This isn`t intended to give you heart attack..but it shows how..in jamaica, and out of many one nation, Indian and African Jamaicans can live together in unity and love, happily ever after.

Hope this can inspire you not to give in the ism insticts of your heart.

Honesty and Love..beautiful thats true.

Isn`t it ironic that honesty and love are two of your weakest points?

In reply to garyg

Look at some beautiful kids to follow .... brilliant too.

In reply to garyg

The groom cheating...he nah wearing ah dhoti Well, I hope he took her last name..

In reply to HumbleCalf

Dem weddings can't tek place a Canada man...what? Family either kill black man or kill daughter

In reply to Trojan

Jamaica mek everything better man ..... mek the backward people dem turn forward..... mek normal runners run well fast...and all dem tings.

In reply to garyg

is that a real Indian?

In reply to camos

no the chap is ah Jamaican, just a little red.. Is the Indian seasoning mek he look suh...di runnings fuh him

In reply to HumbleCalf

Raise my beer to that man. "Out Of Many One People", speaks volume bout us. Big up Jamaica. I can't wait to retire so I can go back on the rock and live it up. Retirement...my god, another 30 years for that

In reply to BallOil

what di skunt red about dat chap?

Son, your people are about 3000 years late to the party.
But welcome anyways. Glad to see your tiny rock moving progressively towards civilization.

In reply to WIfan

Indians have been marrying blacks 3000 yrs ago in India?

In reply to thefan

No, but there never was any racism in India before the Europeans started extending their influence in the 1700s. There still is very little racism in India today by rest of the world's standards- you see people of all colors,looks and shade in all levels of Indian society- from a very fair 'untouchable' to a very very dark Brahmin. There were no black people in India back then (and even today, there are very few- most of those who were brought forth as slaves by the Arab-islamists and the EUropeans have been assimilated long since) but there never has been any restrictions between Indians marrying others, Chinese, tribals, whites etc.

Which is why the FACT is, India is the most diverse nation genetically on this planet. That has been confirmed by the human genome project and forget other nations, no region can compete with India's stunning genetic diversity - only the entire continent of Africa - over 9 times as large as India - can supersede it in genetic diversity and that is largely due to the saharan barrier, where caucasoid people have lived for countless millenias, largely seperated from intermingling with the sub-saharan blacks.

If we were so resistant to intermarriage, our cultural and societerial imprint wouldnt be still visible from Greece to Vietnam today - considering that no INdian empire of recorded history went beyond Afghanistan-Iran border in the west, Arakan ranges in the east and Tibetan plateau in the north.

In reply to WIfan

What part of that photo evidences racism in Jamaica?

There are marriage restrictions that are practised based on religion, race, color and caste.

We are all genetically connected. Guyana's population is made of of those same most genetically diverse indians and blacks plus europeans, aboriginal indians and chinese. At least a third of Guyana and Trinidad's population is of mixed race. So India can shove its ethnic and genetic diversity becuase there's more in those little spaces.

In reply to thefan

????
Where did i say it did ??



Indeed. But ours is far more relaxed in that regard than most other cultures - which is why we are such a genetically diverse bunch.



Err no. Indo-Guyanese mostly come from one distinct location in India : the central gangetic plains. What i said - India's genetic diversity is the greatest for any nation, is a well documented fact in the field of genetics. Our mtDNA drift is the largest in any populace. We too have our share of white genes (FYI, the 'white' mutation - gene for blue eyes and blonde hair actually arose in India 20-25,000 years ago), chinese, tibeto-burman, central asian, etc- most of which is lacking in the caribbean.

I agree that the picture of the mixed marriage between an Afro Jamaican and an Indo Jamaican shows a beautiful reflection of your society but remember that happens in Trinidad on a regular basis at every level of society.Whenever I go to Trinidad I am always amazed at the mix between the two main races,this is sometimes reflected by the surnames of the people.I have met people who at first look Afro but they have Indo surnames,sometimes you meet people you think are Indo
but are really Dougla,I suspect that TT ethnic mix would be watered down to a very high percentage in another 25 years,which would be better for Trinis.

