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HEADLINE: From disaster to destruction under Cameron
CaribbeanCricket.com
Dec 31, 2014, 3:20:06 AM
A place in history can either be good or bad. There is simply no room for middle ground. So when the history of West Indies cricket is finally written, the name Wycliffe Dave Cameron may become synonymous, with disaster, destruction and depravity of West Indies Cricket.
While not for the first time, a sitting West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) president finds himself in the firing line, Cameron seems heading to be top of the list as the “Worst WICB president in history”. Not that this seems to matter much to Cameron, a man who appears consumed by power and prestige of a job, rather than the unification of the islands. In the most recent scenario where Dwayne Bravo was sacked as West Indies captain and several other players thrown to the side, Cameron has shown no remorse for angering not only the people of the region but also appearing to break a gentleman’s agreement with two Caribbean Prime Ministers, Dr Ralph Gonsalves (St Vincent) and Dr Keith Mitchell (Grenada).
The Trinidad Guardian has the full article
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FanAttick
Dec 31, 2014, 3:26:11 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
What a dumbass this Andre Baptistery is! My word.
WI CRICKET WILL NEVER BE TRULY FREE
UNTIL THERE ARE NO MORE PLAYERS FROM T&T
powen001
Dec 31, 2014, 3:34:13 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
While I understand the need to call a spade a spade ...he callin the man a FORK too...and thats uncalled for.
armchair
Dec 31, 2014, 3:39:56 AM
This is the type of drivel that drives the xenophobes. That Cameron might be a particularly unimpressive leader we might agree. But to make it an anti-Trini issue and to talk up the Trinis intellectual and principled leadership as opposed to all others is another.
I suppose there was no problem with Cameron whem Bravo was made ODI captain and Pollard was seen as the alternate; not to mention Ramdin´s elevation to the test captaincy.
dayne
Dec 31, 2014, 3:50:32 AM
It looks like Mr. Baptiste point of view is a little off center. However, the way the incident in India was handled by Cameron was not badly done. The dropping of the most effective ODI players in the region just before the World Cup was a bad idea IMO, but I could see why Bravo lost his captaincy.
Pacy
Dec 31, 2014, 3:50:34 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Then in 1998, Lloyd was the manager , when the then Brian Lara led West Indies team refused to travel to South Africa over money woes again with WICB. Lloyd, on that occasion was again disappointed that the players did not listen to him in threatening to abandon the tour then. In fact, it was reported that efforts were made to ask Courtney Walsh to captain the team instead of Lara but he refused. Now we have déjà vu in India with the Dwayne Bravo led West Indies team.
WICB has always been the same but Players then were not mere puppets. Walsh stood up along with the team.
Unfortunate that Holder who stood along with the Leaders in India has decided it is good to desert them then they need him.
Pacy
Dec 31, 2014, 3:56:01 AM
In reply to dayne
The dropping of the most effective ODI players in the region just before the World Cup was a bad idea IMO, but I could see why Bravo lost his captaincy.
Exactly the problem with WICB... EGO.
Just a week after the task force calls for Building Trust and what WICB does, damages it further with this decision.
I dont mind Bravo being relieved off the Captaincy but as players WI has very little talent pool available. On LO cricket Narine, Gayle, Bravo had been very important. Instead of Building around them they want to rebuild again since these 3 are not under WICB control... Will WI win with these 3 guys? Maybe or may not be. But no one can disagree that these 3 along with the regulars can make the team much stronger with their experience. But why would WICB care? Afterall they get the assured money as long as a team in maroon is representing WI.
Control, Power is what all these guys want.
jacksprat
Dec 31, 2014, 3:56:27 AM
So the guy who wrote this pile of garbage:
Many have already called for his dismissal with some on several radio programmes, blaming Camerons jealousy of the prominence of T&T players to be at the centre of this entire matter.
The the temerity to write this:
So at the moment, unless it appears our leaders in the region show some concern for cricket and forget about petty island rivalry, West Indies cricket, a once rich proud legacy, will forever be tarnished and become rotten with the stench of hubris.
The identity and nationality of the WICB president may changed but not structurally has change about the board. Until many of these blinkered, self-serving writers are willing to take their own homeboys to task, it will merely seem like sour grapes and a lack of credibilty.
sudden
Dec 31, 2014, 4:07:44 AM
Haha, as much as I think Devious Dave is a quack, Andre Baptiste is a flake. The first two lines of that post are idiotic intellectually. There is no such thing as good or bad when it comes to a person's legacy or arguably life in general. In some areas we are good and others atrocious. So whilst Devious Dave ultimately may have caused the Indian ODI tour to be cancelled the fallout may have led to a good thing in allowing WI to recalibrate.
