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HEADLINE: Graceless Gayle, tactless and unprofessional
CaribbeanCricket.com
Jan 11, 2016, 2:07:02 AM
Chris Gayle’s comments toward Australian Ten Sports’ presenter Mel McLaughlin were tactless, graceless and categorically unprofessional, whether it was said in Australia, Kazakhstan, Myanmar or any part of the Caribbean.
At the same time the call by Ian Chappell for an international ban on Gayle is fraught with unreasonableness and ludicrousness after Gayle issued an ‘apology’ and was fined US$7,000.
There are two lessons to be learnt from Gayle’s unthinkingness. Firstly, the undesirable behaviour (not unique to Gayle) did not germinate in Melbourne, Australia but had its seeds sewn and fertilised in the Caribbean by the many institutions and people who have lauded his (and others) sporting talents and allowed balls of wool to be pulled over their critical and objective eyes.
read the full article at Trinidad Guardian
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londoner
Jan 11, 2016, 2:23:00 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.comwhat total clap trap is this, reporter is writing. He has oplogise for his behavior. We saw what Clinton did in America while being president, would this reporter would have him impeach?. In London in the summer time, guys working on building sites have said worst things to women passing than what Gayle said. Move on, he did not touch her on parts of her body which is out of bounds, that I would say is a disgrace. He wants to read Geoffrey Boycott bio, then he would some thing to say. One of Margaret Thatcher, cabinet Minster once said she was sexy he not sexiest too?.
Commie
Jan 11, 2016, 2:50:19 AM
A very reasonable article and take. Kudos.
Larr Pullo
Jan 11, 2016, 2:51:46 AM
In reply to londoner
Your stance is exactly the position the write highlighted when he said "Apparently two wrongs make a right once it serves someone’s interest! "
Read this and digest:
Had the CPL in 2014 reprimanded Gayle for his comments at a press conference in Antigua instead of claiming that, “Chris is excited for the tournament and was having a laugh with a journalist, who has a laugh back; there was no malice intended” (Jamaica Observer July 18, 2014), he would have known that such a behaviour is unacceptable and distasteful even in the Caribbean.
Additionally, Caribbean cricket fans could have also reflected on such a reprimand of a ‘superstar’. Instead such a response by the CPL was a further granting of unrestrained use of language to exhibit power over others especially women in an appropriated male space of Caribbean cricket. This is another example of how Gayle’s behaviour is also the product of a complex and contradictory Caribbean culture.
The CPL committee missed a golden opportunity to demonstrate to all its stakeholders especially the headliner players that any form of behaviour that transgresses the rights of people through sexism, racism, classism, ethnicity and sexual orientation will be unequivocally unacceptable.
Courtesy
Jan 11, 2016, 3:42:14 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Larr, it is obvious that the facter cannot understand what he reads, otherwise he would not have posted this shoite.
This is quite prevalent on this MB.
Cole
Jan 11, 2016, 3:55:32 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Jumping on the bandwagon. A total load of sh*te and you call yourself ah journalist.
googly1961
Jan 11, 2016, 6:09:55 AM
Larr Pullo my youth... you and I are on the same page...
Kay
Jan 11, 2016, 6:20:58 AM
Balanced article. He identified the problems and offered solutions unlike many on here who keep screaming on top of their lungs that is race, politics, jealousy and whatever else makes them feel good on the day .....
StumpCam
Jan 11, 2016, 6:35:01 AM
In reply to Commie
Without reading anyone,s comments, that is how I felt about the article. A very balanced view indeed.
ponderiver
Jan 11, 2016, 7:57:24 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
What load of bollocks
what an awful article ,shame on you for allowing such a poorly written article to be headlined in such a vehicle for cricket as Caribbean cricket.com.
it is spiteful ,mean spirited, clearly written by someone who has an axe to grind and who couldn't wait to put the boot in.
The author clearly has no idea of the journey of our people and how we came to be cast adrift in the so called paradise.
The irony is that most of the world are coming around to the idea that Gayle at worst was guilty of harmless flirtation.
This is totally at odds with the writers premise as if his was a majority worldly view.
To some, it would appear that Gayle by his actions has ideas above his station and ought to be put in his place.
Here is a more balanced article that really ought to be making the headlines on CC.COM For the sake of balance ,I dare you to publish it
Samwells
Jan 11, 2016, 9:58:13 AM
Good grief....move the fack on now man. For fack sake people are starving and have no place to sleep. Can't believe people still chatting bout this.
summergon
Jan 11, 2016, 10:37:53 AM
I wonder what the author of this article thinks of Carnival and the lyrics of some of the songs on radio, images in the videos, advertising on tv and print these days.