In reply to garyg

interesting how powerful love is eh?
passes all understanding...

I am glad you put the warning up for WIFAN and...well.they know who they are.

..we would not want CC.com charged vicariously with inducing heart attacks in its badminded backward thinking posters.

good on you.

In reply to garyg

if dem wanna live for a long time dem betta run outa Jamaica.....

Some people behaving as if this is a rare thing in Jamaica.This is a common occurence in the Island.
The only reason there is this publicity is the social class ladder of the people involved,upper class peeps,etc.
Jamaica full of this,formal or informal relationships and whatever type of marriage.

In reply to hubert

Quite so..but I am not just teaching WI Fan to become more civilised by trying overcome racist instincts..but also showing inspirational examples.

Read horrible stories of situations in WIFan`s country where Indian fiance's were threatened with death or the the possibility of being ostracised from her family if he/she marry and African. Was so sad..she had to chose between her familiy and the love of her life..all because of a foolish and wicked, racist pre-historic tradition(Jala shared one stroy in america hwere the african daughter in law was apparently murdered..thats to the un-civilised tradition).

WI Fan himself seem to be somewhat a victim of racist instinct himself..made it clear he doesn`t care/love the black community.

That can be because of internal tendencies or outward influences..well I am inspiring him with the happinees anad love that can spring forth..if he can throw off those tendencies..become more ciciled and no longer enslaved by such things.

Quite so.

In reply to powen001

Quite so.

In reply to Trojan Dont know bout dat bro.. My cousin(black) married to a Guyanese(Indian). Brought together families from Guy and Jam. Nuff Soca Bangra an Reggae buss down the place.

In reply to WIfan

All dat sand in your hair cannot be good.



Indians in Guyana have come from all over india but the majority came from one area. But there are afghans who migrated to guyana and arabs who came for business. We have our share of white genes too, remember they were fcukin running the slave society?? Plus, we have our share of black gene too. And aboriginal gene too but you'll tell me that India has aboriginals too, right?

Funny how de races mixup bad bad wheyevva in de Caribbean duh sey duh got dis racism gine. At least in Bim de Indians don' mix wid nuhbody else. Duh don' play cricket. Don' play sports in general. Don' guh to Crop Ova. De only Indians I see at Crop Ova is de Guyanese.

In reply to thefan

All i am telling you is that India is hands down the most genetically diverse nation on this planet - if you want proof, i can show you proof. No one nation even REMOTELY comes close to matching India's genetic diversity and hell, no region barring the entire continent of Africa is more diverse genetically. Which means India is more diverse than ENTIRE north america or caribbean & south America, Asia (minus India) or Europe.
This wouldn't be possible if we were resistant to interracial marriages.

In reply to WIfan

Present your proof

Absolute bullshit. India has had no significant aboriginal, white or black populations. Marriage has been largely caste driven, which is often color driven.

In reply to thefan

- from Wikipedia

Now, follow the reference ( # 50) from the statement i just quoted and find it in the bibliography. The link leads to a pdf file download (instead of an url) from the US library of congress - a source as impeccable as any.

Game, set and match, fanbwoy.

In reply to WIfan

Wikipedia????

Did you just alter that reference before you posted it?

In reply to thefan

Wikipedia is quoting the US library of congress - a source that is universally used even by doctorial level students in universities across the world when applicable.
Punto finale.

PS: Its been many months since you could alter a wikipedia link at your whim - wikipedia's locked articles (which are the preface of every nation's articles ) cannot be modified before ratification by the wikipedia moderation board.

In reply to WIfan

Nice try buddy:

I've highlighted the portions that you should re-read carefully before coming here with your assertions.

In reply to thefan

It does in fact, a rich tradition.

Here, for example

Or here

Or read this.

