as his VP
SHE is from Alaska
i just saw it on CNN
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Breaking news McCain picks Sarah Palin as VP
2008-08-29 10:49:07
2008-08-29 10:52:21
i think the race is on now and it will be closer than 2000
2008-08-29 10:58:04
well played by McCain!
all those disgruntled women that think Obama shafted Hillary now have a new beacon to flock to.
2008-08-29 10:59:23
In reply to defeyeant
Hillary is in the fight of her political life!
McSame just got Hillary's attention BIG TIME 
2008-08-29 11:00:13
In reply to defeyeant
If they flock behind Palin...it will not be because Hillary got shafted...but if thats the current Hype yuh want to believe..yuh entitled.
2008-08-29 11:02:34
In reply to defeyeant
if that happens it will show what JACKASSES AMERICANS ARE
because they would have voted ignorantly, and be the same as everyone else around the third world
2008-08-29 11:03:03
In reply to powen001
there are still tonnes of women who said they would never vote Obama , they vex cause they want a woman in the white house. I think a proportion of them will at least think of going with Palin if she proves herself in anyways capable.
If biden cancels out Mccain then Obama vs Palin is Obama vs Hillary deux
2008-08-29 11:03:56
In reply to cricketmygame
wait so you feel them americans smarter than third world people fa true. my argument has almost been that the majority are intellectually inferior.
2008-08-29 11:06:09
In reply to defeyeant
wait so you feel them americans smarter than third world people fa true.
I think Americans on the East and West Coast are
the ones in Middle America are dumb as a door knob
2008-08-29 11:08:57
In reply to cricketmygame
ha ha ha
2008-08-29 11:11:48
In reply to cricketmygame
I said earlier that i believed that the logical thing for Obama to do was to select Hillary as his VP. Well.....
Must admit this was a masterstroke by the Mccain too.
If the Oman loses..he will live to regret to picking Hillary..unless he asked her and she refused.
2008-08-29 11:15:12
In reply to garyg
Hillary must be smiling.
2008-08-29 11:22:26
i wonder what McCain is going to say about Obama's inexperience now
2008-08-29 11:29:28
McGramps losin it. He pick dis young ting, who is "inexperienced", at least by his definition, who won ah Ms SomeWhere pageant and who did ah photo shoot fuh ah fashion mag, so she qualifies as ah "celebrity" by his definition. She is also under investigation fuh firing her ex brother-in-law....
Good choice McGramps.
2008-08-29 11:32:42
In reply to Trinidave
thanks for spotting the walking contradictions that several posters seemed to have missed..or conveniently ignored bro.
2008-08-29 11:35:44
On July 11, 2008, Governor Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down.[45][46] Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[47] In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (at the stepson's request), and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.[48]
Governor Palin asserts that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[49] Palin acknowledges that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan.[49] Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions.
In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time."[50] The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary.[51] The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.[49][52]
Wooten and the police union alleged that the governor had improperly released his employment files in his divorce case. However, McCann's attorney released a signed waiver from Wooten demonstrating that Wooten had authorized the release of his files through normal discovery procedures.
Governor Palin asserts that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues."[49] Palin acknowledges that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan.[49] Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions.
In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time."[50] The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary.[51] The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.[49][52]
Wooten and the police union alleged that the governor had improperly released his employment files in his divorce case. However, McCann's attorney released a signed waiver from Wooten demonstrating that Wooten had authorized the release of his files through normal discovery procedures.
Make of this what you want.
2008-08-29 11:39:48
In reply to Dukes
so not only did he pick a young inexperienced woman but one with dirt in her past. good move!
2008-08-29 11:44:34
Brilliant move by Mccain imo. Playing to the disgruntled Hilary Voters. For those who question Falin's experience, Mccain holds the experience on this Ticket. IMo Obama screwed up by not selecting Hilary as his Vp, and unfortunately may have to pay for it.
BTW I supported Hilary for the Primaries. She was the more experienced Pick, and had the most successful President (economically) behind her. I was hoping that Clinton would win and have Obama as her Vp giving him the necessary experience to run for President in 8 Years. I believe that the Republicans wanted Obama to win as they felt he was the easier of the two to defeat. In the Open Primaries some of the Republicans may have voted for Obama to ensure this.
With this VP Pick by Mccain.. The Race is definitely on!
