West Indies players who took strike action and abandoned the recent India tour, have come in for scathing criticism from former Australian international cricketer and commentator, Dean Jones.

In an interview with PakPassion.net today, Jones described the Dwayne Bravo-led squad as “dummies”. Jones said he fully understood that the players needed to be paid but suggested they just hadn’t thought their actions through or worked out the implications. He noted tours had been abandoned before for reasons ranging from riots to assassinations, but the West Indies were the only ones to abandon a tour over money.
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In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Aussies minimum retainer is $500,000. have they ever gone on a tour without a contract?

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Why doesn't he stick to calling players terrorists? He is great at that.

_r

In reply to Admin

Is he incorrect. WI are the only team to abandon a tour because of money.

Yet even after that pay cut these guys are almost 2 times better paid than pakistan for example, who have real reason to strike.

In reply to Admin

Because he has a different view from yours?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

No. Because his is an idiot outsider without knowledge of the situation. Plus, he is an idiot, plain and simple.

proof

_r

In reply to Commie

dude Pakistan is a country, men fight and die for country but you are against flags so you would not understand.

In reply to Admin

If you were in court this would be inadmissible as irrelevant to the point being discussed.

In reply to camos

So why your ass not in Jamaica retiring and dying for that flag.

Stop muddying waters. The fact is, WI is the only team that has abandoned a tour over money. What is worse is that they are far from the poorest paid and they are the worst performing of the traditionally big teams.

Its like a perfect cluster fuck.

Painful as it is to read, its difficult to deny the logic of what he is saying. I thought the players looked silly at the time, Bravo was too pompous and that was a reckless and stupid act..You can't down tools when you have a dispute with your union...

I mean....they are just a mediocre near bottom of the table bunch. Even things like Ramdin signing himself West indies captain just looks laughable..

In reply to Commie

Good thing we are not in court. Idiots + microphones = dangerous combination. I have no time for that clown.

_r

In reply to Commie

you are the person 'muddying' the waters, the issue is not about who is better paid.

In reply to Commie

the politically correct phrase is Custer-fluck

In reply to camos

The issue is that WI are the ONLY team to abandon a tour over money. Therefore the context of how much they are paid vs other teams who have more strife becomes relevant.

Stick to topic.

Luckily the general public cares less and less about this as time goes by.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I totally agree with you Jones. The truth is the truth.


Don't expect the delusional to support your claim though. The truth can be a very abrasive thing but the truth is the truth.


No wonder these West Indies cricekters are so mentally weak on the field of play. They just can't think through things. After all, it does appear that they are at times more into the flashing of bling, sunglasses and the display of 'prettiness' on the field of play...

In reply to Commie
and my point is that you do not understand the significance of country,in places like Pakistan and SL.

In reply to camos

You searching.

In reply to camos

You do understand what the term reckless fools means though.

Once you graduate to telling me about what nationalism means to Pak and SL rather than addressing the core issue I think we have a jumpoff point.

Funny...nationalism means nowt to the same Pak players having the most banned players for match fixing, including the national disgrace, bans and jail associated with small sums of money.

But of course they won't strike cause of love for flag.

In reply to camos

So why did anyone ever played for WI?

In reply to Admin

Did you called out and condemned Jones when he use the T word or are you only now calling him out because he is in the other side of your views on the WI impasse?

In reply to crapaud
Have to agree with him (and you).

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Jonesy is correct... these greedy players never thought through the ramifications of their actions !!

Left to me Bravo, Pollard and Sammy will never repesent WI ever again !!

My first thought was dear Admin please rad this and stop writing.....tripe

In reply to Commie

I would like to read in detail , why in your opinion , our Players are not as competitive as they can or should be .

YOU seem to be insinuating that is largely the Players fault .I am awaiting a response
from you . I simply want to find out if your views on the subject of our players competitiveness is in sync with my views .

In reply to camos

Of course not

In reply to BatQuake

Of course you do - now let us PREY
Puke!

In reply to matchstick

In reply to NineMiles

Did someone steal your handle?

In reply to Commie

You mean Jones' character / agenda are not particularly relevant to the issue? Interesting.

Reckless fools is an understatement!

In reply to Logic

The statement is a fact. WI are the only set of players to have abandoned a tour because of money in this modern era.

