easy even for dimwits to recognize ass kissers. Don't let your preference for "vibgyor source" ruin your 2 minutes of glory.
krishna
2008-08-03 15:42:04
an interesting topic. have things changed?
javed
2008-08-03 15:45:28
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
richards was referring to the non-support in Guyana and Trini in 1988
well i must say that is true.... but time have change and i can tell yuhall that most of Guyanese Indian or not support the West Indies in this time of age..
javed
2008-08-03 15:48:33
in 1988 WI team was not all black .. en Larry Gomes ah mix fella...
prasad
2008-08-03 15:52:38
In reply to Surya
like it or not...Big Spuds...Keeping it "Real"..
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 16:21:39
In reply to Surya
If people of West Indian descent in England support WI (instead of England), there is nothing wrong with people of Indian descent supporting subcontinental teams if they wish to
yeah......
BUT THEY FCUKING DO NOT ADMIT THAT THEY DO.
THAT is the point i am making.........chump!
Samwells
2008-08-03 16:27:16
In reply to Surya
If people of West Indian descent in England support WI (instead of England), there is nothing wrong with people of Indian descent supporting subcontinental teams if they wish to.
Brethren that different to what
Spuds saying, if they are from the WI then they have all right to cheer for WI..If they cheer for every "black" team against England then they its clear its race they are cheering for..In the WI..if indians in Guyana and Trinidad are cheering for India,Pak,Sri Lanka,Bangladesh they they are cheering for their race because they could not be descendants of all 4 countries
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 16:29:36
In reply to javed
but time have change and i can tell yuhall that most of Guyanese Indian or not support the West Indies in this time of age
HUH??
What yuh saying man?
Try again.................that statement makes no sense.....yuh drinking again wid Narper???
Ah waiting.
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 16:31:19
In reply to Samwells
Brethren that different to what Spuds saying, if they are from the WI then they have all right to cheer for WI..If they cheer for every "black" team against England then they its clear its race they are cheering for..In the WI..if indians in Guyana and Trinidad are cheering for India,Pak,Sri Lanka,Bangladesh they they are cheering for their race because they could not be descendants of all 4 countries
bannuh........
leave dat indian fuh me to deal wid nuh!!!
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 17:13:55
Listen up Surya, yuh real indian yuh:
If a white englishman met a black man in England, of west indian ancestry, and the black man told him that he supported west indies against england, the white englishman would think nothing of it because he sees the black man as west indian.
lemme repeat that..........he sees the balck man as west indian.
However, if a black guyanese told a group of "indians" in GT that he thinks they support india against west indies, they would deny it..........they never admit to that.
If a real indian from India(maybe except Surya and prasad) saw a guyanese "indian" supporting India against west indies, he would wanna know what the fcuk was going on.
Why??
because that real indian would laugh at the guyanese "indian" who considers himself indian because he does not see him as indian....he sees him as WEST Indian........
look, dem indians in India mock the guyanese "indians" big time yeh............ask Chanda Paaaal.....ask Chanda why he likes to stick it to India so badly..........because they fact wid him in India.
A lot of guyanese indians even support anyone now against west indies....
Look...............there is a huge difference between the black man in england supporting west indies against england compared to the "indian" in Guyana supporting India against west indies.
Okay surya????................wheel and come again bannuh because yuh clueless regarding the nuances of this discussion.
But hey..............regards nevertheless!
Surya
2008-08-03 17:45:10
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
May be they are afraid that you guys will persecute them. You are so fugging paranoid about it on a frigging MB.
Look at the Trinidad experience
with two large groups but no majority and no
primacy, a different dynamic occurs. Here groups must reach out to the other large group
to gain political majority. This is added incentive to allow the other group input into the
nationalism process. It creates, in effect, a cross cutting cleavage. Both groups need each
other at the polls, so are willing to allow input from each other into national identity
formation. In this paper we will look at Trinidad and Tobago as an example of this
model.
You tell us and let the other "Indians" tell us..Do blacks feel "ownership" and make the "Indians" feel out of place?
Listen Bannuh, there is NO point in reiterating the same point over and over again expecting different results. If it's a problem, look at it from a different angle.
May be it's a generational thing.
javed
2008-08-03 17:51:03
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
that statement makes no sense.....
well i can tell yuh this i is not ah Indian ..but ah 100% Guyanese west indian. and i support my team win draw or lose and lose... cause i am what i am... and no one or nothing can change that.
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 17:55:31
In reply to javed
maaaan......read the rass stetment.
Were u saying that things change and that now, "indians" in Guyana support west indies??
I am NOT saying that YOU do not support west indies.
I KNOW some who support windies but when u come guyana next for a test against any team from the subcontinent, i want yuh rass to sit with me in the stands and then tell me after what yuh observe.
okay??