2008-08-29 11:48:14
In reply to voiceofreason
IMo Obama screwed up by not selecting Hilary as his Vp, and unfortunately may have to pay for it.
Lissen. De Hillary supporters who vote fuh McCain not going tuh vote fuh McCain becuase he have dis young ting as his running mate. Dey voting fuh McCain because dey vex wid de Dems. Dat young ting can only do damage tuh McGramps. And is not about who holds de experience. If someting happens tuh de Pres, de VPee steps in as Pres. McCain is already 72 yrs old. Alzheimers soon kick in... His VPee going be Pres.
2008-08-29 11:54:52
In reply to Trinidave
fuh McCain not going tuh vote fuh McCain becuase he have dis young ting as his running mate. Dey voting fuh McCain because dey vex wid de Dems
Let us just say this. If the Woman speaks to their concerns and needs then she may have an effect. Early Days yet.
If someting happens tuh de Pres, de VPee steps in as Pres. McCain is already 72 yrs old. Alzheimers soon kick in...
That is the major concern over this Pick.
2008-08-29 11:56:16
In reply to voiceofreason Your understanding of American politics is even less extensive than your grasp of West Indian cricket.I truly did not think that was a possibilty.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-08-29 11:58:32
In reply to Dukes
Please specify what you speak of.
Rgds
Vor.
2008-08-29 11:59:44
In reply to Trinidave
If someting happens tuh de Pres, de VPee steps in as Pres. McCain is already 72 yrs old. Alzheimers soon kick in... His VPee going be Pres
True dat!
It would be clever if the democrats slip in a "freudian" slip here and there and refer to her as the "Republican presidential nominee"
Olympics ain't got nutten on this. This is going to be the biggest race of the year! And I have a feeling one is going to be like Asafa and the other Bolt.
2008-08-29 12:02:40
In reply to Dukes
our understanding of American politics is even less extensive than your grasp of West Indian cricket
i feel sorry for VOR because his understanding on WI is so low that to have something that he knows and understands less about just seems impossible
2008-08-29 12:04:56
In reply to BlessHead
is going to be the biggest race of the year!
Mccain is truly a Maverick. Unpredictable. Changed the Pace of the Race.
2008-08-29 12:06:23
Dukes has egg on his face with another "my sources" fcuk up. He is trying to get out of it by insulting VOR.
2008-08-29 12:06:30
In reply to cricketmygame
Why you all always act like you know all. Disgust me. Phew!
2008-08-29 12:07:18
In reply to Dukes
Your understanding of American politics is even less extensive than your grasp of West Indian cricket.I truly did not think that was a possibilty.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ouch.
Dat's below de belt. Which in your case means below de armpits.
2008-08-29 12:08:57
In reply to Surya
You know.
2008-08-29 12:12:33
In reply to Trinidave
Below Duke's Armpit must be stank with all that left over Hair from his Sideburns... No thanks.
2008-08-29 12:12:51
For someone who understands American politics,Dukes has facted up two VP picks. Do you think it's West Indies to leak that info on a Jamaican or Trini talkshow?
2008-08-29 12:20:27
Well a little sampling of conservative radio show they are all giddy and bursting with joy at the Palin pick – it surprises me – will just have to wait and see how things shakes out.
2008-08-29 12:21:26
The Palin Pick is a brilliant one! Outside the Box! I maintain my belief in that. It will change the Game.
2008-08-29 12:27:38
In reply to voiceofreason
VOR..I am so happy that yu backing McCain...
ah mean...lets look at your prowess in picking winning teams in cricket!!
tnx bro..
Victory is secured...it was written!
2008-08-29 12:35:38
In reply to powen001
Boss. Where did I say I was backing Mccain? I just said this is a brilliant Pick and that Obama's decision not to select Hilary was not a good one. I on the Sidelines enjoying the Show.... Me ent have no pick.
It was written.
2008-08-29 12:38:42
What a sign of desparation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't get no Hillary votes with this pick.
She's Pro Life, Card Carrying NRA. So responsive.
The Republicans have officially become the Democrats of the last 16 years. Reacting and stumbling over themselves.
Its really a pitiful state to see how the mighty have fallen.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
2008-08-29 12:40:54
In reply to voiceofreason
The Palin Pick is a brilliant one! Outside the Box! I maintain my belief in that. It will change the Game.