In reply to thefan

What you've highlighted doesnt contradict my assertions one iota. I said that India is the most genetically diverse entity barring a continent thats 9 times its size. Your quote (which you should provide a link for to substantiate) says exactly the same.

In reply to thefan

Have to agree with WIFAN's argument in this case.

This is what he said initially:

In reply to WIfan

The report stated as follows:

It refers to all 3 areas of diversity. THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM SOLELY REFERRING TO GENETIC DIVERSITY.

In reply to thefan

And of all three, i talked of only one- so ? India is also hands down the most linguistically diverse nation too - and we have so many cultures within us. Look - India is no ordinary nation- it is a nation like no other- to get an idea of what india is, imagine the EU being one single nation and France,England,Germany etc. ebcomming states in the said nation with their own languaeg,customs adn culture- then you'd get india.

In reply to WIfan

But your proof does not support your argument and contention. 3 is not 1 but then again as an Indian coming from a civilization that gave the modern world mathematics, I would bet you can show me proof that ancient indian thinkers found that 3 together is the same value as 1 apart

In reply to thefan

yes it does, if you bothered reading the pdf link that leads to the US congress library ( it is a very long article).



I was only talking about the 1. In each and every of those 3 categories ( as the link i posted demonstrates), India as a nation has no parallel or even outside competition.
What you are exhibiting is a classic comprehension error - the statement 'india is the most diverse geographic entity except the entire African continent in genetic, linguistic and cultural terms' signifies the superlative status of India in EACH AND EVERY field, not three combined because there is no social science or sociological precedent in lumping all three into one category. Culture has nothing to do with genes and vice versa.

In reply to WIfan

No show us the Headley tapes yuh lying skunt

I'm new to this forum....been reading for the past year and I find the conversations very hilarious at times. I live in the UK and see at lot of different cultures. I don't know how people can say that Jamaica is moving towards civilisation when here in the UK people of Indian and Pakistani decent constantly kill their daughters / sisters if they marry someone from the wrong culture / wrong religion. That's just crazy. I'm not saying Jamaica is the most civilised place on the planet but hey..........

In reply to WIfan




How can India be more genetically diverse than the USA ?

In reply to Jaffo

Quite so.
I actually posted that pic to show how civilised ja is compared to India, pakistan and other places where the daughter would be murdered.(one was actually murdered in the USA recently too, well the african daughter in law was murdered)

You are only confirming the horror stories i hear coming out of india re indians marrying africans.

Well WI Fan is known as the forum liar and is always spinning and twisting things.
So if he says Ja is moving towards civilisation.....then places where the daughters would be killed to marry an african..is still in the dark ages.

Ja is the most civilised country when it comes to race relations..out of many one people...is our motto.

In reply to camos

Because we've had immigration for FAR longer, from a whole host of regions of this world. Read up on Indian history and find out. Asia is also a pretty big fugging place and has hosted the most diverse and largest human population for times stretching back to caveman days or so.

In reply to garyg

This is rich, comming from the inhabitant of the murder capital of the world.
Bahahahahahahahahaha.



Yet, when it comes to marrying Africans, Indians are probably the most leanient/most-forthcomming group - history certainly shows that we've intermingled with the afros far more readily than the whites, arabs or the east asians. Like i said before bannuh, blind fanaticism will kill you in blind ignorance. Sad but true.



pfffft. The caribbean is probably the most racially INSECURE place on this planet, which is why you and your people obsess about race so much. Saying that your country is the most civilized when it comes to race relations is akin to conferring the doctorate on the biggest nutbar in the nuthouse.
Hahahahaha.

In reply to WIfan

How the fcuk is that country more genetically diverse than a country like the USA or the UK with large immigrant populations?

In Guyana, there is a significant percentage of Indians of Indo-Aryan and Dradivian stock in addition to European, Aboriginal, African, Middle Eastern, Mongoloid races.

