West Indies cricket, already fraught with controversy involving some of its male internationals, appears in danger of losing one of its major female stars.

Barbadian all-rounder Deandra Dottin has threatened to walk away from full-time involvement in the game if something is not done by the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) about the significant disparity in moneys paid to male and female cricketers.

In an interview with Barbados TODAY, Deandra Dottin stressed that the time had come for women in cricket to be treated equally to their male counterparts. She lamented the steep difference in the prize money that both West Indies senior sides received after winning their respective World Cup Finals in India.

Highlighting the gulf between the BDS$3 million shared by the men and the BDS$200 000 divided among the women, Dottin described it as “ridiculous”.

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In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Woman dem ah bawl now...

Here we go again......being held to ransom.....I understand though...... everybody wants to make money, but where does this money come from????, how is it generated???

How much money have the women generated for the WICB for them to be making demands! They should be happy with globetrotting at the WICB expense! Talk about being ungrateful! SMMFH!

Dottin like everyone else has to weigh all the factors and then make the decision she thinks is best for her and family. If that means giving up cricket so be it.

But I think she shouldn't be hasty as good thinks might be around the corner for womens cricket.

In reply to hawk

daz the point..the brand and company behind WICB is Digicel are they wordwide known and respected with nuff money behind them?

Of course there should be parity
Let them go and play in a men's league

In fact let's scrap the gender based separation


Dottin can bat better than some of the men so too can Matthew

Truth be told I would rather each those two than watch paint

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I think she should get the support of the men to get wage parity.

DD....why you ent leh you captain make that statement.....it would have been received with applause and a call for the women to be properly compensated, not you, wunna ungrateful Bajans ent learn yet to keep wumma mouts shut............

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

That is a Huge gap but Dottin must realise that in entertainment pay is based on the money generated at the events. The men generate more at the gates while unfortunately the females do not generate as much.Should the WICB rob Peter to pay Sandra!!!

In reply to Commie

What is parity in spectator sports..Its noble but, unrealistic..

In reply to Commie

the seniors done share out wid evibady

The Barriteau report has weighed all the factors.

Dottin is not alone.

In reply to buds

the finals had how many peeps watching it? Dottin sounds a bit...dotty
Just the other day they recieved a full time professional contract now less than a year demand big time money on a par with the guys...It can't work so, tek time

Simple, if the women generate as much money as the men, they should be paid accordingly, if not, they should be paid according to, how much money they generated.

In reply to Courtesy

to be fair, the wicb has put a lot of resources (maybe a lot more than some years previously) into developing women's cricket

where do you draw the line between what local clubs/boards/govts should be doing and wicb?

In reply to buds

All games should be mixed end of problem.

is it an unfair ask?

are they compensated equitably/adequately? [relative to their[wicb earnings from women's cricket] income stream?]

In reply to doosra

The report noted this but there is still a huge disparity in:

In reply to Courtesy

they could definitely increase those allowances ... i guess DD is making a point

are they represented by WIPA?

In reply to doosra

I can suggest a methodology:

All first class regional men players should give up 15% (it's not as big as the huge amount raided from the international players) of their earnings to pay the regional ladies.

In reply to Courtesy

Well no one is giving up anything ... so you mean WIPA takes 15% and share it out with the ladies?

In reply to doosra

No. I suggest that WIPA negotiates with the WICB on behalf of the ladies and sign an MOU which mandates the WICB to deduct 15% of the earnings of the regional men players to pay the regional ladies.

In reply to Courtesy

tell me what you think about that move

lol

In reply to doosra

The precedence has been set so I anticipate an ease of implementation...smooth sailing.

In reply to Courtesy

WIPA will not risk ruffling the fc players tho
fc is wavell's bedrock

In reply to doosra

Why shouldn't they?...it's to benefit the ladies who are in the same position as the regional cricketers two years ago.

In reply to Courtesy

the fc players will make noise and that will loosen whatever hold wavell got on them

In reply to Courtesy

Maybe the seniors can afford a lil mo'???????????????????

In reply to doosra

OHHO!! Well, I suggest that the ladies file a class action law suit against WIPA and the WICB for discrimination.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

yall want juice outa stone now/?

In reply to Courtesy

fannatik might be up for that pro bono

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

The international players actually indicated that much (an agreed amount can be deducted to compensate regional players)...but by jove, to raid a large chunk of their earnings...

In reply to StumpCam

women's cricket is just an afterthought to the men's game. It's treated with the same contempt as women's football. Thankfully the situation is different in track and field athletics.

