West Indies won another World Twenty20 title last week, and Marlon Samuels once again played a huge role in the victory. He has had a tough few years, and he let off some steam after securing the trophy. He has had to cope with a lot of flak for that, but it is disappointing to see some of the things that have been said. They are quite unsavoury.

I understand that Geoff Lawson said Marlon was a member of some gangs in Jamaica, that he was involved with “shady people”. It is total rubbish. I don’t understand how somebody who knows absolutely nothing about Marlon can make statements like that. He is trying to influence the world about a young man he knows nothing about.

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In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Good stuff. Should've been put out long before now so that people could understand Marlon.

Marlon explains his position re WIPA

Kudos to Marlon Samuels!

Some men still seem to be guided by principle and are willing to take a position against a body, even if it happens to be headed by a countryman.

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In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Samuels was a ready scapegoat, people were not interested in understanding the man,I have being following Samuels since he was 15, I think he played that year against Bim led by Philo Wallace. The guy went to Oz as a teenager no one was at the airport to get him. He go a lot of bad advice in the corruption trial and was abandoned by Walsh.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Wavell Hinds refused to pick a Test Cricketer in the Yard team despite a request from the West Indies selectors...unbelievable ...

In reply to FanAttick

The more players get to play FC cricket, the more union dues the WIPA collects, and the WIPA membership grows thereby strengthening Hinds' power base.

International players do ALL the heavy lifting and the non international players reap a generous amount of the rewards

A so di ting set. That's how it is in every sport,every business, every country, every family. There are no born International players, they all came out of a system. Change in life is guaranteed, whether you accept it or not. WIPA/WICB have changed and the sooner differences are worked out the better for all.

In reply to jacksprat

A good article by Holding...is it Billy Heaven who's back in charge of Jamaican cricket?

In reply to mikesiva

Yeah, he was re-elected about a week ago at the last JCA elections.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Marlon is no different from most Jamaicans I have associated with. They always feel the world is against them especially when they are faced with adversity.

In reply to camos

This article should have been written a long time ago....you are so write.

Remember all that talk about the bookey, I feel so misinformed.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Great article giving a sort of psychoanalysis of Marlon and his professional journey, who has been wronged by several persons at various levels, despite his enormous talent and abilities, he is one of the most elegant batsmen in the world, when he is in form he bats effortlessly and flawlessly that the boundary seems to move closer to the batsman. That is the reason why I supported him on this board and highlight his performances, for I know he is not the person and image that people are trying to create of him. Big Up Yourself Marlon!

Ummmm Didn't they find some ummmm "hardware" in one of Samuels cricket bags on return from a WI tour?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Not familiar with that story, please educate us!

Nobody in authority - or those close to Samuels - seems to have ever heard of this damn lie before; yet it curious how people in Australia or Germany would have been aware of that.

It even more curious that the Director of Customs - who is in a position to know - has never heard this damn lie before!

I have been assured that if that were true Samuels would have been summarily arrested at the airport, since he would have committed a crime. This is serious business.

I wish Samuels would retain a lawyer to go after these morons besmirching his name. Force them to provide date, time & place or pay big bucks for their wanton character assassination.

So is Samuel's taking legal action against lawson?

Is holding the only former test legend Not into T20?
The only outspoken one?

Was he the only guy on the roads when the final was goin on last week?

In reply to jacksprat

Is there any reason why he is not doing this despite all the advise and urging he is getting from this MB and other well wishers? He is sitting on a gold mine according to these folks.

Go and get it Marlon... wat you waiting fuh???

In reply to Kay

do you know for sure what he is doing?

In reply to Kay
How would I know, did someone tell you that I am either Samuel's agent or advisor?

In reply to Larr Pullo

I remember that story. I am surprise so many people were not aware of it.

I also remember an individual sending a shout out to his peeps in a certain "bad area" and he came under attack.

In reply to summergon

so it made news and no charges?

In reply to camos

Jamaica is a law abiding society where people don't get away with crimes.

In reply to Devin

so they found him with a weapon/ammo reported it to the press and let him go?

In reply to camos

Me ain't know about that story. I would like to know why the fu#k big mouth Holding opened his foopin mouth? Does he even follow Wondies cricket? How many months of the year does he spend in Jamaica? How close is he to Marlon Samuels?

All fackin Holding does is defend everything Jamaican.

Maybe the weapon was seized and he was allowed to go through.

In reply to Devin

Holding knows Samuels since he was a baby, might even be his godfather, they went to the same high school played for the same club.

In reply to summergon

you are sure he had a weapon, so that must be the only explanation?

In reply to camos

Pullo skunt knows it is not true but he just puts it out there knowing some of it will stick

Ever since zimzima gave him his marching horders he has been waging war on all things Jamaican.

It was the Parson who was arrested on gun charges Yes the same holier than thou Andre Fletcher

In reply to camos

They went to high school and played club cricket together?

I could swear there was close to a 30-year difference between them.