Let us remember how Kathy Freeman was treated in Australia before the Sydney Olympics and the flag carrying saga.
JahJah
Jan 11, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
In reply to summergon
I wonder what the author of this article thinks of Carnival
Like most of the righteous ones, probably indulging and grabbing some stranger in the street to wuk up on.
Yu done know how it guh. All of a sudden nuff people are paragons of virtue when it comes to treating the other with respect and equality.
DAVE400
Jan 12, 2016, 3:12:14 AM
I am convinced that none of the JDF actually read the article... No way.
ponderiver
Jan 12, 2016, 3:20:04 AM
In reply to DAVE400
you really haven't recovered from the church gurl in the tight dress..... nah worries ,dont blush baby !!! let it go 
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 3:38:45 AM
In reply to ponderiver
Now you see why dem cyan differentiate between dem opinions and dem guesses
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 4:05:58 AM
In reply to DAVE400
Might be some literacy issues there too.
tc1
Jan 12, 2016, 4:29:52 AM
In reply to londoner
In NYC construction workers can be dismiss for calling at women, maybe London is still in the dark ages
Larr Pullo
Jan 12, 2016, 4:29:56 AM
ponderiver
Jan 12, 2016, 4:31:36 AM
In reply to CW
seet deh
yuh notice how quickly the DDF do a reconnaissance when a yaadie deh bout
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 4:48:56 AM
In reply to Commie
I went to a book signing last evening – the hosts were Professor Cornel West and Professor Eddie S. Glaude Jr. the author of the book in question “DEMOCRACY IN BLACK” – Dr. Glaude a Princeton Professor, entered Morehouse College at 15………..i tried taking some notes and this point stood out for me
“A revolution of value upends the belief that white people are more valued than others. And that goes beyond a mere statement of our commitment to racial equality. We have to break the racial habits that give life to the value gap, and that starts with changes in our social and political arrangements. Most habits come to us in the context of us living in social worlds not of our own making.”
The essence of that comment – at least for me – is what’s playing out the Gayle’s saga…….we let others define who we are…..and defer to their values a little too much – maybe a lot too much.
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 4:58:44 AM
In reply to birdseye
So common sense and decency are values that black people should ignore?
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 5:03:37 AM
People who, on a regular basis, go against what the powers that be consider decent...maybe it's those pesky literacy issues and dey not getting the point about that whole social construct thingy.
Decency? Beckles, are you there?
Anyway, ah gone road.
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:04:06 AM
In reply to sudden
Who define what common sense is and which culture defines your acceptable level of decency
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 5:06:00 AM
In reply to birdseye
Oh really ?
So when Gayle was laughing at Jimmy Adams whilst on tour was his stringing a being pulled by a white man ?
When he turned up disrespecting both his teammates and his employers direct to the English press was it the White man compelling him to ?
Who are his primary employers in T20 ?
Gayle represents a metaphor for nowt. Let us remember he chose the capital model that has at its apex the expression of power through the media. He milked it through Twitter and tv as he built his brand.
He hasn't been an advocate for player rights in T20 as it remains the sport with the greatest revenue disparity between ownership and players. T20 remains the most fractured individual horse market in sport.
The truth is he is victim to the same circus that celebrates him. And that circus is owned and operated by the usual suspects.
Maybe that would be an occasion for an enlightenment but methinks that with your kind of support it will only entrench the Don into a state of victimhood.
ponderiver
Jan 12, 2016, 5:06:03 AM
In reply to birdseye
“A revolution of value upends the belief that white people are more valued than others. And that goes beyond a mere statement of our commitment to racial equality. We have to break the racial habits that give life to the value gap, and that starts with changes in our social and political arrangements. Most habits come to us in the context of us living in social worlds not of our own making.”
The learned professor has articulated a point that Marcus Garvey spoke of , in later years Bob Marley put it to song in redemption song
thank you for posting, the sir doctas on the message board will do well to take note
The essence of that comment – at least for me – is what’s playing out the Gayle’s saga…….we let others define who we are…..and defer to their values a little too much – maybe a lot too much
we defer to their values full stop !!
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 5:06:15 AM
In reply to CW
Who define what common sense is and which culture defines your acceptable level of decency
That is where the literacy deficiency comes into play. I would have thought that was hubvious.
Certain people play smart and not being clever.
Ah gone fi true now. BRB.
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 5:07:17 AM
In reply to CW
come on Mate. we all know what is decent, what offends, and what is common sense.
