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HEADLINE: West Indies board hopes to settle India tangle with ties, not cash
CaribbeanCricket.com
Apr 2, 2015, 3:37:19 AM
WICB chief executive Michael Muirhead said on Tuesday the board would send a delegation to India with the main objective of negotiating a settlement which would be amicable, and would satisfy all parties, reports CMC.
"It could be that they could ask that instead of playing the Test matches that they play some more ODIs...it’s a matter of negotiations," Muirhead said.
"We have not gotten to sit down with them but we are planning for a delegation to go...and not just be high-handed and go in saying this is who we are bringing, sort of amenable to sitting down and letting us have reasonable negotiations.”
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Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 4:47:57 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!!
Decision making by the WICB made simple.
Wouldn't it have been a whole lot better, to say to the cricketers during the impasse in India, to continue with the tour and the WICB will reinstate your fees to what existed before the new WICB/WIPA Agreement and seek to find a mutual settlement of the dispute moving forward?
I guess, arrogance clouds objectivity and good judgement.
...or Dave's pea sized brain does not allow for rational thinking.
What a ting.
POINT
Apr 2, 2015, 5:59:13 AM
In reply to Courtesy
A very sensible response from you , that
is very unusual . But perhaps you are beginning to see the Light . Time will
informs us all , whether that is true or not True .
There is absolutely no doubt that the
WICB DECIDED TO CUTOFF THEIR NOSES
TO SPITE THEIR FACES , THAT DID NOT
WORK OUT SO WELL FOR THE WICB .
They were Reckless , Thoughtless ,
lacking in Foresight , lacking in
Business Acumen . ALL because of their
hatred , yes hatred is the appropriate
word , of the Players .
Yet despite all this Cameron & Hinds
were rewarded for their successful Coup in WIPA ,by handily being reelected .
Congratulations must also be given to the many CHARLATANS IN THE MEDIA , for refusing to summon up their testicular
fortitude , and ask the members of the
WICB if they had thought about the
Financial repercussions that would ensue
by cancelling the Tour .
They also need to ask the Members of the
WICB , if in hindsight they would have handled the matter differently .
THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ANY GOOD
JOURNALIST WOULD ASK , BUT SADLY IN
THE REGION THERE SEEMS TO BE NONE .
THE ONLY ARTICLES CRITICAL OF THE WICB
ARE WRITTEN BY PERSONS WHO ARE NOT
SPORTS JOURNALISTS , THEY APPARENTLY
ARE ASLEEP .
Ewart
Apr 2, 2015, 6:19:29 AM
In reply to Courtesy
It would have been the best thing. Indeed.
But it seems we have passed that. And now we are trying to do the next best thing...
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POINT
Apr 2, 2015, 6:26:39 AM
Cleg
Apr 2, 2015, 6:34:30 AM
In reply to Ewart
But it seems we have passed that.
Indeed!
No one got fired!
No one resigned!
....and the beat goes on!
POINT
Apr 2, 2015, 6:43:51 AM
In reply to Cleg
Leave Ewart alone , he is oblivious to the fact that this is a very serious matter .
What is very sad , is the fact that he is not alone in his thinking .
It may have escaped your attention , but
after this colossal blunder by the Emperors
there was a sudden influx of People in this
Forum , many of them supporters of the
Worst International Cricket Board in the World , aka , the WICB .
Walco
Apr 2, 2015, 6:52:19 AM
In reply to Courtesy
That's why the BCCI put the blame for that abandoned tour on the WICB and not the players. They saw the WICB ignoring an obvious and very simple solution.
And, of course, Big Bravo was sharing all of the behind-the-scenes goings on with his buddy Dhoni and those communications turned into a two-way channel. So when Tricky Dick Pybus approached the BCCI and requested that it threaten to terminate the IPL contracts of the WI players, the players found out about it almost immediately.
POINT
Apr 2, 2015, 6:53:00 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Evidently the BCCI does not want to deal
with Cameron , so now we find out that
Muirhead is no longer a Silent Guy , he really can speak .
WestDem
Apr 2, 2015, 7:06:08 AM
By the time this is all over...these delegations airfare and accomodations will exceed the 42M the BCCI is claiming....What! This is about the fifth delegation heading out there?
Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 7:09:29 AM
In reply to Ewart
But it seems we have passed that. And now we are trying to do the next best thing...
Yeah RIGHT!
"
Those who ignore history are bound..."
And Dave, your compatriot, gets a free pass. And now we move on, like all is nice and dandy on God's green earth.
Yeah, life in the tropics...no accountability...exonerate the national flag.
Walco
Apr 2, 2015, 7:13:25 AM
In reply to Courtesy
How dare you place blame of Dave! It's all the players' fault. Bravo, Sammy, Ramdin, Pollard and dem doan care about WI cricket
Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 7:20:25 AM
In reply to Walco
You mean...how dare I blame a Jamaican?
