By inadvertent yet timely coincidence, the directors of the West Indies Cricket Board hold their quarterly meeting in St Lucia on December 12 and 13, in the middle of West Indies' first Test in Australia in a series long written off as destined to be embarrassingly one-sided.

Their first order of business is to come to a position on the CARICOM (Caribbean Community) review panel's report on its governance. WICB president Dave Cameron was slated to meet on the issue with the head of the CARICOM sub-committee on cricket, Grenada prime minister Keith Mitchell, on December 4. Since the report recommended the board be "immediately dissolved and all current members resign", to be replaced by an interim board, their response is easy to predict.

As potentially critical as it is to the future of the WICB, the continuing, and seemingly escalating, weakness of the team requires the directors' equally urgent attention. It has caused such overall anguish that it brought an emotional reaction from Sir Garry Sobers at a media conference during the team's recent tour of Sri Lanka.

The Australian media, if not Cricket Australia itself, acknowledged West Indies' dismal record in proposing that the more competitive New Zealand replace them for the showpiece Tests in Melbourne and Sydney. Because of already set international itineraries, implementing that proposal was impractical, but it did reflect widespread opinion.

 

 

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In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

What about Wavell?

Wavell is the players' representative/advocate; he and WIPA do not set policy governing West Indies cricket.

In reply to jacksprat

Wavell is just as, if not more culpable, than Cameron & Pybus for this situation.

Yep - they all created this mess.

I think Tony is too harsh on the PCL. I think playing home and away as well as compensating the players is a huge improvement over what took place in the not too distant past.

Cozier writing like a scorned woman. Over the last 10 years or more were West Indies world beaters?

Just plain personal vendetta because Cameron call him out for not seeing well

Give Cameron a break, let the guy serve his term then talk about restructure after

In reply to XDFIX

So why Rousseau agitates against DD Cameron?

In reply to imusic

Remind, did the state of West Indies cricket just become parlous over the past 4 years?

Remember HHGS and how unnu couldn't wait to see them go? Wuh loss muh belly!

President "Dr" Julian Hunte was a member of the WICB cabal for the better part of 40 years...his time was up!

Dave Cameron, too, has been part of that clique for more than a decade and was even Hunte's VP. Nothing...has...changed. Just a game of musical chairs!

The less said about the useless Claptain, Sammy, & the arrogant Hilarious One (copyright Gleaner columnist Gordon Robinson) the better!

DD Cameron's presidency such as it is, has some unnuh so twisted that if unnu stand next to a corkscrew unnu won't see unnu own shadow

In reply to XDFIX

Cozier needs to hang it up--He like Becca are Dinosaurs--

In reply to sudden

Rousseau is from the great house and Cameron from the canefield - think about that carefully!

In reply to buds

Cozier is irrelevant...but even a dinosaur can see wi cricket at its all time lowest ebb.cameron must go.

The failures of our Cricketers in the Region , are mainly due to the
Management of Cricket in the Region .

Most people love to be critical of the easiest target the Players ; blithely
ignoring the fact that it aint the Players who are in control of Cricket in the Region .

The do not set Policy , the duration of the Regional Tournaments ; the duration of Camps & Warm up Matches . It is those who are in the governance of Cricket in the Region , who must therefore bear the brunt of most of
the criticisms regarding the State of
Cricket in the Region .

The main reason for the failure of Cricket in the Region , are the following :

1. The WICBC's failure to understand that when in the mid 1980's England
limited the number of Players from playing Cricket in England ; it was going to seriously affect the competitiveness of Our Players .

2. The WICBC failed to understand that this policy by England , turned our Professional Cricketers from full time Players to being Part time Cricketers . Obviously their skills over time became Dull .

3. At that juncture in the mid 1980's
Our Players & Team were the Best in the World . That being the case ; it
would have been relatively easy to
form a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League . Sponsors love Winners & also love their Brands associating with Winners . So getting Financial Sponsors would not have been a problem .

4. The WICBC did absolutely nothing
regarding this dire situation until 3 freaking years ago . Obviously this
must be considered as wilful neglect by the WICBC .

5. The WICBC also failed to realize
that when the International Cricket Cabal changed the Schedules of International Cricket Tours , that benefitted Countries that had in place Pro & Semi Pro Leagues .

Let me say this , in the days when
International Teams went to England , they played many matches between the Test Matches . In those days when our Players toured England ; they played over half the English Counties & and other Matches .

Those many matches kept our Players skills finely honed and made them very competitive . It was these many matches that made our Players & Team Great , in lieu of having a Pro or Semi Pro League .