CW
2008-08-03 18:16:29
In reply to Surya
If people of West Indian descent in England support WI (instead of England), there is nothing wrong with people of Indian descent supporting subcontinental teams if they wish to.
I get the distinct impression that with you its not about who you want to support but more about who you do not want to support. In this case.. the West Indies.
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 18:23:39
In reply to Surya
Do blacks feel "ownership" and make the "Indians" feel out of place
In Guyana??
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA............
BBBBBWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
Just as i said....yuh doan have a clue bout the nuances yet yuh opening yuh rass mouth.
Look...gwaaaaaaan bwoy.ok??
javed
2008-08-03 18:31:07
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
i want yuh rass to sit with me in the stands
wait like ah getting ah free ticket.
... anyways yuh think all blacks west indian support West Indies...
Surya
2008-08-03 18:32:10
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
Man, you sound nervous..
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 18:32:15
In reply to Surya
May be it's a generational thing
generational my ass.
Yuh grandfather generation had a problem wid the pakistanis; yuh father generation had a problem wid pakistanis and ur facting generation HAS a problem wid pakistanis.
Doan bring no generational crap in this.
The same situation wid windies support exists in Guyana today.
Now learn and kerry yuh skunt and deal with the pakis.................aight??
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 18:33:58
In reply to javed
no..............and????? But it has nutten to do with the fact that the team is "african" fuh the most part.
try again......dat was very weak.
Oh, and by the way..........of course it's an invitation....anytime dude.
Surya
2008-08-03 18:41:50
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
BTW, that link was NOT a YouTube link wid a Bushie shaking her ass, aite!
javed
2008-08-03 18:42:30
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
the team is "african"
that was then.... now we have
Shiv
Sarwan
Ramdin
Ganga
Chattergoon
Emrit
Rampaul
Deonarine
Jaggarnaut
...
..
.
SpudsMcKenzie
2008-08-03 18:46:57
In reply to javed
Oh...yuh getting specific wid the current team.
the vast majority of black people have always supported west indies and continue to do so.
the vast majority of "indians" have always supported india etc and most still do, tho not as much as previously.
regards!!
PS: By the way.when last have u been in Guyana to watch a team from the subcontinent?
tell me the last 3 times..........THANKS!
javed
2008-08-03 18:51:57
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
PS: By the way.when last have u been in Guyana to watch a team from the subcontinent?
not of early nor not of late..
jaydee
2008-08-03 19:44:23
Indian Caribbean people support primarily the Caribbean because they are an essential component of the Caribbean-They have right of place just like any other group-They don't have to ask permission to be, they already are; they don't have to support what they are not, because they already are.
They may admire subcontinental teams, some may admire South African teams and Amla, other English and Monty; but in the end they know that here they are home and they belong . . .Kanhai belongs, Sonny belongs, and Sarwan is here . . .
Some may reflect on Chanderpaul being pelted but that is not the point, Chanderpaul's life ins inextricably integrated with these islands
Surya
2008-08-03 19:46:11
In reply to jaydee
Bannuh, don't extrapolate from Trinidad to Guyana,eh?
Samwells
2008-08-03 19:49:40
In reply to jaydee
They may admire subcontinental teams
Admiring and cheering for is 2 different things...Spuds has suggested that the Indo-Guyanese and Ind-Trinis cheer for the subcontinent teams when they playing against WI...thats fcuked up if its so
Surya
2008-08-03 19:51:10
Go on brothers..Cheer those subcontinental teams..That's where your cricketers' future lies.
jaydee
2008-08-03 19:52:49
Samwells
2008-08-03 19:54:15
In reply to Surya I alwys knew your primary purpose on this MB was to try and divide...if u try long enough you migh suckseed
jaydee
2008-08-03 19:55:18
Who loves you?
The match, which was reduced to a 48-overs a side following a 30-minute delayed start due to overnight dew, once again witnessed crowd trouble which held up the game for about 15 minutes. [b]The disruption, which came in the 16th over when some missiles were thrown at Ramnaresh Sarwan, forced the reduction of the game by one more over per side.
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Unlike in Jamshedpur where they had snatched a last-ball victory after stumbling in the final overs, West Indies sailed smoothly this time with all the batsmen chipping in with useful scores and building partnerships.
Samwells
2008-08-03 19:55:51
In reply to jaydee for once we on the same page..read my lass post to Shitya
Surya
2008-08-03 19:56:54
In reply to Samwells & jaydee
jcveletta
2008-08-03 21:29:56
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
man spuds, you just keeping it real mate.
Peace!
jc
goofballs
2008-08-03 22:42:32
Man, some people like Pythagoras here, trying to prove some theory that Indian people racist because they may or may not support a team or admire a particular player, like Gavaskar in my days for showing Sobers et al where barley das grow!