In reply to thefan

Umm..because you idiot, the demarcation is on linguistic lines, not genetic. Saying 72% of India is Indo-Aryan is like saying 99% of America is Indo-European - which again, is a true statement.
Your lack of ignorance on the issue is evident - but it is clear that you neither like the truth or are prepared to educate yourself on it, which is why you keep fighting it despite knowing nothing about it.



Sir, i am quoting you what is a FACT. That India is the most genetically diverse nation on this planet is a genetic fact, proven comprehensively by the human genome project - whatever the fcuk th reasons are, you are in no position to challenge it. Kapische ?

Like i said before, your pitiful excuse for a nation is just a drop in the bucket for some of the older, far more diverse nations on this planet..your region isnt very diverse at all, but you are very much unawares of it.
Funny.

In reply to WIfan

Could you indicate how, when and where the human genome project has proven comprehensively that India is the most genetically diverse nation on this planet?

In reply to thefan

All this you can look up in the net yourself - what i am quoting is a fact. You questioned it, i provided proof - links to impeccable sources. As far as i am concerned, i have successfully dismissed your challenge- further query into this field should be on YOUR onus. Not mine.

As i said, you are remarkably ignorant in this issue and it is evident by you quoting a linguistic demarcation ( Seventy-two percent of the population is Indo-Aryan, 25 percent Dravidian, and 3 percent Mongoloid and other.) and confusing it with genetics.
The white racists and their reactionary afro-racists have successfully filled your mind with the BS that indo-aryans and dravidians are 'racially' different. its funny to see clueless barbarians from infantile few century old tiny dot cultures having such ridiculous notions about India despite having very little acutal knowledge of the land and the culture that gave us civilization.

In reply to garyg

You do like a challenge ,don't you ?
Trying to get blood out of stone ?

In reply to WIfan

I'm waiting on you to tell me how, when and where did the human genome project study genetic diversity by country, region or ethnic group!!!

In reply to thefan

Good stump .... him way out him crease now!!!

In reply to np

You are as dishonest as it gets - you mek racist comments then run away like a likke bwoy, then call me racist (Without any proof whatsoever), overlook the obvious racism of your brothers (which i pointed out to you) and now you are comming up behind this ignoramus, despite me having proven my case already.

I've known for a long time that Rastamen have no integrity, but you take it to a new level.

In reply to thefan

I am still waiting for your acknowledgement that i've proven my case with impeccable citations. I am not a biogeneticist, i cannot get in the details.The details are irrelevant as well - how,when and where the project concludede that is not the issue- the issue is that the project concluded that and the proof i posted (as links) confirms this. End of story- i made a statement, you challenged it and i backed it up. Your challenge is destroyed by the facts i've presented. Punto finale.
I made a statement and i backed it up with proof. Now its up to you to accept it or keep wallowing in your ignorance but i have nothing left to prove on this topic whatsoever.
Over and out.

Dalits, sometimes called Untouchables in the Indian caste system, are people who according to traditional Indian society are regarded as low caste. In traditional Indian society there are 5 castes "creating a social stratification that has existed for 1500 years" [1]. In this caste system, Dalits are considered the 5th caste and are treated as Untouchables. They suffer the social segregation and ramifications of discrimination. Dalits are a mixed population of numerous caste groups all over India. Though India is the most genetically diverse nation in the world[2] [3] , caste differentiation between Indians is regarded by many as a social construct between Indian people and does not have a genetic basis[4]. Genetic testing further indicates that as a whole, Indian genetic groups do not show a great affinity to any non South-Asian groups [4].

Wiki

Dunno why you all arguing with Liadfan about genetics when you all supposed to know that India's racism is a social aspect.

In reply to WIfan

That citation is equivocal. As I stated, 3 separate concepts does not equal 1. In fact, until you can prove that the Human Genome Project has studied and presented data on genetic diversity by country, region or ethnic group, your point about India's genetic diversity is an absolute irrevocable and insurmountable crock of shit. I need you to substantiate your argument that India is the most genetically diverse nation on the planet by showing genetic data and don't look at the Human Genome Project because they haven't done that.