More importantly , those matches also assisted in making our Players acclimatized to the Conditions of both the Weather & the Pitches . Unfortunately , that aint the case these days .

These are the main factors that have
contributed to the current Abysmal state of Cricket in the Region & the
performances of our Players in the International Cricket Arena .

In reply to jacksprat


Wavell is a flunkee of Jamaican Dave who orchestrated and conspired against his members. As usual here comes JS the defender

[b]In reply to XDFIX

u kidding me, what about 'out of many we are one'

In reply to tc1

Jamaica is a highly class structured society, ask Chrissy

Moreover, pigmentation is a huge under belly in the Caribbean.

In reply to POINT

Until the high schools and clubs get it right we wasting our time calling for Cameron's head and the restructure

In reply to tc1

Who is defending Wavell Hinds in anything? Is Hinds part of the WICB, which sets policy for West Indies cricket.

Tell me, in which professional sport is the leader of players' union responsible for the administration of the sport?

Just so you know, I do not focus on the passport so, from the outset, I never supported Dave Cameron; neither when he was part of Hunte's administration nor when he ran for the presidency in his own right.

I knew, with him at the helm, it would merely be more of the same and nothing would change. He and all the other are all the same-including all the WICB directors who voted to confirm him.

By the way, again, what's with this "Jamaican Dave" nonsense?

Are you sure your only issue with Cameron is merely with his competence, or lack of it, or is there something else at play?

Why do you think "Jamaican" should be used as an epithet?

Maybe this latent prejudice gives some insight into why the Jamaican visitor, Shanice Myrie, was abused by that immigration officer in Barbados!

In reply to XDFIX


Let me remind you , that Fish never Rots from the Tail Up , but from the Head Down . This is precisely why WE
first have to deal with Cameron & Co.

It is the WICBC , that is in the governance of Cricket in the Region , it aint the Players . If the Players were in the governance of Cricket in the Region , then I would call for them to be removed .

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
These guys should have been fired long time. Is only in the west indies cricket lovers will fire key players before the administrators. In the NBA if a team is not performing the first person they get rid of is management / coaches.

Under Cameron/ Nanthan/ Pybus, our cricket keeps getting from bad to worse and based on the trend, we are all but dead! yet they seem untouchable while we have lost players like Gayle, Bravo, Powel, Chanderpaul, Fedel, Kirk Edwards. and others. It's almost too late for us

In recent years when our test players were on strike we still had some young players to turn to. But who do we turn to if the Holder team decides to strike? My point is, this year they decided to get rid of the college team from our domestic completion, which in essence is getting rid of our farm system that was used to develop and expose our young cricketers, instead of making it better. Everything is just a mess and something needs to give. We need to fire the entire board and replace them with people that have our cricket at heart.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Who in the WI HAVE the TESTICULAR FORTITUDE to CHALLENGE THEM or DEMAND ANYTHING FROM THEM? The HORSE is RULING the CART.

In reply to Baje
Playing home and away is not revolutionary or players getting paid.

In reply to POINT
Regarding your assertion about the lack of opportunities for our players in England from the mid-80's is a myth. More West Indian cricketers were playing cricket in England from the mid-80's through the 90's than at anytime in our cricket history.

In reply to jacksprat

That is just the basic issue. It is a same bunch over decades, with same mindset and approach driving WI through downward spiral. only thing is that with every leadership change the arrogance and disregard increases further.

These guys are too proud to work with players but don't feel ashamed where wi cricket is today and they were incapable of making any difference for decades. Leeches

In reply to denoke

Were they playing County Cricket ???

What about the change in the Schedules
by the ICC , as I stated before , the
many matches before & between the
Tests served the following purposes .

First these many matches honed the skills of visiting Teams , and also
allowed them to get acclimatized to both the Weather & conditions of the Pitches .

In reply to jacksprat

just having fun, for all the ugly bajan jokes on [Gibson], u guys very soft and cannot take a little rubbing.

I don't live in Bim, I know very little of current affairs in the Caribbean.

In reply to jacksprat

For clarification, the individual accused, and "found guilty" (he was not criminally prosecuted), in the Myrie incident was a policeman stationed at Grantley Adams airport, not an immigration officer. It might interest you that this individual (the same policeman) was recently arrested and charged with murder for summarily executing a fellow Barbadian citizen in broad daylight in front of a crowd of onlookers. There are bad apples everywhere bredrin.

In reply to XDFIX

In which ghetto or plantation was Cameron born and raised?

Is Billy Heaven from the Great House as well? He is far from a Cameron supporter.

In reply to tc1

You keep repeating the same falsehood as if it will somehow become the truth.

I repeat: Please point me to even a single post where I, or anyone else, called Gibson an "Ugly Bajan".