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:08:25 AM
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:09:34 AM
In reply to sudden
Look at all the cultures around the world mate..is it decent to have 7 wives?
Isn't taking offence a personal emotional feeling
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 5:13:08 AM
In reply to CW
you have admitted that what Gayle did was inappropriate, he has been punished and we should move on. am i correct?
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 5:14:40 AM
In reply to ponderiver
The learned professor has articulated a point that Marcus Garvey spoke of , in later years Bob Marley put it to song in redemption song
Interesting you say that – he did mention Marcus Garvey in context with the comment
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:20:50 AM
In reply to sudden
I have admitted that Gayle was inappropriate in referring to a woman as baby and she is not a member of his family...I see nothing wrong in inviting someone for a drink .. If maybe we win...her ass wasn't on any invite list if they lose
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 5:23:03 AM
In reply to CW
cool. so we can agree that baby portion was not decent or at any rate was likely to offend certain sensibilities
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 5:29:04 AM
In reply to Commie
Look – to the white man - a black man with money is just a n-word with money………..a black man with education is just a n-word with education ……….and you have the Clarence Thomas(s) who are just lost souls
But you jump past the point of my notes -----do we get our values from white people and thus live in a social world not of our making………the Guardian article states that there were no sanctions on Gayle until the white uproar……..and trust me - if the Aussies had laughed of the incident ……. So would you and the other outraged……….no true?
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:32:52 AM
In reply to sudden
Yes I find it unacceptable who is to say it isn't decent...and I agree that from experience it is likely to offend certain sensibilities so avoid it if you can
My moral values are my own based on that last statement you made. I have no time to apologise because you are already hurt I can only assure I wouldn't address you like that again...that is how I see life..I do express my opinions and if you find it offensive say so. Any apology from me is not that I am sorry for what I said it's just that I am sorry you are offended...hope you get my drift
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:39:25 AM
In reply to birdseye
rules are made by those in power to protect those in power so that they can make rules
natty_forever
Jan 12, 2016, 5:40:10 AM
In reply to Commie
Maybe that would be an occasion for an enlightenment but methinks that with your kind of support it will only entrench the Don into a state of victimhood.
... and you seem hell bent on doing the converse.
ponderiver
Jan 12, 2016, 5:43:12 AM
In reply to birdseye
Interesting you say that – he did mention Marcus Garvey in context with the comment
nice
next time you are attending talks of this nature, if possible could you post details, just in case some of us are passing through NY
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 5:48:14 AM
In reply to CW
I have admitted that Gayle was inappropriate in referring to a woman as baby and she is not a member of his family..
May be in that setting – but I have said “thanks babe” and “thanks love” to office staff, waitress, and sundry others – I don’t think that’s so inappropriate…..
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 5:55:00 AM
In reply to birdseye
It may seem appropriate in a friendly manner but lately I hear a lot of women say they find it uncomfortable. You hear it over here a lot but you never know who will find it uncomfortable.
So even if you think it's not inappropriate those who "feel it" makes it inappropriate so that's why I said avoid it if you can
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 5:55:04 AM
In reply to sudden
you have admitted that what Gayle did was inappropriate, he has been punished and we should move on. am i correct?
And like I said – if the Aussies hadent taken umbrage - you would be saying --------gwaaan Chris – wid you bad self………
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 5:55:07 AM
In reply to birdseye
But that was my point.
Gayle has been a rogue man child all through his dealings with the WICB and t took THIS for people to stand up and notice that he really does not give a f about f.
It's only when the other point out the obvious that you all notice.
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 6:00:15 AM
In reply to CW
fair point - but i imagine if you were doing what they call "close analysis" of an editorial to the Washington Post ...that would not be flagged as a reason marker or a conclusion marker ....that would probably be flagged a "a nothing" marker
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 6:01:48 AM
In reply to Commie
That's crap...peeps laff and wonder how he gets away with it and all say oh well it's Gayle joking.
So to say it's only when someone point it out "you all" notice that's total crap Mr Morality
You reaching again
Try better to make your point because it's overshadowed by your viewpoint of Gayle 
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 6:01:59 AM
In reply to CW
ok we cool there. good to see that you have returned to some level of sanity now that Capt Jerk Pork and Sgt Jerry Kurle not whispering in yuh ear
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 6:04:06 AM
In reply to Commie
Gayle has been a rogue man child all through his dealings with the WICB and t took THIS for people to stand up and notice that he really does not give a f about f.