The man then went on to say that TT palyers are the most outspoken and under Lloyd, Murray was the intellectual compass of the team. Well he failed to mention than Lara was one of the more petulant players who wore the white for the WI and that Bravo is as intellectually gifted as his batting average is to his indispensability
Baptiste then claims that Devious Dave is known to be jealous of TT players. Well if that doesn't take the cake, I dont think Rampaul would
People in the Caribbean accuse the TITs of being whiners and with this article Baptiste has strengthened that contention. Good thing we have Itito on this MB
Larr Pullo
Dec 31, 2014, 4:08:04 AM
Y'all should do like me. I see anything written by Andre Baptiste I give it a wide berth. That's 5 minutes of time wasted forever.
powen001
Dec 31, 2014, 4:09:40 AM
In reply to jacksprat
with the stroke of a pen this poor fella reminds all and sundry why TNT gets the rep it has...
must be the oil mixing in the water or something...wuhloss..thank God my Trini friends aint this far out...
boy the worst ones are the most vocal ent?
jacksprat
Dec 31, 2014, 4:16:41 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
....I see anything written by Andre Baptiste I give it a wide berth.
Thanks fore reminding me. I had totally forgotten
defeyeant
Dec 31, 2014, 4:17:20 AM
However, it is unfair to blame or cast aspersions on all Jamaicans because of Camerons riposte, as I am certain many persons both know and respect many intelligent, caring and sincere Jamaicans.
many people but not him? just asking
uton
Dec 31, 2014, 4:26:47 AM
Allyuh upset cause Trinis are intellectually and financially superior to most
. Take out the minor xenophobic bits and the man is spot on.
Cleg
Dec 31, 2014, 4:33:12 AM
In reply to jacksprat
Until many of these blinkered, self-serving writers are willing to take their own homeboys to task, it will merely seem like sour grapes and a lack of credibility.
Game Set and Match!!!!!
FanAttick
Dec 31, 2014, 4:34:53 AM
In reply to Cleg
Persecution Complex is the capital of T&T
Kurt
Dec 31, 2014, 4:44:14 AM
However, it is unfair to blame or cast aspersions on all Jamaicans because of Camerons riposte
Yet again Trinis show they are above petty insularity with this type of magnanimous statement.
Commie
Dec 31, 2014, 4:47:10 AM
POINT
Dec 31, 2014, 5:28:00 AM
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME , LET US ALL BE
CRYSTAL CLEAR . CAMERON WAS ONLY ACTING ON
INSTRUCTIONS OF HIS MASTERS ; THE
PRESIDENTS OF THE REGIONAL BOARDS WHO MANY
SEEM TO FORGET , SELECTED HIM TO BE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE WICB .
Now that being crystal clear , calling
for Cameron's head ALONE is an exercise in futility .Frankly those who are calling
ONLY for Cameron's head are barking up
the wrong freaking Tree .
If People in this Forum believe that the
removal of Cameron will solve ALL the
Problems regarding Cricket in the Region ; they will have a very rude & unpleasant
awakening . BUT PERHAPS WE LIKE IT SO .
I AINT GOING TO BE IN THAT JUMP UP
AND WAVE CROWD .
Without a total & complete restructuring
of ALL Elements & Components of Cricket
in the Region WE are simply spinning Top
in MUD ; AND THAT WE KNOW IS IMPOSSIBLE
TO DO .
natty_forever
Dec 31, 2014, 7:07:14 AM
... glad I never wasted my 5 minutes.
JahJah
Dec 31, 2014, 8:10:58 AM
In reply to natty_forever
Andy99 may have wasted his 30mins. Leh we ask he.
Emir
Dec 31, 2014, 10:02:59 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
I agree with the journalist. All that is needed now is for the fans to protest in front of the WICB HQ and for regional governments, starting in Port of Spain, to exert serious pressure on the local boards TO RESIGN- make their lives legally difficult if they won't resign. Use American legal tactics to get them to resign.
denoke
Dec 31, 2014, 12:16:25 PM
The journalist is spot on in this article.
XDFIX
Dec 31, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
How many millions y'all have to contribute?
We already see improvement under comrade Cameron
This is the new testament- watch the proceedings!
Article is pregnant with a lot of insularity!
denoke
Dec 31, 2014, 2:03:39 PM
In reply to XDFIX
What improvement? Look past the insularity the journalist points are valid. This situation I supported the players 1000% as in my opinion the WICB and its approach would have to fundamentally change as a result.
doublecentury
Dec 31, 2014, 2:54:35 PM
In reply to XDFIX
The iinsularity and hurt trini focus actually does Trinidad no favours.
Cameron needs to go though.
Lucian68
Dec 31, 2014, 3:57:27 PM
In reply to Emir
FYI,
Andre is not a journalist.
Emir
Dec 31, 2014, 4:35:22 PM
In reply to Lucian68
It matters not, he is correct