In reply to Courtesy

Dude, this is not Russia, you just simply cannot do that.

Women have to be paid proportionlly to what they generated, if they cannot generate enough to sustain, they go out of business.

In reply to black

You lack vision. Dais all...and the subtle message escapes you.

It's a good thing Dr. Barriteau et al did not interview the likes of you.

In reply to Courtesy

Ok, you try taking 15% from an already dissatisfied male team.

In reply to black

Brother, stay in back room. This is way above your head.

In reply to Courtesy

Always your argument, when you don't have substance.

Tek it easy DD,you all at present are the pioneers and things will improve later on.As most people know, you all are not yet generating nuff money,wait lil bit,you and the girls could be queens of the game fuh years to come.

In reply to black

Again...way above your head. Don't bother figuring it out. You do not have that ability.

Stick with your monotonous "donkey" posts and occasional comic relief here.

In reply to mikesiva
A team of West Indian Under 15 boys will most likely beat our WestIndian womens team.

In reply to black


dont be put off by Courtesy .... he is operating on a lower level of understanding


Always remember the enemy would not be attacking you if something very valuable wasn't inside of you

remember too that thieves don't break into empty houses

continue on your purpose my youth

In reply to Commie

What!!!

In reply to Commie

Dottin a Champion. She has my unconditional support...Time for 100 percent parity.

In reply to ponderiver

Right on the money.

In reply to hawk

If the WICB were not an incompetent lot, their main focus right now should be putting together a marketing team to bring sponsors on board to take advantage of the 3 world cup wins.

I am not privy to the sponsorship agreement they have with DIGICEL but it seems as if their hands are tied. I find it hard to believe that localized sponsorship cannot be garnered.

Most of you on here are criticizing DD for bringing the women's financial woes to the limelight but you are all hypocrites.

Most of you live in the UK, the USA and Canada surviving in the social network of those countries.

I will hazard a bet that none of you will be able to survive on BDS $3000 a month. That is £1043, Canadian $1901, USD $1499.

The article is also misleading because it states the women are getting BDS $3000 - $6000 monthly. Not one of those women cricketers are being paid $6000 Barbados dollars monthly, not one.

They deserve better.

In reply to black

Is there a difference between a West Indies regional cricketer and an international cricketer?

Let me expose your rass. You asked for it.

There are at least 5 subtle points being made here.

Same issue with USA women soccer.

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I have seen the Barbadian women parading all over in Digicel West Indies kit and I am asking if they are being compensated for wearing the gear.
The one member from the men's team was not wearing "Digicel", he understood, WIPA had taken away the money they used to get from this sort of activity. The women will start to ask questions in future as the become more aware of commercial rights and branding.

Black, you jackass or is it donkey...you gone into hiding?

In reply to rubberd

It's the same issue only in the case of wanting more $$

The US women's national soccer team has a much more legitimate case based on 1 primary issue:

Who does the public AND TV....pay to see?

Viewership for the women's national team is significant in the USA. In some cases, they even surpass viewership for the men. That means TV rights paid by networks are also significant.

Similarly, huge crowds turn out to see the US women's national team in action.

So from an "eyeball" and sponsorship standpoint, the US Women's National team has a very legitimate case for parity in wages.

It's the same case that was used by tennis to arrive at a point where prize $ in major tournaments is the same for men and women.

The fact the number 1 ranked woman cannot beat the number 100 ranked male is immaterial.

A who dem come fi see is what matters.

The West Indies women's cricket team is not remotely in a similar position.

Viewership for women's cricket is insignificant. Spectators at matches even less so.

In time that will change. But now is not that time.

Should the women get more $$? Sure.

But who is going to pay for it? How much revenue do they generate?

In reply to imusic

Interesting!

In reply to buds

That's what the WICB and di WIPA lackeys just did to the international players - tief their money to give the regional FC players.

Go girls! Allyuh understand better than peeps posting here.

On the basis of revenue earning capacity, an argument can be made that the regional men players should receive the same quantum of pay as the paltry sum paid to the women.

What revenue do the regional men players bring in?

Allyuh must broaden the depth of thinking here.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

It is. Because at the end of the day, the WICB is in charge of managing West Indies cricket.

That includes the women's teams

So whatever funds are generated for West Indies cricket has to be shared among ALL aspects of West Imdies cricket

Teams
Infrastructure
Admin
Etc etc

It will be Interesting how they go about achieving that

In reply to black
Black, you donkey, one of the subtle points that you failed to see. Just one of them.

