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HEADLINE: PCL: Not going to plan
CaribbeanCricket.com
Dec 7, 2014, 2:55:39 AM
THESE are early days yet for judging the impact of the new, enthusiastically heralded West Indies Cricket Board’s Professional Cricket League (PCL). What is certain is that things haven’t gone as planned.
Even before the 90, recently contracted pros, each now potentially earning basic fees of between US$33,500 and US$53,900 a year, could step onto the field, the six franchises baulked at the idea of free movement between teams.
Only two players from the five each franchise was obliged to place into a draft were chosen by coaches and selectors who preferred to keep their squads of 15 exclusively home-based.
read more in the Trinidad Express
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Commie
Dec 7, 2014, 3:17:21 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
I dont see how seasons of short fc cricket will be sorted within the first season of a new format especially when the first offseason will be the offseason after this one.
pure bs Coz.
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 3:32:11 AM
In reply to Commie
how more "poor" cricket and it's associated elements will improve standards is way beyond this pea brain of mine.
pitches, umpiring, coaching, etc etc etc
we cussin the symptoms too much and for too long.
btw, was there ever a "plan"
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 3:34:28 AM
Such exchanges were one of the tenets of the makeover.
It is a deliberate attempt to move away from just saying that you have to be born within the territory to play for that franchise, WICB president Dave Cameron explained. It doesnt happen anywhere else in the world and we dont see any reason why it has to happen in the West Indies.
yada yada yada but we cuss about it here aready
there was never a plan/policy to. just yap yap yap
stewps
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 3:35:46 AM
As usual, spinners have reaped their harvests. Veerasammy Permaul, omitted from the Test team a year ago, collected 28 wickets in the three matches, including returns of eight wickets in an innings twice. Trinidad and Tobagos leg-spinner Imran Khan has 20, the Windwards left-armer Alston Bobb 17; both are aged 30. It is not to say that pitches were so devilish as to merit such mediocrity. Judging by the WICBs live streaming video on the internet and from reading knowledgeable reports, they appeared perfectly reasonable.
that is what we have been saying...yuh cussing the symptom. the issue is deeper and simpler
over and out. i could read something new
buds
Dec 7, 2014, 3:47:58 AM
In reply to Commie
Could not agree more--Its just pure BS from Cozier--Give the League some time--Like our players and organisations in the Caribbean Cozier needs to become professional as well--
hubert
Dec 7, 2014, 4:06:52 AM
In reply to buds
Agree it will take time,perhaps longer than most as it is the West Indies that is involved.It should be given a few years to be fruitful..very fruitful.
That said, I agree with Coz..season should have been January to early May when it serve to keep all players on their toes during the International Home campaigns.
But what the cricket needs is also feeder system above U19 to build on a surer foundation.
What has become of the many U-19s over the years...too many have been lost to the game and the investment made between ages 19-23. That needs to be addressed.
defeyeant
Dec 7, 2014, 4:08:35 AM
They were expecting overnight change with the same players? That doesnt happen in other sports why would it happen here?
buds
Dec 7, 2014, 4:30:11 AM
In reply to hubert
I agree that there needs to be a system that prepare players to enter into the PCL--I hope that is the next step and not just from the clubs in the regional territories--I see a plan in shape to take WI cricket to a better place; a more structure professional place-
Off topic: I read where 80% of children are born out of wedlock in JA--How does that help with structure in the Caribbean/JA? Our players are from broken homes with no formal structure and we expect them to adhere to a professional standard that require and demands structure? We are behind the eight ball--This leads into the players lack of discipline etc--Its terrible--
Commie
Dec 7, 2014, 4:41:06 AM
In reply to doosra
I understand your point but we have players who have played 5-6 seasons and have less than 25 games under their belt. Thats crazy. Guys are getting old without playing any real cricket.
If you look at english county cricket, even with a mature product early seasons they have alot of low scores and then as the pitches flatten out the batsmen start to dominate.
In the Caribbean you have a handful of games and then the season is over. When club cricket was very strong this wasnt a problem, but with club cricket taking a beating itself, we need regional cricket and its aftermath to prepare the players better.
