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HEADLINE: WICB responds to Caricom Secretary General Irwin Larocque

 
CaribbeanCricket.com Dec 29, 2015, 2:16:06 AM 

Following a meeting between members of the CARICOM longCommittee on Cricket Governance and the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) in Grenada to discuss the findings and recommendations of the Review Panel on Cricket Governance, it was agreed that the WICB receive feedback from its constituent members and revert to the CARICOM Committee on its findings.
WICB President Whycliffe “Dave” Cameron responded by extending gratitude to CARICOM for its interest in the growth and development of the sport and said they look forward to working together to achieve our common objectives.
In a lengthy response highlighting several aspects of the deliberations, which Kaieteur Sport was able to obtain, the WICB stated its position on the matters raised by the CARICOM Review Panel. We will let our readers peruse the response and draw their conclusions on the status of our regional game and also weigh in on the deliberations.

Kaieteur News has the article


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WestDem Dec 29, 2015, 3:38:53 AM 

WICB not going anywhere... They are a real powerhouse in the region.

 
Courtesy Dec 29, 2015, 4:11:36 AM 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

This is really a laughable development.

In presenting this verbose document the WICB has actually pronounced a guilty verdict on itself.

The WICB in assessing its suitability and effectiveness for delivering the product (cricket) should have considered and concerned itself with the Structure of the Organisation, the various processes to achieve its strategic goals and the current poor outcomes which have been perennial. And a lack of an internal structure to undertake its own evaluation and re-evaluation.

This document endorses exactly what the various reports have concluded: A cumbersome structure which negates effective decision making; a myriad of processes and committees whose undertakings ultimately lead to poor outcomes.

The WICB should accept ownership of the poor state of West Indies cricket which it strangely admits that it is ultimately responsible for (while initially and very early in the piece downplaying this responsibility) and resign to facilitate a more modern structure which will engender efficient mgt which will lead to better results and greater accountability.

NB. These sentiments have been expressed very early here when De Courtesy joined this bored.

This document is beautifully designed to attempt to stall the Caricom cricket initiative but was engineered by a cohort of directors who are not so bright and are in fact clueless.

I have no argument as to who should lead the charge or whether Caricom is the right organisation to do so...but it is a necessary and urgent need.

Nuff said.

 
camos Dec 29, 2015, 4:40:58 AM 

there is no consensus among CARICOM that change is needed, there are those who currently get enormous benefits from the current structure and are not going to push for change.

 
POINT Dec 29, 2015, 4:43:26 AM 

The salient Questions that the WICBC
has deliberately refused to address are the following .

1. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF

COMMISSIONING SEVERAL REPORTS AND

THEN IGNORING THEM ???


2. WHY DID IT TAKE OVER TWO DECADES

TO HAVE A REGIONAL PRO LEAGUE ??


3. WHY WAS THAT NOT DONE WHEN OUR

PLAYERS & TEAM WERE THE BEST IN

THE WORLD ????


4. WHY DID N'T THE WICBC REALIZE THAT

THE CHANGE IN THE TOUR SCHEDULE

WAS ULTIMATELY GOING TO AFFECT

CRICKET IN THE REGION DUE TO THE

FACT THAT IN THE REGION THERE WAS

NOT A PRO OR SEMI PRO LEAGUE ???


5. THE REGIONAL TOURNAMENTS AT ONE

TIME HAD SPONSORS ; IT IS THE

DUTY OF THE WICBC TO TELL THE

GENERAL PUBLIC , WHY THESE

SPONSORS STOPPED BEING SPONSORS ??


These are questions that the WICBC
must answer , they are not a figment
of my Imagination , and No One can
factually dispute what I have stated .

 
Star Dec 29, 2015, 4:44:40 AM 

In reply to Courtesy

[quote]Great focus was placed on connecting WICB governance directly to the on-field performance of the senior team.

I do not understand why Mr.Astaphan put that statement in there. Don't he understand that the two are intertwined? Disgruntled employees who know they are being treated unfairly by their employers will always under-perform.

This team is selected by a Selection Committee comprising cricket legends. The team consists of the best players available for selection.

This is twisting it a little. The team is selected with interference from WICB management. The reason why Simmonds spoke out.

 
Courtesy Dec 29, 2015, 4:49:39 AM 

In reply to Star
The buck stops with the WICB and they cannot shirk responsibility.

Astaphan is an excellent West Indian lawyer...but in this instance he has failed to make the connection between the WICB and the poor cricket outcomes.

I understand perfectly his modus operandi. This is what I expected from a lawyer who represents the WICB.

Astaphan is doing his job.

 
POINT Dec 29, 2015, 4:59:29 AM 

It is a lot of FLUFF , but no Substance ; in a vain attempt to obfuscate the
FACTS . I sincerely hope that the
Regional Governments & the People in the Region , are not bamboozled by this
Presentation , Mr. Astaphan is simply
Singing for his Supper .

 
Star Dec 29, 2015, 5:04:53 AM 

In reply to Courtesy
Most of his points are lawyerly and well argued but I am baffled as to why he would state the obvious concerns of the committee and then try to make those concerns seem normal.