...........
On second thoughts, is all the players' fault.
It is the appropriate time to wash clean the feet of all the WICB directors and absolve them from any blame.
bobby
Apr 2, 2015, 7:54:59 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
This guy is obviously a clown. No wonder West Indies cricket is in such a mess.
Walco
Apr 2, 2015, 8:05:31 AM
In reply to Courtesy
I'm just channeling Jamaica Dave. That's what he has been going around saying to people.
Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 8:11:55 AM
In reply to Walco
We are on the same page, same frequency and wavelength with lambda Dave as the constant.
Read you loud and clear.
Verstehen
Apr 2, 2015, 8:12:41 AM
Replace cash with ties? These 'ties' better be Attolini, Drake, Charvet or Kiton...
Halliwell
Apr 2, 2015, 8:52:38 AM
In reply to Verstehen
Pacy
Apr 2, 2015, 9:28:43 AM
In reply to Cleg
No one got fired!
No one resigned!
Why are you spreading lies. Main culprits Bravo and Pollard were dropped. Did you not see that? If not for them this WICB would not be in this stage.
POINT
Apr 2, 2015, 9:36:46 AM
In reply to WestDem
I don't think that they are worried about that . I have no doubt that at some point they are going to come to to the Regional
Governments to Bail them out .
What I am worried about is that the Regional Governments will once again come to their Rescue , without any meaningful Strings attached . Cricket will be better off
if they ALL fall on their swords .
Ewart
Apr 2, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
In reply to Courtesy
Yeah RIGHT!
"Those who ignore history are bound..."
And Dave your compatriot gets a free pass. And now we move on, like all is nice and dandy on God's green earth.
Yeah, life in the tropics...no accountability...exonerate the national flag.
You sound off in righteous indignation. And you express it well.
Guess what? We have passed that.
Let us see your
constructive proposal(s) as to what should be done about the $42 million. And then we can have a reasoned discussion.
Anything else is just more vox clamans in deserto. Full of sound and fury..... signifying nothing.
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Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 1:08:35 PM
In reply to Ewart
We should never have had to be hatching plans to pay for such an unforced error in the first place.
Look, when someone in a position of authority is found responsible for an unpardonable transgression they should pay the price.
By all means, solve the problem in the most cost effective manner but also let the person(s) who caused the problem be contrite and apologize for having caused the problem.
This is what effective leadership is all about.
When Dave Cameron apologizes to Caribbean people for his bungling in a sincere manner, then and only then will De Courtesy move on.
It is all well and good for Dave Cameron to carry on like this in his private business but certainly not at the WICB.
There can never be effective mgt without accountability and this is what is lacking and has led the WICB to where it is now... a failed institution.
Sorry. De Courtesy never throws his hand in the air like a defeatist and say better cannot be done.
Cricketers have paid a price. What price has the WICB paid?
I firmly believe in horizontal equity, what about you?
Scar
Apr 2, 2015, 1:22:11 PM
Ewart
Apr 2, 2015, 1:50:23 PM
In reply to Courtesy
So you are calling for an apology??
And if he does that, what then???
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Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 1:51:49 PM
In reply to Ewart
We can move on from there.
Dave should not be allowed to carry on as if nothing happened.
archangel
Apr 2, 2015, 2:30:33 PM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
The players causing the Board to sell out more.
rubberd
Apr 2, 2015, 2:32:03 PM
In reply to Ewart
Remember this! Called precedent
The tour's confirmation came after an assurance from CSA that it would suspend its CEO, Haroon Lorgat, from dealing with matters related to India and the ICC pending an inquiry by the world body into allegations against him. The allegations relate to Lorgat's role in the statement issued by David Becker, formerly the ICC's legal head, that the BCCI's flouting of the FTP could have legal implications. In his statement, released to the media last week, Becker had said it was "improper" to allow a member body to "blatantly disregard an ICC resolution".
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Ewart
Apr 2, 2015, 6:34:04 PM
In reply to Courtesy
We can move on from there.
Dave should not be allowed to carry on as if nothing happened.
Good. I don't think you will find anyone in disagreement with that posture.
Now, with that behind us, I can safely turn to matters of Holy Thursday and Good Friday.
Peace and Blessings to you all...
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Courtesy
Apr 2, 2015, 7:02:10 PM
In reply to Ewart
That being said, will you please give priority to the washing of Dave Cameron's feet as well as all the persons in officialdom at the WICB?
Ewart
Apr 2, 2015, 7:09:38 PM
db
Apr 2, 2015, 7:31:48 PM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
HEADLINE: West Indies board hopes to settle India tangle with ties - where are they going to buy $42mill worth of ties?