Give Pybus a chance to implement his isht rather than shortchanging yet another path and starting all over.
voiceofreason
Dec 7, 2014, 4:50:35 AM
In reply to Commie
Chesney Hughes is a good example. He has played 44 FC Matches in 4 Seasons and this season in particular he was out of the team due to injury/form for most of it.
Cozier is myopic like most West Indians. They expect overnight panaceas for systemic and long term problems. The only thing that I agree with in the article is that the season should have been continuous and the nonexistent marketing of the product. Also what happened to day/night cricket?
Paying the players like professionals is a great incentive for them to work on their game on a full time basis. I maintain this is the way to go forward. I do not expect much to change this season but time is necessary for us to see some results.
Baje
Dec 7, 2014, 5:04:44 AM
In reply to voiceofreason
Cozier is myopic like most West Indians. They expect overnight panaceas for systemic and long term problems. The only thing that I agree with in the article is that the season should have been continuous and the nonexistent marketing of the product. Also what happened to day/night cricket
Cozier is just a reporter. Stirring up controversy is part of the job
Baje
Dec 7, 2014, 5:05:43 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Even before the 90, recently contracted pros, each now potentially earning basic fees of between US$33,500 and US$53,900 a year, could step onto the field, the six franchises baulked at the idea of free movement between teams.
There is no incentive for free movement
Commie
Dec 7, 2014, 5:07:57 AM
In reply to Baje
Cozier is a journo. He is supposed to analyse.
He isn't a reporter. Thats someone like Barry Wilkinson.
jacksprat
Dec 7, 2014, 5:10:07 AM
In reply to buds
I read where 80% of children are born out of wedlock in JA--How does that help with structure in the Caribbean/JA? Our players are from broken homes with no formal structure and we expect them to adhere to a professional standard that require and demands structure?
Is this a new revelation?
It has been that way-that children are born out of wedlock at an alarming rate- for more than 80 years of West Indies cricket yet the region was still able to ascend to great heights in cricket. That is flawed and knee-jerk analyst of what ails our cricket. Despite the unfortunate reality that too many homes are headed by single parents-almost invariably single mothers-cricket was still able to strive.
The question is: what has the WICB-and its constituent associations-done to stimulate and support interest in the game at the grassroots level ie-the schools, the youth clubs,cricket clubs, etc. How much has it invested in these entities and which tournament does it sponsor at the school & club level.
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 5:15:36 AM
In reply to voiceofreason
Chesney Hughes is a good example. He has played 44 FC Matches in 4 Seasons and this season in particular he was out of the team due to injury/form for most of it.
to me this is
a good example of the problem
44 matches and averages 30
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 5:16:33 AM
In reply to Commie
we saw similar issues during the 10/11 match regional tournaments some years back. guys started to fade at halfway point. i will wait and see
Commie
Dec 7, 2014, 5:22:00 AM
In reply to doosra
They would because in the offseasons before they were all part timers.
They should get better by year two or three at least.
camos
Dec 7, 2014, 5:28:36 AM
players not playing enough cricket and a cricket season that changes every year are so need attention ,just paying bad workmen don't improve their work!
anandgb
Dec 7, 2014, 5:31:52 AM
In reply to doosra
I think getting a professional salary will enable them to focus more on cricket as a living rather than having to hustle for a living with little time for cricket.
To enhance the reality of this concept, however, the local authorities would have to sponsor more games and hopefully there will be sponsors to promote more competition.
One can only hope that more cricket will eventually enhance the skills and talents,
camos
Dec 7, 2014, 5:35:18 AM
In reply to anandgb
you also need to pay umps and ground staff to get better quality.
imusic
Dec 7, 2014, 5:37:38 AM
THESE are early days yet for judging the impact of the new, enthusiastically heralded West Indies Cricket Boards Professional Cricket League (PCL). What is certain is that things havent gone as planned.
Good thing Cozier started off his article with the above.