Sadly on face value you could very well be right – time will tell
2008-08-29 12:41:32
In reply to voiceofreason
For you to think that picking a woman - just any woman would lead all women en mass to McCain is beneath you man. It suggests that you think women are foolish.
The women who most vocally supported Hillary believed rightfully that Hillary was a champion of women's rights, and a champion of the white lower working class. To be blunt.
Women running en mass behind McCain because of this pick would be like Black people running behind George Bush if he picked Allan Keyes. Ain't gonna happen.
2008-08-29 12:42:09
Powen, VOR's non-WI wagons have a winning record ,bro
2008-08-29 12:44:42
If mccain wins....an Alaskan woman could be President....in waiting.
2008-08-29 12:45:25
In reply to primedog
This is my quote:
Let us just say this. If the Woman speaks to their concerns and needs then she may have an effect.
This is just the beginning Bro. I realize their must be susbstance behind the Pick. Let us see what she has to offer and how she can communicate it to the Masses.
On the Face of it this maybe thE jolt his Campaign needs. A Woman from Alaska? Who would have thought that. Definitely not clueless Dukes and his Sources{ Should have checked IYSN). Whether or not she has the substance, remains to be seen.
2008-08-29 12:52:12
In reply to voiceofreason
It's hard to imagine how middle America will deal with a compulsive, hot-tempered and maverick President with his PMSing hotshot sidekick VP.
2008-08-29 12:53:25
mccain certainly kissing her a lot
2008-08-29 13:00:48
In reply to DukeStreet
If Mccain wanted to distance himself from Bush and the Status Quo he had to shake things up. He had to do things differently and outside the Box.
The Lady is a Mother of 5,a devout Christian surely she can connect with Family- Minded Middle-classed Voters.
2008-08-29 13:05:29
In reply to Surya
really?
Our VOR?
interesting.
I will give her a chance...which is more than FOX ever gave Obama.
I see so much Hypocrisy in the pic it aint funny. It smacks of desperation and headless chicken behaviour....but i shall haveto hear her beyond the staged cheers o this lil orchestrated thing on CNN.
2008-08-29 13:05:58
In reply to primedog
Women running en mass behind McCain because of this pick would be like Black people running behind George Bush if he picked Allan Keyes. Ain't gonna happen.
Talk tuh him bro. Trinidave already tell him dat those Hillary voters who voting fuh McGramps already mek up dey mind. Dis Miss Alaska not swaying any woman who has not made up dey minds.
2008-08-29 13:06:26
The VP debates should be interesting.
2008-08-29 13:07:37
In reply to Surya yes.that will be fun...I swear McCain gine cuss somebody LIVE..ha haaaa Biden ent no sweetbread neither..
2008-08-29 13:16:26
In reply to Surya
Unfortunately it is just one debate..
With Biden v Palin multiple debates would been great.
Is it still possible for them to add a 2nd hehe..
So we can hear Biden say stuff like "When I voted on my first Senate bill, you were still in elementary school"
2008-08-29 13:25:30
To suggest that women will flock to Palin because she is a woman ignores two things:
1) That Hilary Clinton is a very strong, intelligent and accomplished woman in her own right
2) Palin is anti-choice, pro-gun and a global warmining skeptic. The women who flocked towards Hilary are left of centre on all these issues and Palin's views conflict with theirs.
As a poster said, is like black people voting for McCain because he selects Alan Keyes.
2008-08-29 13:28:25
This is a very Mccain move. Condescending in many ways as if Hillary supporters essentially support her simply because she is a woman and ignoring the huge policy divide between the two.
However, in the end, Americans voted for George Bush and there is always the chance that the collective stupidity of the masses can strike again.
2008-08-29 13:39:21
In reply to JOJO
those r some good points u made
and also
i am sure if McCain selected Kanye that he will get more black votes
however, selecting Palin is like picking Gary Coleman
2008-08-29 13:43:16
In reply to JOJO
1) That Hilary Clinton is a very strong, intelligent and accomplished woman in her own right
Agreed. So you are saying that Palin is unintelligent, and weak? I know she is no Hilary Clinton but let us see what she ahs to offer.
2) Palin is anti-choice, pro-gun and a global warmining skeptic. The women who flocked towards Hilary are left of centre on all these issues and Palin's views conflict with theirs.