It was such an insult to me as a fourteen year old for the other race to assume and even accuse Indians that they are backing India when they toured the WI in 1971 for first time in two decades. I think Kalli was accused of selling out to India because he didn't make a century in every match. Just shows people mindset and who are the racists...or were harboring racist thoughts.
Being "totally non-biased" I would have to think that there is a conspiracy to prove that because Guyanese Indian people didn't quite drop all their culture and adapt all the black habits in spite of state sponsored coercion, they must be racists.
No dhall,aloo,flour/roti.
No jobs, scholarships for higher education,etc.
The Indian people so emotionally challenged that inspite of leaving their motherland four decades ago for aloo and roti, they still refer to that place as home (except for Boomer?)and support that team.
(I prefer Fulham,DC United, Baltimor Orioles and Washington Redskins)...but I do have a right to my choices,no?
And....Yes, India and WI, not necessarily in that order!
If you are not with the black supremists you must be against them or racist? Not really, but if you looking for something,you will find it (in your mind at least).
There is nothing wrong to be excited about one's people of origin, if we know who they are, especially if they achieve something of substance....perfectly natural.
On the other hand, charity begins at home...and even if your mother was the most abusive person to you or she beat up your father daily, when all is said and done you will go back to your mother first rather than strangers or distant relatives like great grandparents.
So, what's up with this mass orgasmic spewage spilling out here about this non West Indian Obama fella?
Is it because he has an excellent cover drive?
I do like him a lot, but not for his cover drive.
Surya
2008-08-03 22:48:22
In reply to goofballs
Blazing guns, goofie!
Surya
2008-08-03 22:51:35
In reply to goofballs
Under the name of keeping it "real", Spuds spews a lot of garbage and people are very happy to consume it.
BallOil
2008-08-03 23:12:20
In reply to goofballs
So, what's up with this mass orgasmic spewage spilling out here about this non West Indian Obama fella?
Is it because he has an excellent cover drive?
I do like him a lot, but not for his cover drive.
spot on..
you can't judge di man before he play the shot though...
goofballs
2008-08-03 23:15:28
In reply to Surya
Blazing guns, goofie!
The victim speaks!
goofballs
2008-08-03 23:17:48
In reply to BallOil Is nice to see young stars get a chance.
Saw that drive of Xavier?
Surya
2008-08-03 23:20:25
In reply to SpudsMcKenzie
What fugging nuances, chump? Listen carefully. Britain is very comfortable with it's ethnic diversity. When Guyana reaches that level , talk to me.
Fear of persecution prevents Indians from advertising their support to subcontinental, like West Indians do in Britain.
You have to give developed countries their due. It's exactly in these kind of aspects developed countries are likely to fare better and rectify their past mistakes.
You on the otherhand go around with a big chip on your shoulder, whining incessantly.
Now, run along!
None of you have the gumption to admit "racism" in your selection policies.Yet you bitch about "support".
Verstehen
2008-08-03 23:46:17
In reply to goofballs
Precisely.
Some Guyanese people are accused of supporting India and other sub continent teams.
In that case why do so many people on this MB support Obama when he has nothing f*cking whatsoever to do with them?
Verstehen
2008-08-03 23:46:45
In reply to Surya
SpudsM mostly dribbles in his old age, the skunt!
Surya
2008-08-03 23:49:55
In reply to Verstehen
To be fair Spuds' complaint is that Indians in Guyana are not forthcoming about their support to subcontinental teams like the West Indians in Britain.
Britain is an advanced society and accepts ethnic diversity. Apparently there are racial tensions in Guyana and Indians fear persecution.
Verstehen
2008-08-03 23:53:18
In reply to Surya
Don't be fair to SpudsM, he doesn't need it.
goofballs
2008-08-03 23:55:08
In reply to Surya I heard is the other way around now?
The Injuns in power.
Haven't been there since age 16/17.
Surya
2008-08-03 23:57:46
In reply to goofballs
Do you think Spuds is more bitter because of that?
goofballs
2008-08-04 00:45:26
In reply to Surya Don't know this Spuds fellow, but allegedly is a QC boy. 
Not the one who held up the taxi?
Mebbe he is an agent provocateur?
Don't even know if he is Indian, black, white, brown or red.
Shouldn't really matter re. the subject matter.
Re. support.
In the good days, was customary to cheer the home team as well as the visitors for good cricket shots,fielding or bowling....lil moe than the lil polite English clapping.
So, when I jumped up and down at the sight of my hero Doug Walters going down the track so elegantly to drive Elquemedo Willet all over Bourda, nobody called me a racist?
Doug Walters was one of the best players of spin bowling in the 1970s and he showed his mastery as Australia chose to bat first. Walters had been going through a lean trot over the previous year but now he came good with