There are a lot of people I've known since the day they were born, I don't trust any of them.

In reply to Devin

You can't read or you just hard to comprehend?

No wonder you write the things you do.

In reply to JamMack

I'm going based on the title of this thread and the subsequent comments.

Poor marlon. He's so hinnocent & mishunderstood.

In reply to ponderiver

I know the Fletcher story.

In reply to camos
What are you asking me?

In reply to summergon


if you are sure he had a weapon / illegal gun?

In reply to camos

I wasn't there so I cannot confirm he had a weapon. It was in a newspaper I saw the article.

In reply to summergon

When was this - approx. year, date etc; What newspaper was this? And where did you read this newspaper(hard copy, online)?

The story evidently was not killed, nor swept under the carpet, since 'it was in a newspaper and you saw the article"

Was this a Jamaican newspaper since he was allegedly "returning from a tour" at the time of the alleged incident ?

Was Marlon arrested and, if he was not, did the story say why he was not arrested for committing this serious offence?



Why would they just seize an illegal & dangerous weapon and just allow him through without even a slap on the wrist?

Did the newspaper story say ?

I would be curious to read this purported story!!!

In reply to jacksprat

Spratty, Let me make it clear I am not doing this to incriminate Marlon. I am saying that there was a newspaper story about him allegedly bringing in an illegal gun to Jamaica. This was discovered at customs.

This individual was returning from a tour of Australia. May have been his first tour.

So maybe early 2000's and the newspaper article was online. Can't remember the newspaper now. Try searching The Observer, Gleaner, Star or the Herald.
You are asking me to remember something from 15 years ago.

I wish not to further comment on this article because I am seen as the one doing something wrong and all I am doing is reminding people about this story that was published in a paper about 15Yrs ago.

It was discuss either on CANA or on CC. Some veterans might remember. Maybe Larr can provide more details.

In reply to Devin

Much like India.

In reply to imusic

on cue. Hurt much? There are more in the sea, bro.

In reply to summergon

A link to the newspaper story would suffice.

In reply to summergon

I have been assured that this alleged story is a blatant lie and never appeared anywhere in the Jamaican media, as you claim, so it would therefore have been impossible for you to have read it online from any Jamaican medium !

Neither Google nor Bing -the most popular search engines - has any record of this sensational story. The Gleaner archive goes back to the 19th century!!!!!!!!!!!!

More telling, neither the Director of Custom & the Deputy Director of Customs at the time - who were both schoolmates of mine, by the way - was familiar with any such story, and dismissed it as pure fabrication!!!

Samuels would have been arrested on the spot, I was assured, since this would have been a very serious criminal matter.

Moreover, If this had occurred he would at least have been suspended by the JCA and / or the WICB and more people than just you and Larr would have heard about it.

In reply to jacksprat

Dude, we are all stupid and believe silly trash as gospel. You didn't get the memo?

How on earth would this story be small news in any newspaper, and I don't mean just Jamaican ones.

In reply to JahJah

Yuh seet?

Then to further bolster the fabrication, we are supposed to believe that Samuels is guilty because he sent 'shout outs' to people from 'bad areas'.

This is to assume that everyone who has the misfortune of being from these 'bad areas" is a bad person or a criminal.

Talk about stereotyping and profiling!!

I have friends who grew up in these same areas and none of them is a criminal.

In reply to JahJah

There was actually such a 'story' discussed here. Can't recall whether it was imusic or Pollo who led the discussion.

Fortunately that story never appeared anywhere else.

In reply to Drapsey

But Summergon went further and claimed to have seen & read the 'story ' himself online from a Jamaican media house.

I imagine this is evidence of the veracity of the 'story".

In much the same way that a 'story' was "discussed here" that a certain poster tried to rape a Jamaican beauty and was summarily rejected, hence his enduring animus toward all things Jamaican?

I guess that "story" must also be true since it was discussed on CC !!!

In reply to Drapsey

The story was discussed here, but not started by me.

Those were Samuels' pre ban days when you used to hear all sorts of stories about him.

Glad that Pope Francis made him a living Saint now....

In reply to jacksprat

I'm never surprised about anything anti-Jamaican posted by Pollo after that incident, but imusic continues to disappoint me.

Here I was waiting on imusic to extend some form of congratulations to Marlon so as to legitimize his latest 'accomplishments', and that's the best the music-man can do. Disappointing.

In reply to Drapsey

Look, let's not pretend that Samuels is as pure as the driven snow, and for the most part almost every Yardie cricketer in modern times, except Courtney Walsh, had more than a whiff of controversy swirling around them.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Good Morning, Pollo.

In reply to Drapsey

Guten Morgen, Dropsey.

Fuh all the talk, Gloss Lips is a skunt, full stop. Yes there was a story here about him trying to bring a rifle out of Oz. in fact there are a lot of stories about him. Half of them untrue

In reply to Larr Pullo

Name any Experienced WI cricketer who has been above some type of real or imaginary controversy!