She is a Conservative Republican what you expected? I am sure she would try to lean to the middle on some issues like Obama has. Time will tell.
2008-08-29 13:48:23
In reply to Commie
AT 70 plus Years , you think Mccain has anything to lose by this bold move?
2008-08-29 13:49:25
In reply to voiceofreason
Is it Mc Cain or the Republicans that will lose?
2008-08-29 13:53:19
In reply to voiceofreason
The issue that all people have to consider is that Mccain is more likely to hit the croak bucket than Obama. Then you are faced with a Palin as President ? Thats the problem Americans have to consider.
So it is Americas issue, not Mccains. The only brilliance about this move is that it assumes Americans are stupid. And in that regard he may be on the money correct.
2008-08-29 14:06:05
In reply to Commie
The only brilliance about this move is that it assumes Americans are stupid
McCain's entire campaign assumes that americans are stupid.
1.Drilling off-shore
2.Suspension of the gas tax.
3.Giving veterans a health card.
2008-08-29 14:07:19
with less than a million ppl in Alaska, i think the Mayor of Brooklyn position is higher than that of Palin
2008-08-29 14:07:53
maybe Marty Marquitz has a chance
2008-08-29 14:13:19
In reply to Commie This is most stupid thing ever done by picking some one who as no experience of policy in dealing with the outside world.God for bid if mccain died in office a week after he came to power, and she takes ove.He thinks by doing this hllary supporters will come to him, i dont think so.Many people will be asking who is she.?Joe biden will eat her for breakfast.Obama wont loose any sleep over this.
2008-08-29 14:19:16
In reply to monty
The Republicans have more to lose than Mccain.
2008-08-29 14:25:48
In reply to Dukes
McCain's entire campaign assumes that americans are stupid.
Trinidave cyant knock dat strategy. After all. It has worked fuh de last two elections.
2008-08-29 14:27:03
In reply to Trinidave
McCain's entire campaign assumes that americans are stupid.
that is incorrect
it should be
McCain campaign knows how stupid the American ppl r
2008-08-29 14:32:43
If Evangelicals are a/the significant voting block that could swing the election either way, here's a bit of information. Word is that evangelical leaders were hugging and high fiving each other when Sarah Palin was named as McCain's running mate.
2008-08-29 14:51:50
In reply to londoner
hmmmmmmmmm.
Hear you wid that one. The man may be relatively
healthy for his age but pressure does buss pipe.
2008-08-29 15:03:33
The most brilliant move yet by Mac!
he satisfied his base by picking a conservative and shows amercica that is he is not picking someone from the good ole boys club!
Sarah Palin has more mangement experience that Obuma! so they cannot attack her on that point!
This election will be closer than Bush/Gore!
2008-08-29 15:50:29
In reply to googley
Sarah Palin has more mangement experience that Obuma! so they cannot attack her on that point!
Can u explain
2008-08-29 16:16:48
In reply to googley
Sarah Palin has more mangement experience that Obuma! so they cannot attack her on that point!
They don't need to attack Palin. They can attack McCain for insisting that Obama is not ready to be commander in chief because of inadequacy of inexperience, and then he goes and picks someone who's extremely inexperienced as well.
2008-08-29 16:20:40
In reply to birdseye what has Obama govern or managed? 
2008-08-29 16:22:25
In reply to BlessHead in politics you find ways to attack each other. however, the point men are mac and o-man.
VPs usually play a small role in the elections.
2008-08-29 16:27:21
In reply to googley
VPs usually play a small role in the elections.
Except if the Presidential candidate is 72 and has a history of health problems...
2008-08-29 16:29:40
In reply to voiceofreason
What he has to lolse is his only shot at the presidency.
If he had picked Romney, I would have been concerned.
Romney has actual experience building and running a successful alrge company, was effective as Mass. Governor is pretty straight laced.
Romney had the national profile and look to really motivate and mobilize the base.
This pick doesn't.
2008-08-29 16:32:04
McCain's move smacks of desperation and, yes, a general assumption that most Americans are shallow, ineffectual idiots that vote based on symbols.
He really thinks that he can get enough of Hillary's supporters with this move.
McCain is done!!!
2008-08-29 16:32:23
In reply to BlessHead well, if the ole man fall down, you got a former mayor and first term governor vs a senator with no management experience. lol!