What is the strategy here?

 
Courtesy Dec 29, 2015, 5:09:29 AM 

In reply to Star

Star 12/29/15 12:04:53 PM
In reply to Courtesy
Most of his points are lawyerly and well argued but I am baffled as to why he would state the obvious concerns of the committee and then try to make those concerns seem normal.

What is the strategy here?


I don't think there was any other way to present the case. Except that he made that schoolboy error which we have highlighted.

I am sure the other strategy re: authority for dissolution of the WICB will be battled in court later on in the proceedings.

 
ponderiver Dec 29, 2015, 5:11:22 AM 

Oh dear big grin big grin

Deadly Dave strikes again
What we need to address this issue is a comment from the Chair of the Caricom Cricket committee .

He should call for a joint emergency session and shut the bandits down....

Only problem is, who controls the finances....
Players pensions, sla's at board level,Broadcasting contracts
Sponsorship,etc...

 
tc1 Dec 29, 2015, 5:19:40 AM 

In reply to ponderiver

is caricruim going to shut down WIC, all the officers of caricruim are members of the WIC

 
Star Dec 29, 2015, 5:30:27 AM 

In reply to Courtesy
I am not privy as to the inner workings of CARICOM when it comes to issues such as this one.

Must there be a consensus on the issue of dissolution? If so there will be a roadblock in getting there.

Mr.Skerritt is not in favour.

 
Kurt Dec 29, 2015, 5:36:50 AM 

It is therefore wrong to blame “governance” of the WICB for the team’s performances on the field


That right there should be enough to immediately disqualify the entire board from managing cricket, or indeed any other enterprise. One expects that sort of shit in this Rum Shop by mental drunkards like Commie and one long suspected that the WICB actually believed this crap but it still amazing that they actually put it to paper.

 
Courtesy Dec 29, 2015, 5:39:11 AM 

In reply to Star

I am not privy as to the inner workings of CARICOM when it comes to issues such as this one.

Must there be a consensus on the issue of dissolution? If so there will be a roadblock in getting there.

Mr.Skerritt is not in favour.


The Caricom Cricket Committee will present any issue (report) to the Heads of Government. There must be consensus on any issue.

The problem has always been implementation of the decisions as was the case with Dominica's nominee for the post of Commonwealth Secretary-General.

Did you intend asking though about "...inner workings of the WICB?"

 
Commie Dec 29, 2015, 6:10:21 AM 

In reply to Kurt

I hope when you thrust deep into whichever orifice you derive pleasure from that you don't call my name because I'm not taking blame for your underperformance there too.

 
googly1961 Dec 29, 2015, 6:10:58 AM 

Astaphan... that name is familiar..


Same last name as the doctor who forked up Ben Johnson's drug protocol in 1988

Who is paying he?

 
Star Dec 29, 2015, 8:12:11 AM 

In reply to Courtesy
Yes

 
POINT Dec 29, 2015, 8:22:25 AM 

So what happened when the Guyana Government took the Guyana Cricket Board to Court ???

Did the WICBC & the ICC go into the Court , and appear on behalf of the GCB ?? I found that interesting , since the WICBC & the ICC perpetually spout Crap about Governments must not intervene in Cricket .

In this Forum I have cited on many occasions , the fact that the President of Pakistan on 4 separate occasions fired the Pakistan Cricket Board . He appointed a Chairman & an
Ad Hoc Committee to run Cricket in
Pakistan on those 4 occasions .

Interestingly the ICC could not do one Blasted thing . So when the ICC
claims that Governments cannot intervene in Cricket , That is a Blasted Lie .

Governments however cannot run Cricket Boards Indefinitely . They can temporarily be in control of
Cricket Boards until there are new Elections for positions on the Cricket Board .

 
DIEHARD Dec 29, 2015, 8:54:20 AM 

In reply to Kurt


lol lol lol lol lol


Do they hear themselves?

If it was a PLC's Board making such a statement? Would it sound better? Let's see...


It is therefore wrong to blame “governance” of the company for the performance of the employees


...Looks just as egregious..its actually laughable that they put that on paper...and sent it out for people to read

 
TheTrail Dec 29, 2015, 9:22:57 AM 

In reply to Courtesy and Star



Thanks to you and star for keeping this info on topic and ignore the trash. One could tell on this MB who the interrupters were in primary school and throughout high school...that is if they got that far.

 
POINT Dec 29, 2015, 10:32:50 AM 

I am still awaiting a response regarding what I have stated above ,
I would like to hear the Bright Guys in
this Forum address what I have stated
above .

 
Chrissy Dec 30, 2015, 5:38:15 AM 

In reply to Courtesy

This sentiments?????


Please translate into English!

 
Courtesy Dec 30, 2015, 5:45:55 AM 

In reply to Chrissy

I don't make these silly mistakes that often Chrissy.

Any other error apart from "bored"? I am at your service.

Thanks a million. No hard feelings.

lol lol lol