See if you can figure out at least the four others.

In reply to Star

i tend to take your post on this as well measured and closest to how I feel about it.

They do deserve better and now is the time to seek to maximize on the celebrity of their status while the iron is hot.

does that mean individual managers or WICB marketing arm being proactive?

What is the pay like for other womens teams around the world?

the gap is huge and the best way to close it is via marketing and winning so that they capture more of the tv and actual butts in seats at events.

They are not there yet...but I am hopeful that they will get there...the goal being better pay...not sure about the parity or equality...the audience is simply way too wide to be calling for that.

In reply to Courtesy

So Jason Holder team that went to ODI world cup and toured Australia brought in less revenue than if Bravo and Pollard, etc had been there?

In reply to imusic

even more interesting

In reply to Chrissy

so whose they should teef now for the girls?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

You have really lost it of late...see if you can follow the argument. Start at the beginning of the thread, take it nice and slow and pay particular attention to my posts.

And please return to ask an appropriate question.

In reply to Courtesy

Is that your final answer?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I made a case for the lack of revenue generation of the Regional FC players yet 90 men players are paid a living salary. Surely, they are paid not on the basis of revenue generation because they bring in zilch...now where does your nonsensical question come in?

In reply to powen001

Same here, but that is a tricky subject should they go down that road.

Suppose they hire Sudden and challenge the WICB with the equal pay argument.

That could be a winning strategy and at the same time lead to the end of WI women's cricket.

In reply to Courtesy

I am not against paying the women more, if the money is there, by all means do it.

If the money is not there, you cannot rob someone else to pay for it.

In reply to black

Exactly.

I see you come back meek and mild...that's what happens to asses when they tie themselves in a knot.

Now guhlong you jackass and take the other jackass Pondie with you.

I also think schoolboy cricket should be paid as much as the women and seniors too and they should be paid the same as football.

But I am nuts .

Workers should be paid the same as owners.

In reply to Courtesy

west indies cricket as a brand was built on the back of the men's game

The development of the women's game is just unfolding

in time as they evolve they will get parity,who is to say they won't outstrip the men in spectator appeal

all things are negotiable therefore for now their pay ought to be based on longevity and the value they bring to the brand.....

we made a mistake by allowing you lot unfettered access to the trough , now look where that has got us ?? clapping and talking shoite has become the standard !!!!!

keep clapping and talking shoite bwaaaaaaaah

In reply to ponderiver

You still don't get it do you?

Now guhlong and take black with you...you jackass.

In reply to Courtesy


oh dear still clapping and talking shoite ???

In reply to ponderiver



I understand how you feel tagging with black and ending up like two jackasses.

Well , when Our U-19 Players ; Our
Women's Team & Our Men's Team are the
World Champions in the shortest format of the game .

I expect that the WICBC would have had
many Financial Sponsors wanting to get
on Board with the WICBC . Now if that aint the case , then I will conclude
that something is seriously amiss ;
regarding the inability of the WICBC
to attract Financial Sponsors .

I am awaiting responses from all regarding this matter , because it
aint everyday that a Country in
International Cricket , has won the
U-19 ; Women's Team & Our Men's Team
has won the ICC Championships in the shortest version of the game in the same year .

Obviously this feat should have Financial Sponsors flocking to the WICBC ; However , WE have heard nothing regarding this from the WICBC ; because it is currently fighting to
keep its 89 years old Structure ,
intact especially since it is currently beleaguered by the Regional Governments stating that it must be dissolved .

In reply to Courtesy




it could be worse , imagine tagging with Courtesy ? every time I read your posts I am reminded of the story of the emperor's new suit.

In reply to Courtesy

The regional FC pool is the feeding stock for the men's team, that has a multimillion annual TV contract.

the Bajan women will soon start playing for England!

In reply to Courtesy

How do you interpret this as a change in position?

In reply to black

Man read and understand de facting thread.

Up to now you don't get that I was talking tongue in cheek about the 15% cut from the regional players salary only to make a point about the dangers of deducting from peoples' salaries especially when they do not consent and with the machinations employed by WICB/WIPA.

Man get de fact outta here which your disingenuous shoite.

You have not a clue.

That's why I exhorted to leave this alone and then you came with all your bravado aided and abetted by Pondie. You did not understand jackshit where I was going with this.

De tred is there for everyone to follow.

Everyone understood with the exception of yourself and Pondie.

And now you are persisting with this fackery.

Cho man!!