2008-08-29 16:33:28
In reply to Khary9
a general assumption that most Americans are shallow, ineffectual idiots that vote based on symbols.
can you site examples of where the american public has proven otherwise?
2008-08-29 16:38:43
In reply to Khary9
McCain's move smacks of desperation and, yes, a general assumption that most Americans are shallow, ineffectual idiots that vote based on symbols.
What are you really saying? Would you NOT call Americans the same things if Obama loses?
2008-08-29 16:39:57
In reply to googley
well, if the ole man fall down, you got a former mayor and first term governor vs a senator with no management experience. lol!
EXACTLY! So again the argument will be how hypocrital of McCain to have even made experience their main issue, then turn around pick someone inexperienced.
To prove it, I bet you the republicans won't bring up the experience issue again!
2008-08-29 16:41:49
Palin's pick seems like the Miers Supreme Court pick a couple years go.
Will it end the same way as well...
2008-08-29 16:42:49
In reply to googley Well Googley, I could but that would be boring and probably be considered borderline racist by some on this board.
Let me just say that not all Americans bought the Bush crap, and there were some of us who protested, very loudly, when Bush was first elected in 2000, again in 2004.
There are some serious, fascist-like forces at work within this country, and I agree that these mechanisms have captured many an American psyche and base-belief system. I cannot argue with you that "some" Americans are mindless drones, however I will argue with those who say "most".
2008-08-29 16:51:48
In reply to Khary9
Bush was first elected in 2000 and again in 2004.
i think you just won the case for me!!
2008-08-29 17:01:35
In reply to Surya
What are you really saying? Would you NOT call Americans the same things if Obama loses?
No, I wouldn't. If Obama loses, it will be his own fault, just like it was Gore's and Kerry's. Democrats need to give voters something to support. Their wishy washy stance on major issues and their consistent failure to distinguish themselves from the Repubs on the Iraq war turned off a lot of traditional Dem voters.
Since Reagan, the Dems have been going through a severe identity crisis. Only Clinton has been able excite enough of the left to win office, and he did so only with the overwhelming support of the black community. Both Gore & Kerry tried to copy Clinton's run to the center but never excited that vital segment of their base, and therefore lost their respective elections by close margins- the amount of disaffected black voters in 2000 & 2004.
Now, you can get mad and try to rationalize that blacks aren't that important politically, but it has been the Democrat's flight from civil/social issues that, more than any other policy moves, have hamstrung the modern Democratic party.
To put it bluntly- When the Dems diss blacks, they lose. Only Clinton, through his popular mannerisms and outward affection for that community, was able to breakthrough.
Gore dissed the Jesse Jackson Dems who supported Bradley in the primaries and never moved to recapture them and lost votes to the Green candidate Nader in 2000. If Gore had done more, he would have overwhlemed Bush's small margin of victory(which is still being questioned today).
Kerry made the same mistake, running to the center, without making important gestures to the black electorate, who this time actually voted in larger numbers for Republicans who made inroads into Black America's burgeoning, upwardly mobile community(business owners, wall streeters, etc). This proved the difference in Ohio. Kerry was stumped!
Blacks will vote overwhelmingly for Obama who they see as their own. IS he really? That question is still up for debate. But this vital part of the democratic electorate is fully energized and will prove the difference in November.
Since McCain is playing the "symbols" game, I believe he would have done better to pick a black running mate who represents the black money class, siphoning off enough of Obama's core support. Big mistake by McCain.
2008-08-29 17:06:02
In reply to Khary9
Aren't women important?
2008-08-29 17:12:43
In reply to Surya Yes, but women don't vote in as solid a "bloc" as the black community. Views, voting records much more diverse.
2008-08-29 17:18:12
This gimmick pick is friggin laughable. Anybody that even think of voting for McCain needs a brain check. This woman a heartbeat from the Presidency??? Come on now get real.
2008-08-29 17:55:16
In reply to Khary9
Lemme ask yuh this.Do you think that Ross Perot winning 19% of the vote in 1992 had anything to do with Clinton winning????
Before you answer think carefully about your answer because I gat yuh ra$$ in a vice.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-08-29 18:15:41
In reply to Dukes Point...I can't deny.