That fact then couches an opinion that they are reckless fools for what has ensued.

Liking Dean Jones or not doesn't change the fact. You could query the harshness of reckless fools but it is pretty obvious they didn't think through the consequences.

In reply to BatQuake

You have a serious inferiority complex.

Following your way of thinking and looking at the same facts Jones, the BCCI and Michael Holding looked at, the truth is the truth where Jones is concern but it is lies where the BCCI and one of your own re Michael Holding is concern.

It is either guys like you cannot be logical in your approach to simple facts, cannot be objective and lacks the ability to think rationally.

Sad.

In reply to Admin

I did not hear him say that on the Utube link you posted. But perhaps this will help

In reply to Star

The simple fact is to look at what has been gained and what has been lost. You do not cut off your nose to spite your face.

If the problem is you are being underpaid to do a job the solution is not to blow the building up and become a merc. The players did not follow proper grievance procedures.

When others are wrong make sure you stay in the right. The players went wrong like everyone else.

'Reckless Fools' is an accurate and reasonable description of men who down their tools because of a dispute with their own union, without considering the consequences.

May I also add another one: Stupid, Stupid!

Although you did not ask me the question, I feel compelled to answer. Have you ever considered that while more cricket improves a team's competiveness, that the west indies face problems that are unique? Do you recognise how physically fragmented the West Indies are? Small islands, with small populations; do you know how costly it is to transport a number of cricketers for an extended period from island to island, feeding them, housing them. A few days ago you criticised the Windwards for holding 2 days competition; do you believe that the windwards organisers are so stupid, or they are hampered by serious limitations? These are poor, struggling economies where the Boards are as broke as the governments; often, the 2 day competitions are what they can afford. Do you think it is easy to have 4 days competition which involves total costs and no returns; nobody looks at these matches, everything is cost. Look, a few weeks ago, Anguilla had to forfeit the Leewards finals, apparently because of the expense of travelling from Anguilla to Montserrat. And they have condensed their competition this year to minimise cost

In reply to Besar
Line space your paragraphs.

Some posters just skip the piece when it is jumbled into one paragraph.

In reply to Star


you don't ?

In reply to Commie

Agreed, as much I want to see the WICB totally reformed into a democratic well functioning board. It is difficult for me to conceive what would possess both sides to take the nuclear option and the obvious mutually assured destruction that would follow. How difficult it is to think 3 steps ahead....too sad..

In reply to nick2020

You may not be aware of how correct you are with that statement.

It can be a topic for debate that can go on for many, many years to come.

In every debate there is a winner. Contrary to popular belief, there are no ties in debates.

Think about it.

In reply to nick2020

You may not be aware of how correct you are with that statement.

It can be a topic for debate that can go on for many, many years to come.

In every debate there is a winner. Contrary to popular belief, there are no ties in debates.

Think about it.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Interesting that some are happy that the players are called by Dean Jones as fools. But just look at his solution

He just says players are to be concerned about BCCI and interact with BCCI directly... Just shows scant regard for WI cricket and WICB in particular.

In reply to Pacy

He shows just about as much regard as you. No?

In reply to Pacy



I saw the headline and before reading, thought: Sure, WICB

In reply to Star

Star east boy, dey say 10 to 1 is murder, doesn't look like you can win this one. Are you Bravo in disguise?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Of Course... I would rather support the men fight hard on the field with whatever they have than the ones that just sit in their desks, Getting their Perks, First Class travel without doing anything worthwhile.

In reply to Pacy

That's so juvenile! Who arranges tours snd all the things associated? The players?

In reply to camos

You sure its $500,000? I know few years back it was around $80,000. Australia generate a lot more revenue from various streams by the way, so they can afford to pay higher, so does India.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Those are operational and will go on if anyone administers... But these guys cannot go and do what the players do on the field.

In reply to Pacy

ok

In reply to nick2020

The WICB ALLOWED this crisis to happen. Players come and players go. It is the WICB responsibility to administer and preserve WI cricket. Cameron/WICB was too arrogant.

In reply to Gupta

Agreed, but they players were not culpable as well?

Now look at the damages.

D you think that Bravo figured out why teh press asked him if they will interrupt teh SA tour?

