In reply to Larr Pullo

I am very surprise his bowling has not improved in the last year and he does not have a change delivery.

Wesley

In reply to CricketLuva4 haha, yeah man.

And panesar needs to vary his bowling more. he's around the 54 kph all the time. he needs to go down to early 70's now and again.

In reply to hewesleyb

I can see that you realize that a slower ball doesnt really count as variation, it has become a necessity for a pace bowler to have.

In reply to CricketLuva4 Monty slower ball does not fool anyone he needs to develope a ball that straightens to the right hander/ or better yet turns into the right hander. If not he will continue to decline.



Wesley

In reply to hewesleyb

Its called an arm ball, and he has it. If you are thinking of the chinaman, then Im not too sure how that will work out, it will be too easy to pick due to him being a finger spinner and the chinaman bowled with the wrists.

In reply to hewesleyb Panesar needs to bowl with more flight consistently and a lot more slower speeds. When it's not turning, batsman will play his fast flat bowling with ease.

In reply to jen

I heard he was compared to Bedi. Bowl with flight, and tempt the batsmen to hit over the top, then his variations will kick in.

In reply to CricketLuva4 He use to bowl with good flight against pakistan in england. he was never the same again after. People now saying he bowling too flat mostly.

In reply to jen

He bowled flat because there was more generous turn from the lefties rough, it was part bowler and part skippers fault. The captain should of moved sliiy-point to a slip, and he should tempt a cover-drive out of the rough with flight. If he gets an edge, rather than going for runs, he could get a wicket.

In reply to CricketLuva4 i guess it's monty, he's been told many ah times to variate more but he hasn't been doing that.

In reply to jen

Thats when the skipper needs to take the situation into his hands. He needs to inform Monty where and how to bowl and set the right field to that.

Listen these gutless mindless Pommies only superceeded by the Windies. Actually they are probably worse since theoretically they have more to work with. These Pommies were mentally and physically whipped since that first test declaration and follow on enforcement.

Imagine they had Harmlesson in the squad and did not play him because of the so called wicket when this was the deciding test for them. If he did not play then, why bother now.

Panasar is becoming so one dimensional its not funny. He bowls at one speed all the time. No guile and variation. What else can you say other than the better team won. This is a serious ass wuppin to lay down on the home team.

In reply to CricketLuva4 Thanks for explination of the arm ball /chinaman maybe that is the limitations of a finger spinner v wrist spinner. Whatever the reason Monty failed to deliver today, that said if appears he had Smith cought behind at 85 and umpire missed it.


Wesley

In reply to hewesleyb

Its very difficult for the umpire to pick up those glove/bat-pads. and to go into a little more detail about the arm-ball vs the Chinaman, is fairly simple.

They both turn the same way, but the arm ball 'goes on with the arm'. That means despite spin put on the ball to turn away from the right-hander, the ball comes in with the arm, hence getting the batsman playing down the wrong line.

The Chinaman, is a mirror image leg break, and turns into the right-hander with the wrist instead of with the arm.



Sorry for going into so much detail.

In reply to jen WI should pay Attention to KENROY PETERS, i think he's better than Collins....This guys moves it both ways.

In reply to Larr Pullo

It might have been slightly more accurate to state that

since this was the case at Edgbastion.

So far as the case for Harmlessone's selection at Edgbaston was concerned:

In Harmlessone's 9 tests against South Africa to date, he has taken 18 wickets at 59.55 each.

In Harmlessone's 3 tests at Edgbaston, he has taken 5 wickets at 68.2 each.
These facts may or may not have had a bearing on his non-selection.

England are stupid for getting rid of a proven bowler like Hoggard, and placing so much on Sidebottom, who is a mere NZ bully. He has nothing on Hoggard, and I think that all the talk about West Indies this n West Indies that, England is one of THE worst places to have a career, ESPECIALLY as a fast bowler. They're too critical of persons, and never seem to know how to handle certain situations. That is why when I make my predictions for who is going to be the next super power in cricket, I never rate them, because they always foul up with something or the other.

People say that C Jordan would do better trying for England, but tell me what makes anyone think that shit lol. Look at how many better bowlers are there on the sidelines, while lesser bowlers are in their places. James Anderson is not better or nearly as penetrative as Hoggard was, and I fail to see why a man who was not even "over the hill" could not be allowed to have a bad series, after being England's most consistent bowler for years. It was hoggard who ripped S.A. to pieces IN S.A.

In reply to Bim4Life
How did he do against West Indies?

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives
Forgot about that..... he only played one series against us tho, so to call him our bully is not really as justifiable as callin him a NZ bully. He played back to back series, and 41 of his 76 wickets are against them. He has not done well in conditions that aren't similar to England so I will maintain that he can't see Hoggard.

In reply to Bim4Life

Sidebottom's only played 3 test matches outside the UK that were not in New Zealand - Sri Lanka is the only place other than New Zealand that England have toured since his recall to the team. I see he took 5 wickets at 63.6 (his first overseas test tour) compared to Vass' 11 at 29.18 in the same series (a reasonable comparison in terms of method?) and Hoggard's 7 at 29.28 and Harmison's 6 at 35.83.

Sidebottom is a home bully then?

In reply to doosra
Are far as I can see, Englnd have only played two overseas tours since he was recalled to the test team.

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

is he suggesting permanance to you? or an ability to bowl people out overseas? What were his figures like SL?

In reply to doosra

His performance in Sri Lanka appear above for anyone who wishes to read them.

By way of footnote, and whether or not it is considered relevant, the England wicketkeeper on that tour, Prior, lost his place in the England team having dropped several chances off Sidebottom's bowling in that series.

In reply to MarcusGarveyLives

Ironically , they dropPED Mustard after the ODI leg of the NZ tour after he had scored some good runs. Prior also scored runs on that SL tour.

By way of footnote (tm MGL), dropping catches is part and parcel of this great game. Bowlers from time immemorial recieved this unkind treatment...

wot u think?