But the Ron Brown civil rights blacks were fully behind Clinton in 96 and made the competition with Dole- the popular righty, a blowout for the Clintons.
And remember, this is after the neo-con revolution...things were already on the upswing for the new Republican party in 96. They already had Congress and might have made a stronger run at the White House if things weren't going so good economically.
But I see your point.
I still think the Palin pick is a dumb one.
2008-08-29 18:18:27
In reply to googley You remind me of my old Language Arts teacher- Mrs. Loadholt. Are you Mrs. Loadholt??? 
2008-08-29 18:19:21
In reply to defeyeant is`nt this the same guy (big mac...) who threw his wife away when he returned from pow (prisoner of war) camp...for a young thing...after she (his wife) and kids waited for him...nothing new here
2008-08-29 18:29:33
In reply to Khary9
But the Ron Brown civil rights blacks were fully behind Clinton in 96 and made the competition with Dole- the popular righty, a blowout for the Clintons.
Dole was 73 years old and ran a terrible campaign.Also Perot was there again winning more than 8 % of the vote.Of course an incumbent President has numerous advantages.
McCain has basically insulted American voters in general and women in particular.
I am really angry because he has continually insulted my intelligence.First with the gas tax holiday and then with this nonsensical offshore drilling here and now.
The tragedy is that most people do not do any thinking for themselves and pompous vacuous a$$holes on TV do the thinking for most people.
PHEW
2008-08-29 18:51:26
In reply to Dukes
McCain has basically insulted American voters in general and women in particular.
I am really angry because he has continually insulted my intelligence.First with the gas tax holiday and then with this nonsensical offshore drilling here and now.
The tragedy is that most people do not do any thinking for themselves and pompous vacuous a$$holes on TV do the thinking for most people.
I am really angry because he has continually insulted my intelligence.First with the gas tax holiday and then with this nonsensical offshore drilling here and now.
The tragedy is that most people do not do any thinking for themselves and pompous vacuous a$$holes on TV do the thinking for most people.
No doubt...spot on! I would argue though, that "the most people" analysis you are making has more to do with the typical "Red State" America that is dominated by whites.
Urban folk(black, white whomecver) are much more diverse and have a deeper perception of political ideals and policies.
The great tragedy of American society is that it continues to be allowed to run itself into the ground on the faulty premise of "whiteness". Many blacks have fallen into this trap too. Its not really about skin color. Its more about, lifelong politicians like McCain manipulating American voters against straw-boogeymen (usually blacks) to push forward their own personal agendas
Middle America continually votes against its own self interest on these false promises time and time again.
Look at the welfare system, look at affirmative action. All analytical study indicates that both systems worked; not just for blacks but for the benefit of all members of the community, in various socio-economic factors. In other words, any investment in the lower class usually contributes to a stronger, more successful society for all. Check the data!
Yet, middle America continues to vote against progressive ideas and policies on the basis of "wasteful" spending.
Obama's great middle of the road approach is that he, unlike Gore & Kerry, is actually mentioning serious investment in rebuilding the working class. Kudos to him, my lukewarm stance towards his initial, Mr. goodie-two-shoes campaign has changed. I can now see the vision in his long range take on these issues.
Sorry for the poor syntax Mr. Googley...err Mrs. Loadholt!
2008-08-29 21:51:13
In reply to Dukes Hope you watched Bill Moyers tonight. Excellent discussion on both parties' winning strategies now that both tickets are complete.
2008-08-29 22:24:12
In reply to defeyeant
If biden cancels out Mccain then Obama vs Palin is Obama vs Hillary deux
MacSwain cancels out Obama
Biden wipes the floor with Palin
And the winners are: Obama and Biden
McCain doesn't have a prayer in hell with this pick.
I think McCain is rolling the dice because he knows that he is up the creek without a paddle.
2008-08-29 22:43:05
In reply to voiceofreason
The Palin Pick is a brilliant one! Outside the Box! I maintain my belief in that. It will change the Game.
Don't you think that Obama's pick by Americans is outside the box?
(17)Seventeen percent of Obama's supporters are 36 years and younger;they need someone they could relate to in this 21st century.McCain is a dinosaur ready to "cockup" wid his old sorry ideas.
2008-08-29 23:33:02
In reply to Khary9
If Gore had done more, he would have overwhlemed Bush's small margin of victory(which is still being questioned today).