In reply to sudden

There was a story here about an obnoxious, anti-Jamaican poster trying to rape a Jamaican nurse.

Which half of it do you reckon was untrue?

See how easy and reckless it is to try to engage in online character assassination?

In reply to jacksprat

Are you asking a question or making a statement?

In reply to sudden

You called Samuels "a skunt" & said half and said there are many stories stories about him of which half is untrue therefore, it stands to reason that the other half must be true.

I am asking you which half of those stories about Samuels is true?

I am sure you know that there is big leap from being "a skunt", as you called him, and being a criminal, as some here are accusing him of being in their slanderous assertion.

What are the chances that someone,anyone, here will soon manufacture something from their 'archive' to 'prove' this story true then other will pile on to echo the lie!

In reply to sudden

it so easy isn't it ...... for the record there is a story doing the rounds regarding Sobers, who was driving, on the night collie smith was killed.

yes Sudden that's exactly how it starts

In reply to jacksprat

Every body and their dogs know that lip gloss man is a hard fella to get along with. In every team that he plays in he has had issues- even the Ja team.

The story about turning up at a Ja team practice with a poodle he called Nikita is a beautiful story. I like that one. A great practical joke. But I hope it is one that isn't true.

In reply to ponderiver

That is an old story. But that is typical of old fogies like you to rehash ancient tales even if they have some merit

In reply to sudden

Killa.

A poodle?

I see you're trying your hardest to prove jacksprat right.

In reply to sudden

That is your best evidence of Samuels' alleged "criminal conduct"?

So I guess one is to conclude that because he behaved in a childish way in your cited instance, one is to take that as evidence of "him trying to bring a rifle out of Oz".

There is no evidence in Jamaica that anything of the sort ever happened -and I have spoken with people who would be in a position to know- but we are suppose to take the word of people - with their well ventilated agendas- living in Germany, Australia & Barbados as proof?

By the way, as an expert on Jamaica cricket, I am sure you would know that Nikita Miller & Marlon Samuels are club mates at Melbourne Cricket Club and their issues stem from their disagreements at club level.

In reply to jacksprat

I still like how Marlon's pit bull named Killa morphed into a poodle named Nikita.

That sudden has great imagination. Read it somewhere that he's a lawyer.

In reply to Drapsey

See what I mean Dropsey...half of the stories are true. I rest my case

In reply to jacksprat

I didn't know this was about lip gloss man's criminal conduct? Really. Thought it was about stories surrounding him?

In reply to jacksprat

Keep bussing dem up Spratty ... like you, I've been on here since time start tek, and mi nevah see nuh story bout Marlon and guns at all in no newspaper or official documents ...
If discussion about such went on in a CC forum -- I MISSED that shit ... and gladly.

Marlon have issues no doubt, but I've not known of any related to no damn gun business. The rumor mill is rife these days with Ant-Marlon comments though ... hopefully he gets many more chances to batter the critics with more runs, wickets in any form of the game local, regional, international.

In reply to Drapsey

There was actually such a 'story' discussed here. Can't recall whether it was imusic or Pollo who led the discussion.

Fortunately that story never appeared anywhere else.

From a inewssick?

And Larrfulloshit?

In reply to jacksprat
Spratty,

Like I said I will not comment any further on this matter. You not knowing about this story doesn't mean this story never existed. As you can see there are other people who heard about this story.

In reply to summergon

Yuh nuh see de man post above? Spratty's sources are impeccable and unimpeachable!

In reply to summergon

That is not the issue. Anyone can start an internet rumour - I have seen enough of them myself - based on nothing but innuendo and fabrication.

The fact that a lie appears on the internet - and that others have heard the same lie- makes it no more truthful than if it were uttered verbally, and in person.

My contention is that if this was in fact a true story there would have been widespread reporting on it-not just in the Caribbean but worldwide; even in the places where cricket is not played.

NO SUCH STORY APPEARED IN ANY NEWSPAPER IN JAMAICA (AND THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BIG NEWS) OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD; OR ELSE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME EVIDENCE OF IT.

So much for your claim that you saw a:

Neither the then Director of Customs nor the Deputy Director of Customs both of whom are personally known to me - both of them schoolmates of mine; one actually my classmate of 5 years-had ever heard any such story

That is enough evidence to me that no such thing happened; and I say you are mistaken if you say you saw any such story of the sort in a newspaper.

In reply to imusic

Provide your sources that can confirm that the alleged crime actually did occur. That would be a matter of public record.

It not for me to prove that it never happen, it is for those claiming otherwise to provide waterproof evidence - a flippant post on CC does not count as such.

In reply to jacksprat

You see me claim anywhere that said "crime" occurred anywhere?

People freely callin out my msb handle to say I posted that. I don't bother responding because it's a msb and what's the point? People will believe what they want to believe.

So go on hard with yuh indignation bruh