In reply to jacksprat

Are you saying that neither you nor any poster you know called Gibson an ugly bajan?

In reply to sudden

Yes I am saying just that and if you or anyone else say otherwise I am prepared to call you a liar!

In reply to jacksprat
To be absolutely clear, are you saying that Gibson was never called an ugly bajan by you or any other poster on this MB?

In reply to sudden

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH...Now i've seen it all....

In reply to sudden

Did I stutter?

We can end the quibbling now ! Please point me to the post where I called Gibson an "Ugly Bajan"

The ball is in your court because your credibility is on the line!

In reply to sudden

Courtesy come een

As far as I recall, Spratty generally called Gibson "Coach Uglyman" and Chairman Hunte "Double Ugly." It appears that he is now claiming that his references to Gibson as ugly had nothing to do with his "bajan-ness."

In reply to Walco

Correction: it was "President Double Ugly"

They have tried to peddle this same falsehood-the Big Lie- before and have ignored all efforts to correct them.

Of course I do not expect an apology for their blatant lie because it would undermine their agenda.

In reply to jacksprat

I stand corrected.

Humor by adults regarding the physical appearance of an individual is a commonly accepted practice among West Indians. I do not engage in such humor because it usually involves making fun of the person's skin color or "African" features.

In reply to Walco

I too am sensitive to our warped sense of values where it concerns a denigration of our African heritage.

It was because of concern why I tweaked the title of a popular song by Toots & the Maytals to come up with "Uglyman" instead.

In reply to Walco

Even were that true, you see a difference between calling Gibson who is a bajan, Coach Uglyman, and calling him, the ugly bajan?

Isnt that the same as they saying when Beckles said that Gayle behaved like a don that he was calling Gayle a don?


Not only did jockstrap say he didn't call Gibson an ugly bajan but he said no other poster did

In reply to sudden

This isht is funny.

In reply to sudden

Good point. I must admit that I did not follow the "Don" discussion very closely though.

In reply to Commie

Man, I am waiting for Courtesy. I don't think it is funny I think it is shameful really

In reply to jacksprat

Which song are you referring to?

In reply to sudden

Nuff Shiv fans had "ugly" words for "Opiss" after Shiv was involuntarily retired from ODIs back in 2011.

In reply to sudden

Man...it is funny. Its no wonder that nation leads the world in skin bleach usage.

In reply to Commie

And the Ja national cricket coach closely resembles Gibson as about 80% of Ja

In reply to sudden

Portia even looks like Gibson.

In reply to sudden

Are you really that daft?

I guess so!!

Let....Me..Try..To Explain....Again...Slowly..

If you don't see the difference between insulting a person as an individual and insulting that same person based on his group identity- race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc- then I can't help you!

So go ahead and insult the individuals Junior Bennett & Portia Simpson-Miller as much as you want.

I...Do...Not... Care!!!

In reply to jacksprat

Man stop pretending.

In reply to Commie

What can I say about queen portia. ..ahem she look like fambily to you

In reply to sudden

I was away and could not respond to JS, these yardies mental state is weak, they post all sorts of nasty stuff about bajans and others and any slight rubbing they cannot take.

In reply to Walco

thanks for this current news, JS behavior resembles that of a hypocrite, he and many yardies called Otis the ugly bajan ,or coach ugly man.

In reply to tc1

Mek dem yaadies know how yuh feel tc1

For the record me nevah did call Hotis hugly

Didn't have to

In reply to ponderiver


i bet that when u look in the mirror , u thought u were Hotis twin

In reply to tc1

Think about wuh yuh jus seh

In reply to jacksprat

We have all been unavoidably conditioned to view as beautiful or good looking a European ideal that for the most part does not resemble our people. This is why if you have two otherwise identical twins with different complexions the light-skinned one will be viewed as better looking; and it is why someone with "African" features like Gibson or Junior Bennett will general be viewed as not handsome or even ugly, and someone like Jimmy Adams who is closer to the European ideal is more likely to be viewed as handsome. It is for this reason that I will never refer to someone with African features as ugly.

In reply to Walco

this is too deep for JP

In reply to POINT
On point.

We love to berate our own when it suits us but gloss over the big issues.

Now that we have a PCB in place, which team/s will take its squad on tour etc to groom its talent or do they sit back and wait for the WICB.

Finally skimmed through this thread -

Two comments

1. TC - go easy on the PCL. It would not fix our cricket "overnight" and it should not be the only measure used to address it - but it is a step in the right direction.

2. Otis Gibson is ugly (in many people's opinion);)
That does not impact his ability (positively or negatively) as a coach!