In other you have questioned Gayle’s behavior fi a long time and the Aussies give you an opening to vent……
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 6:06:00 AM
In reply to birdseye
If you look at the whole interview you could see that when Gayle realised she was "uncomfortable" he reached out and said sorry...but everyone jumped on it and pulled up their frock.......those with dutty Baggie sure exposed themselves
CW
Jan 12, 2016, 6:10:29 AM
In reply to sudden
Nice try on digression.. I listen to people and see where they are going because I know how to be deliberate with ambiguous comments in order to get clarity from peeps it works.. I never argue with opinions I just challenge them
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 6:54:30 AM
In reply to birdseye
Actually, Gayle has manage to make the tenure of managers, coaches and even fellow players difficult.
All with the support of fans.
There is nothing to vent about. Its all happened already.
What is amazing is that it took this to make people realise there is a problem.
In the end its not those who pointed out the issues previously who have the issue. Its you all who pretended some oppressive regime was cramping your heros style until it emerged he really was just a big kid.
bimbo
Jan 12, 2016, 7:05:13 AM
In reply to Commie
If Gayle got away with alk that you are suggesting then it is another case if poor leadership by those he reported to.
They all failed him and other talented players. These are young men growing up in an increasingly complexed world.
black
Jan 12, 2016, 7:11:24 AM
In reply to Commie
Actually, Gayle has manage to make the tenure of managers, coaches and even fellow players difficult.
All with the support of fans.
There is nothing to vent about. Its all happened already.
What is amazing is that it took this to make people realise there is a problem.
In the end its not those who pointed out the issues previously who have the issue. Its you all who pretended some oppressive regime was cramping your heros style until it emerged he really was just a big kid.
The coaches were not aware of this before taking the job? A good coach should know how to handle difficult players.
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 8:01:25 AM
In reply to black
Are you implying that WI have never had a good coach ?
Given how each of them have done before and after their stint with WI I would suggest that you are talking nonsense.
summergon
Jan 12, 2016, 8:09:19 AM
[b]In reply to Commie[
So when Gayle was laughing at Jimmy Adams whilst on tour
Are you sure that was Gayle who did that? Wasn't Gayle dropped from the next tour which was to Australia for other reason?
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 8:40:25 AM
In reply to Commie
Given how each of them have done before and after their stint with WI I would suggest that you are talking nonsense.
Is there an ex-WI coach who has gone on and do better coaching?
WI coaches may not have done well because they did not have autonomy – and that may have perpetuated the recalcitrance ascribed to Gayle ------
-Gibson’s problems, I believe he was a lackey, hired by Hilaire and co. to carry out an unholy agenda – how else does one explain the senseless player shuffling during his tenure – those were not astute coaching moves…..i think Gibson left to do his own thinking mmay not have been bad coach.
I was totally dumbfounded the day I watched Sammy Sitting beside Gibson and being announced as the WI captain…….that was as illogical as a breadfruit falling UP off a tree….
Gibson was then left in a tough spot and decided he would continue collecting his pay……..as long as they let him
bimbo
Jan 12, 2016, 8:47:29 AM
In reply to Commie
Which tour Jimmy struggled on when Gayle was laughing at him?
Halliwell
Jan 12, 2016, 8:48:34 AM
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 8:55:27 AM
In reply to Halliwell
some funny shit - aint it......
ponderiver
Jan 12, 2016, 8:55:56 AM
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 9:06:53 AM
In reply to birdseye
so WI never had a good coach?
BTW your story wrt Gibson is just that... a story. doesnt come close to describing the events as they took place
Larr Pullo
Jan 12, 2016, 9:09:46 AM
In reply to bimbo
Which tour Jimmy struggled on when Gayle was laughing at him?
Gayle's first tour to England when Jimmy was still captain. i believe it was in 2000. When he said he didn't care whether he got picked or not, as long as he got his check.
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 9:10:19 AM
In reply to birdseye
Your comments on Gibson are unfortunate but predictable.
Its a happy coincidence that WI highest ranking in the last 10 years was under him, their T20 WC win was under him and the resurgence of England coincided with him rejoining them.
Sammy it turns out was a moment of sanity in WI cricket considering the madness that has happened since.
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 9:12:19 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
another distasteful episode. he was dropped soon as he returned to the Caribbean but came back strong in the 1st class competition. his outbursts wrt the WI can be traced back to that series
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 9:19:54 AM
In reply to Halliwell
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:20:52 AM
In reply to Commie
Your comments on Gibson are unfortunate but predictable.