Wasn't Cozier call the PCL "historic"
Wasn't Cozier that mek every team pick ALL bar 1 player fom their home territory
It certainly wasn't Cozier that deemed it fit to have near zero marketing of the games to the public
hubert
Dec 7, 2014, 5:39:56 AM
In reply to buds
I just read Jacksprat's response to you on the broken homes/ social situ...I concur.That has never stopped anyone who really wants to succeed evem if a system is non existent. A grand system will howver enhancetheir chances and lead to more successes.
doosra
Dec 7, 2014, 5:45:22 AM
it's really interesting how this system resembles the education issue we face in the region
you can do what you like with the curriculum and the facilities and all of that
but if your foundation is not there, you have to do so much remedial work. in the case of education it means spending valuable resources doing remedial work with writing, mathematics, etc. forget critical thinking for now.
POINT
Dec 7, 2014, 6:47:07 AM
Perhaps if when England imposed it ban on all Overseas Players , those in the governance of Cricket had tried to form a Pro or Semi Pro League , by now perhaps everything would have been running not only smoothly ; but our team & Players would have been more competitive .
Cozier et al have mouth now , but where the Hell were they when England imposed its ban
in the mid 1980's . I don't recall any of them saying a word . I will always state
in this Forum that the Ban by England was aimed mainly at our Players & Team . They
were the best in the world at that juncture . Other Overseas Players were merely collateral damage .
I really don't blame England , if you have
Players from the West Indies harnessing ; enhancing & honing their skills mainly in England ; and then kicking your ass at the International level , I would ban them .
My beef is the fact that those in the governance of Cricket at that time did nothing . They failed to understand the full dynamics of the impact the ban would have not only on our Players & Team , but also on the standard of Cricket in the Region .
WE are going to suffer from that lack of Foresight & Vision for a long time . Why ?
because Tours in those days were much longer than they currently are . This
allowed Players to get acclimatized to
the weather & conditions of the Pitches .In those days Cricket was played before & in between the Test Matches . So that Touring Team Players were very competitive .
ALL that stopped when 3 formats of the game was introduced & at times a Country was hosting 2 International Teams simultaneously . This meant that Players had to be ready to play in a maximum of
4 days . Now when the WICB insists on its 1 week Camp , that aint helping our Players .
POINT
Dec 7, 2014, 6:51:27 AM
In reply to Commie
It is good to see that you are beginning to understand why I hold those in the governance of Cricket in exceedingly low esteem . Also those in the Region who claim to be Sports Journalists .
Stumpoff
Dec 7, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
The fact that there is no real movement of players let the WICB look like a Jumby Crab.
waste of money and time. The local coaches need to be all fired. They do not have the professional mindset. The set out to pick only their local players just to get them in a position to make a pay check rather that thing first about WI cricket. Now all the mediocre players are not performing and there are other players in other Islands are sitting down on the sideline.
The set-up should have two leagues. A development armature along with the pro league.
The development league should consist of our young, young players mix with some vets.
POINT
Dec 7, 2014, 3:45:42 PM
In reply to Stumpoff
Your idea has a lot of merit , but as usual
the powers that be are going to plead Poverty .
carl0002
Dec 8, 2014, 3:35:47 AM
How much is the prize money?
Blackbird
Dec 8, 2014, 5:07:22 AM
In reply to budsI keep repeating, I gave up on Cozier bs since 1981 when we were winning.
How can any reasonable person expect miracles in a system that started with a competition. There was little to no preparation, hence this season cannot be any different than previous years. The PCB will have to be judged from year 2 onward.
Gupta
Dec 8, 2014, 5:40:53 AM
Regional cricket in the West Indies has fallen a long long way. Gone are the days when at least 10,000 fans packed Sabina Park, Bourda, Queens's Park Oval and Kensington Oval everyday for Shell Shield matches. Today, 100 fans in the stands is a lot.
tc1
Dec 8, 2014, 6:17:44 AM
In reply to buds
cover fuh your hommies
camos
Dec 8, 2014, 6:27:01 AM
In reply to Gupta
because the product has been diluted, remember when regional games were between January and April and teams had their best players.
dayne
Dec 8, 2014, 7:50:43 AM
The Cricket Boards need to come up with some creative ideas to get the attendance up for these games. Give out a daily prizes to high school kids, like a used bat from one of the players, give out Tee shirts to some lucky attendees. Those little ideas would not cost them much, but it should encourage some young people to the games.