Drapsey
Apr 3, 2015, 2:48:30 AM
I haven't read all posts on the thread, so I don't know whether my sentiments coincide with any previously stated.
Should this expedition materialize into something positive, like accomplishing the stated objective of strengthening ties among other things, let's hope that as a group we return to the subject and bestow the earned accolades on not only the conception of the idea, but the actors as well.
POINT
Apr 3, 2015, 6:01:25 AM
In reply to Drapsey
Frankly the proposed 42 million dollars should not go away . There must be , in my opinion a deterrent for the Casual , Reckless & Asinine behaviour of the Worst International Cricket Board in the World ;
aka the WICB .
THE DECISION TO PULL THE PLUG ON THE TOUR
WAS NOT MADE BY CAMERON ALONE . BECAUSE
LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE WICB .
THE REGIONAL BOARDS PRESIDENTS & THEIR
DEPUTIES HAVE MUCH MORE POWER THAN CAMERON
AFTER ALL THEY GAVE HIM HIS JOB .
Failure to penalize the WICB will only embolden its Members to pull that stunt
again . My perspective is that those who are Reckless & Stupid , must pay a very
Stiff penalty to deter them from being
Reckless & Stupid .
Does anyone think that Australia ; England ; New Zealand ; Pakistan ; India ; South
Africa ; Sri Lanka et al ,would have acted so Reckless & Stupid ???
rubberd
Apr 3, 2015, 9:38:11 AM
In reply to POINT
Unless Garner was lying during his presidential bid, he said WICB decisions is currently a one man show.
After the pull out a commentator did say he called a number of board members and they were unaware of action taken and series of events.
Chrissy
Apr 3, 2015, 9:42:37 AM
In reply to Courtesy
Look the regional goons just reelected these morons.
POINT
Apr 3, 2015, 1:24:26 PM
In reply to rubberd
Let us all be crystal clear , Dave Cameron
could not be the President of the WICB if the Regional Boards Presidents and their
Deputies did not Vote for him .
If you look in the Weeds , you will discover that the Reason that Cameron & Wavell Hinds were reelected handily , is due to the fact
that both of them engineered a successful COUP , and captured WIPA for the WICB .
rubberd
Apr 3, 2015, 3:05:38 PM
In reply to POINT
You in town too long to limit the issue to election of a President. Governance is key, Cameron knows where the edge is located and will operate to suit. How many sub-committees have not met during his tenure because he has usurped their authority.
The first Digicel contract is a classic of how not to operate, it is probably the most significant 3rd party transaction, yet shrouded in mystery. Best practice would have the board being briefed on pro & cons, incremental revenues streams, restrictive covenants etc etc. Same thing when television rights were sold to insiders.
Forbes Burnham ones said something to the effect that an incumbent only loses if he wants to. Cameron and Wavell were able to hijack the process when they saw the tide changing, more power to them. Let us see how they govern, first test and the rumblings already started, barmy army unhappy, Antigua questioning wisdom of Monday start and lack of promotion, will they recover their investment. Business as usual it is not.
Drapsey
Apr 4, 2015, 3:28:39 AM
In reply to Chrissy
Look the regional goons just reelected these morons.
Man, what a letdown. After establishing standards with the Doctors Hunte, Peters, Hilaire, Beckles, how could they continue to elect such morons armed only with the equivalent of a GCE 'O' level education to such high profile positions thereby continuing to embarrass a proud region's people?
No 'pea-brained' (© Courtesy) allowed.
Some of the blame should be attributed to those mentioned Doctors though. During their tenure, they should've set (changed) the electoral rules so that only candidates of their own educational standards are eligible for executive offices, or alternatively, established such a success rate/standard that changing the rules as suggested would be rendered moot.
POINT
Apr 5, 2015, 5:25:45 PM
In reply to rubberd
I understand what you are saying , but like I stated , because Cameron & Hinds engineered the Coup in WIPA , they had no choice but to stick with them , especially
since they delivered WIPA to the WICB .
You see , it does not matter to Cameron and the Board what day the Test Match starts , Damocles sword in the shape of 42 million dollars is hanging over their heads .
This means that they have to agree with
what others Teams tell them , they aint
worried , they getting TV Rights etc .
The truth is they are not interested in
having , large numbers of the Public showing up to look at the matches .
They are not even interested whether our
Players & Team are competitive or not ;
THE ONLY THING THAT THOSE IN THE
GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET ARE INTERESTED IN
IS BEING IN THE GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET
FOREVER . WHETHER THEY HAVE MONEY OR
NOT .
They would not even bat an eyelash if
the ICC decide that our Players & Team
are reduced to the same status , as the Associate Countries .
When that happens , it would be very interesting to read and hear what Cozier ;
Fazeer ; Becca et al will have to say ;
because they all have a Symbiotic relationship with those who are in the governance of Cricket in the Region .