The presidency was given to Bush-Gore did not lose that election.
Do you remember the many Blacks that were turned away at the poles in Florida? Gore had the Governor and Judges along with "Clarence the snake oil"Thomas against him.
2008-08-30 08:36:07
says her husband of 20 years is the man she 'admires the most', not McCain
2008-08-30 08:43:27
In reply to Khary9
Khary9 Joined: Dec 10, 2007
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In reply to Surya Yes, but women don't vote in as solid a "bloc" as the black community. Views, voting records much more diverse.
Posts: 1720 8/29/08 5:12:43 PM
In reply to Surya Yes, but women don't vote in as solid a "bloc" as the black community. Views, voting records much more diverse.
I know you are all are experts like powen001, but do you mind giving a reference for this-That the black community votes as a bloc (does not include the Caribbean diaspora too) and women do not (Would a majority voting for one side matter and if not, what should the differential benchmark be?) Do Asians and diasporic Asians vote as a bloc? Does not include Americans of Asian Indian descent too?
Tenks
2008-08-30 08:52:23
In reply to voiceofreason
the only women votes that this will get mcsame are the bible dieters and hilly billys....
most women feel insulted by this pick because there are qualified and deserving females out there...
this was a bad choice and shows that mcsame puts winning over country, this lady is the gov of a state of approx. 900000, there are scores of congressional districts with more constituents, furthermore, she's in office for less than two years, of which she took maternity leave to have her disabled baby who needs a lot of attention. 
2008-08-30 08:56:26
In reply to Wally-1
the only women votes that this will get mcsame are the bible dieters and hilly billys....
what numbers are we talking here, any idea?
2008-08-30 08:58:44
In reply to doosra """what numbers are we talking here, any idea? """
no but the point is that the o man would never have gotten those voters anyway.
2008-08-30 09:00:26
In reply to Wally-1
no but the point is that the o man would never have gotten those voters anyway.
it is an interesting dynamic to say the least...i dont see it making a difference myself...but i still want to know what numbers this move will add to McCain's
2008-08-30 09:08:44
In reply to doosra
unless polsters frame that question with specificity it will be hard to tell, since candidates usually get some bounce coming out of a convention.
2008-08-30 09:12:16
In reply to Wally-1
yea, thanks for that little insight...i will continue to follow...im very much an amateur in the field of political analysis...lol
2008-08-30 11:54:55
In reply to jaydee My response to Surya was a strict comparison between women and blacks alone.
Plus, when you look at election patterns over the past 30 years you will see that, since the late 60's, blacks are the most dependable portion of the American electorate.
Caribbean folks are either a too-small percentage of the black number or are just under-reported in terms of a distinct voting bloc.
I do not know any specific numbers related to Caribbean-American voting patterns though I would guess that a greater number of Caribbean blacks(who have better socio-economic stats than black) would have voted against the typical "black" trend, as the general figures suggest that overall black support for the Democratic party had waned since the 2000.
In other words- as the pecentage of blacks voting democrat grew smaller since 2000, there would probably be a higher rate of attrition for Caribbean blacks. But that is just my guess.
My reasoning is that the loss of an almost 98-100% Democratic bloc down to 93-95% from 2000 to 2008 can be attributed to 2 factors.
Factor 1- Upward mobility of small business owners & investors whose financial successes encourage a switch to a more independent voting pattern. Caribbean folk are doing better, economically, than black Americans.
Factor 2- Lack of investment by the Democratic party in overall black issues. Like it or not, most Caribbean folk in the USA live on the margin between white & black America with more falling on the black side.
Conclusion- A withdrawal of investment in a socio-economic agenda which had been official Democratic policy up to Reagan caused a reduction(though small) in the percentage of black democratic voters from 2000 to 2008. I believe the trend away from the Dems the last 10 years would be more pronounced among Caribbean blacks.
2008-08-31 03:52:05
What is interesting is that since the Democrats via Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights bill they have lost the south and most election since then have been republican won. Before that, democrats could count on winning the south. Think it was David Gergen who said it, a former Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush Sr. advisor.
2008-08-31 10:13:46
In reply to roseboy64 Yes, whomever carries the bulk of non-thinking, racist whites usually wins.
Sorry GaryG, but that demographic usually overlaps with the hardcore Christian(Baptist, Pentacostal) ones.