In reply to Courtesy

Look dude, this was your original statement.



This is what it was changed to. How in hell could I have detected any sarcasm from the first?

This is not the first time that you edited you post in the middle of a discussion. To me, it is just dishonest.

In reply to camos

The women are being invited to play in leagues in England and Australia, good contracts, when clashes occur with WI international schedule, what happens.

Same issue as with the men, they opt to pursue the greater payday, conflict that could have been avoided.

In reply to black

Brother, you still fail to see the tongue in cheek statements.

"...first class regional men players..." Yes, that's right.

You must be a facting dunce to think otherwise.

Brother, this is my first statement on the matter:

This is your first statement immediately quoted below which is emphatically suggesting that I was referring to the international players who should give up the 15%:


What constitutes the "already dissatisfied male team" in your post above? Are they the international players which you have wrongly misinterpreted? I dare you tell me.

You obviously started with a wrong assumption and tied yourself into a knot...that knot is tightly wound around your neck...and I am tightening it.

And finally, this is FuzzyWuzzy before black posted. Obviously, Fuzzy understood quite clearly at that point where I was heading with this:


Continue trying to save that neck...I have a firm grip on the rope.

Sunday morning comic relief.

Keep on posting on this matter to further expose your arse.

In reply to Courtesy

DUDE, YOU ARE A LIAR, DOOSRA COPIED THE ORIGINAL QUOTE, WHICH YOU CANNOT EDIT.

YOU DID THIS TO ME BEFORE, WHEN WE ARGUED OVER THE DEFINITION OF A WORD.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Fuzzy, please let me in on the secret. What does Barbados have for good female athletes to do that will allow Ms. Dottin to make more than she does playing cricket? Is it just speculative? Is it outside Barbados? Pray tell us.

In reply to black

The bracketed part was added immediately after for further clarity before you posted.... But does that change the price of coffee? And more importantly Fuzzy posted before you posted.

Discard the bracketed part if you care to.

I repeat: "...first class regional men players"..." Yes, that's right.

What then explains this first post from you?





Courtesy in response to Fuzzy:


A clear distinction between regional players and international players was established before you joined the conversation.

And my post above also conveyed quite clearly and very early in the game, that de Courtesy was against raiding peoples' salaries.

Again, all this, before the poster black uttered a word.

Keep it coming.

I do not know enough about the details, but one will have to agree that this is a huge disparity between $3 million dollars and $200K. I do not care in what currency.

This behavior is not however intrinsic to the Caribbean and women's cricket. This is systemic in a world where women are viewed as not having the earning power of men, even if they provide the same service.

The WICB should probably review their pay structure for the Women team and find a way to resolve this quickly.

One of the problems with the WICB executives is the inability to resolve problems quickly. There is always a level of vindictiveness attached to any decision that they make and that almost always results in a negative outcome. That is why our cricket is not moving along in the direction that it is supposed to.

In reply to embsallie

is this a WICB creation,or this is what the ICC offers to the respective groups?

In reply to embsallie

I agree generally...but there is still the unresolved issue of a group of men in the various organisations who are solely responsible for setting policy on womens' affairs as these policies generally disadvantage women.

This is not specific to our region...it is a general statement.

This issue was partly addressed in the Barriteau et al report.

In reply to embsallie

In most cases (sports) they don't, tennis is the exception. I would like to see more parity but the only way to do that is with attendance, sponsorship and TV revenues. If you cannot achieve the above, pay will not be equal.

In reply to black

The problem is when grown ass men start using revenue generating ability as an excuse for not paying the women cricketers a decent salary in a scenario of surplus revenue.

It is shortsighted at best. How else can you insure continued interest and participation at the local level?

Giving the ladies adequate compensation must be viewed as an investment with the medium term objective of creating a reservoir for the Women's international cricket and fulfilling the dream of greater revenues from that new revenue stream.

You cannot boast of 3 million USD in surplus revenue and create a disincentive for women's cricket.

In reply to camos

Like I said I do not know too much about the details of the payment that the WICB received.

I do not think that the Women are expecting a payday like the men considering this is their first major win, but one would agree that a $1 million dollars would sure as hell be a better deal than $200K.
Give the women an incentive to stay and play cricket otherwise be prepared to go through the same crap that the men's team has gone through with Gayle, Bravo, Pollard, Russel et al.

In reply to embsallie

no one is arguing against that, but is a million available?

De Courtesy says:

In reply to camos

Conversely, how do you know that it isn't?
Taking the word of that corrupt organization at face value?