I hope you not thinking that I am saying Gibson didn’t have the capability to be a good coach – I am saying the opposite – that if left to his own thinking he could have been successful – and if you conclude he was a success – then I am saying he could have been more of a success given autonomy
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 9:21:32 AM
In reply to ponderiver
Doan mind he .... he carrying tabanca fuh di crapaud that get away last rainy season big grin
DEADING!!!!
imusic
Jan 12, 2016, 9:24:44 AM
In reply to Commie
Its a happy coincidence that WI highest ranking in the last 10 years was under him
More a coincidence that we also played bangladesh, zimbabwe, and new zealand (in the caribbean) more times in that span than at any time in our history combined?
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:26:31 AM
In reply to sudden
so WI never had a good coach?
We dealing with recent times - There may have – there just was always too much management interference for them to succeed
Of course its just a story – but circumstantial evidence have produced many guilty verdict - maybe too many
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 9:26:46 AM
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:28:15 AM
In reply to imusic
More a coincidence that we also played bangladesh, zimbabwe, and new zealand (in the caribbean) more times in that span than at any time in our history combined?
they were trying to keep that a secret
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 9:31:59 AM
In reply to imusic
That NZ team we beat was the same which drew 1-1 in Aus in the Tasman Cup before they came to the Caribbean.
However again Gibson is a lucky guy. It seems teams get better when he is there and worse when he leaves whether it's England or WI.
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:33:40 AM
I have got to say though – what I like about this running conversations is – no one has resorted to Ad hominem and personal attack of one-another…….i guess may end now that I point it out
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 9:35:43 AM
Someone tell dude how many times we played Bangla. He torking bout NZ one time.
Wasn't it that NZ that got waxed by Bangla?
Can't remember when it was.
Only remember NZ improving only just before the OD WC
Anyway, Zimbabwe must have been the weakest they ever hav e been in their entire history. Even a high school team could beat them.
We really were lucky.
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:39:46 AM
Anyway – I got to fill out my PowerBall ticket – jackpot is 1.4 Billion dollars ----- when I win I will seek advice here as to which private Jet I should buy…….
WestDem
Jan 12, 2016, 9:41:59 AM
In reply to birdseye
when I win I will seek advice here as to which private Jet I should buy……. big grin
Buy Kenny's....
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:42:02 AM
In reply to JahJah
We really were lucky.
So wid all them weak ass teams you still think it was luck?......Damn! so we didn’t worth shit dn
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 9:44:37 AM
In reply to birdseye
We were lucky to catch those weak ass teams. And by lucky, I mean cunning. Cunning scheduling. H&H styleee.
black
Jan 12, 2016, 9:45:09 AM
In reply to birdseye
Anyway – I got to fill out my PowerBall ticket – jackpot is 1.4 Billion dollars ----- when I win I will seek advice here as to which private Jet I should buy……
How about ah hostile takeover of Windies? Dave won't go though.
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:46:52 AM
In reply to WestDem
Buy Kenny's....
who the hell is Kenny - i was thinking pullo might would recommend a Drone from Amazon
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:48:54 AM
In reply to black
How about ah hostile takeover of Windies? Dave won't go though.
pullo will get me a hellfire missile fi his ass
WestDem
Jan 12, 2016, 9:49:19 AM
In reply to birdseye
How come yuh nah know Kenny? He was de investor dat had the initial idea about a private T20 league in de WI...ask KLAS!
birdseye
Jan 12, 2016, 9:55:09 AM
In reply to WestDem
had a blank for a moment
bimbo
Jan 12, 2016, 10:45:07 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Wow...and that was like his second series. What was Jimmy or the management team's response.
I think he was dropped after one test.
Its a miracle he was not shown the door like Gilchrist, Patto, Rose and Garrick!
Cleg
Jan 12, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
In reply to Commie
Its a happy coincidence that WI highest ranking in the last 10 years was under him
Would like to see proof of that.
Btw,India moved from
7th to
2nd with just
3 tests wins.
What was the ranking ....and how many test wins did it take WI to reach that `highest ranking`
...6-in-a-row?
tc1
Jan 12, 2016, 6:08:32 PM
In reply to birdseye
r u saying that Gayle forgot he is a black man since he is making money and enjoying the company of white .
from your description it seems like Gayle is suffering from OJ syndrome.
black
Jan 12, 2016, 6:17:59 PM
In reply to tc1
r u saying that Gayle forgot he is a black man since he is making money and enjoying the company of white .
from your description it seems like Gayle is suffering from OJ syndrome.
Farrakhan, described it as "sleeping with the enemy."
tc1
Jan 12, 2016, 6:50:29 PM