In reply to anandgb

Yes they are and will always be. However, a competent company owner or a CEO will not allow a few of their employees to bring down the entire company. Only an arrogant one, like Cameron/WICB, will.

In reply to Gupta

Meanwhile every journalist out there are making fun of the players.

In reply to anandgb
I am not bothered by that. Infact, I don't care who journalist make fun of. What I am bothered about is that Cameron/WICB and their arrogance allowed WI cricket to go up in smoke.

'Go it alone' is coming soon.

In reply to Chrissy

Okay now.........that's just plain weird. You're weird. Urrhhhhh!!!

In reply to Star

And I'm not objective(eewwwww) because my position is in conflict with yours? I have long told y'all these cricketers are plain greedy......and truth be told, they are not smart.

Tell me how much bargaining power they now have seeing that a $42 million US charge is now hanging over the head of their employers. So they way to go about seeking a pay increase is to do something that will bankrupt your place of work and then on the heels of the bankruptcy still demand for a pay increase eh.


Anyways, maybe you have never read this but allow me to repeat the following - PLEASE do not use he word objective in reference to me on this side of this MB. That word and its meaning has been contaminated by its association with certain people on this MB. Hence I do not want to have any association with the word "objective" this side of the MB.


I prefer to say that I am quite consistent with my positions on this MB.

In reply to Gupta

Right.

In reply to Admin

"Why doesn't he stick to calling players terrorists? He is great at that."

That's exactly why I have no interest in anything Dean Jones has to contribute to this discussion....

If anyone thinks that the players DID considered the full ramifications of their action and STILL striked then they are bigger IDIOTS than can be imagined.

Personally I wouldn't credit them with enough common sense to have been able to consider the full consequences.

So it goes without saying that they didn't consider the full consequences of their actions before they went on strike, so they ARE IDIOTS!!

The only other excuse is they acted under orders from the BCCI to help kill off Test cricket - my conspiracy theory,,,

In reply to Commie

It is also a fact that the wicb is the only cricketing authority that having sent its players out without a renewed contract, then submits a new contract to them WHILE ON TOUR for signature which radically changes their pay structure to the tune of an up to 75% reduction in compensation. Come to think of it they are probably the only sporting authority of any stripe that has tried that stunt in this modern era.

WICB's action was unprecedented so no surprise that the player's reaction broke new ground. I am perplexed as to why people expect the players, whose job is to play cricket, are expected to be that much smarter and that much more mature than the wicb leadership whose only job is to preserve and protect our cricket.

In reply to Commie By the way you missed or ignored the main point I was making regarding the relevance of Jones' character and agenda. I do agree with the obvious: that a fact is fact regardless of character of the messenger. It was in reference to your constant reference to the boogeyman Ramnarine.

For the record, I detest Ramnarine and his m.o. but, as I have said before, the wicb is responsible for Ramnarine resurfacing, not Bravo.

In reply to Admin

You just can't handle the truth!

In reply to Admin
I think these guys who represent the West Indies are bigger idiots!

In reply to camos

Really? You are near the bottom of world cricket and you are the one striking for more pay when you are not near the bottom as far as pay? Can you figure out the logic?
These guys should be glad that any other team even invite them to tour. And instead of being grateful and quietly enjoy their good fortunes, they decided to make all this noise and create this embarrassment for the West Indian people. They are a bunch of dumb assholes!!

In reply to rhatid

Who is striking for more pay? And you are calling other idiots

In reply to Pacy
What do you call abandoning the tour? To me that's a strike! And why did they abandon the tour? It's over more money they think they are entitled to. And to me the way they have gone about what they have done have is idiotic!
I don't understand your point.

In reply to rhatid

Of course. It is for money but was it for More money?

In reply to Pacy
Was it for less money? No. And if it was for the same money they are now what was the basis of their action? That would make their action even more idiotic. You walk off a tour for the same money you are making. That makes no sense.

In reply to rhatid

Would you believe Cameron/WICB allowed this to happen. Cameron and his Board need to go....their arrogance was shocking!!

Just who the x@@k is Dean Jones? Tell me! Just tell me?! What has he contributed to the legacy of West Indian cricket? What will he do to save it? Why is he featured here? Does he really have anything to say? Does he really understand what's really going on?