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Why is our FC not like the 70, 80s and 90s ?

 
Spoilt101 2019-03-14 15:33:09 

Is it because of the players ability or management.

 
InHindsight 2019-03-14 17:00:09 

In reply to Spoilt101

Good question.



Because we've become obsolete while the world has moved on. Both on and off the field we are playing catchup.

Sadly some are power hungry, some suffer from complexes, others don't see and still others are just plain nepotistic.

 
Spoilt101 2019-03-14 17:56:50 

In reply to InHindsight

I remember when first class cricket was just as good and exited as test matches in the Caribbean.

 
POINT 2019-03-14 18:48:42 

In reply to Spoilt101

As I have stated in this Forum frequently , the Greatness of Our
Players had very little to do with
the Worst International Cricket Board
in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC .

Let me remind all & Sundry , those
victories were achieved without having in the Region a Pro or Semi Pro
League .

As I have stated in this Forum many
times , the reasons for our Players
dominance in International Cricket
were tremendously helped by 2 very
important factors .

The first is the fact that the Tour Schedule of visiting Teams in those
Eras provided for many matches between the Test Matches .

These Matches , assisted visiting
Teams to bet acclimatized to both the Weather and the Pitches .

It is also very important to note
this very important factor :

IN THE REGION AT THAT TIME WE DID

NOT HAVE A REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE .

It was those matches between the Test Matches that facilitated Our
Players skills being Harnessed & Honed .

But as usual the International Cricket Conspirators decided to take
2 very important steps to dilute the
Prowess of Our Players .

The ICC decided to change its Tour
Schedule , No longer would there be
a lot of matches between the Test Matches .

Then England decided to limit the
number of Players playing Cricket in
England . My perspective is that these 2 important factors impacted
Our Players & their Competitiveness
in the International Cricket Arena .

Interestingly the WICBC were to dumb
to understand that these 2 important
factors that I have cited , unless
seriously addressed would dilute the
Competitiveness of Our Players over
Time .

THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC COULD HAVE

FORMED A REGIONAL LEAGUE TO KEEP OUR

PLAYERS CONTINUOUSLY ACTIVE .

They would have had a lot of Sponsors due to the prowess of Our
Team & Players .

HOWEVER THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC SAT

ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL & COLLECTIVE

ASSES , AND DID NOTHING UNTIL ABOUT

6 OR 7 YEARS AGO .

This at a time when the prowess of
Our Players were severely diminished
in the International Cricket Arena ; and Our Team & Players were not attractive to Potential Sponsors .

 
dayne 2019-03-14 19:56:03 

WI regional cricket has been bad for a long time, even in the 90's standards were not that good, most of the great WI teams were made up of players that had overseas contracts

 
tc1 2019-03-14 20:32:20 

In reply to POINT


Let me address 2 point your made, all teams were impacted by the same situation, all touring teams schedules were compressed and all teams are impacted by reduced fc matches while touring.

England banned was not only to the WI , It targeted all cricketing nations, the standard of english cricket in the late 60 , 70 had become weak.

your 2 points of argument were common to all teams.

 
POINT 2019-03-14 22:03:04 

In reply to tc1

You have missed the Freaking Point I made solet me again spell it out for
Your Benefit :

WHILE IT IS TRUE THAT ALL

INTERNATIONAL TEAMS SUFFERED THE

SAME IMPACT ; WE SUFFERED MORE

SEVERELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IN

THIS REGION FOR MANY YEARS WE HAD NO

REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE .

Other International Cricket Teams
had the benefit of having Cricket Leagues . Those Cricket Leagues obviously kept their Players skills
sharply honed .

The Big Idiots in the WICBC sat on
their Asses , and did nothing until
about 6 or 7 years ago . Obviously
before this was done the Skills &
Competitiveness of Our Players were
eroding slowly but surely .

In the Glory Days of West Indies Cricket if there were competent people in the WICBC , they would have formed a Regional League with
the Support of Financial Sponsors .

FINANCIAL SPONSORS LOVE WINNERS ,

AND OUR TEAMS & PLAYERS WERE THE

BEST IN THE WORLD ; SO GETTING

SPONSORS WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY.

Unfortunately the People in the WICBC sat on their Asses and did nothing until some years ago it dawned on them to have a Regional
Cricket League .

That in my opinion was to late , because Our Players & Team were sliding down towards the Bottom of
International Cricket .

ONCE AGAIN LET ME INTERJECT THE FACT

THAT FINANCIAL SPONSORS ARE ONLY

ATTRACTED TO WINNERS , NOT LOSERS .

Winners attract Financial Sponsors ,
Losers have to abide with the dictates of whoever decides to be a
Sponsor .

 
POINT 2019-03-14 22:09:13 

We cannot put the Cart before the Horse and expect everything will work out o.k I cite this to illustrate the fact that the First Order of business
MUST be the removal of ALL current
Members of the WICBC .

When that is correctly done then and
only then must WE turn our Attention
to Our Players . In essence Focusing
on the Players first is utter Stupidity . I believe that most Sane
Persons in this Forum would agree with
what I have stated here .

 
openning 2019-03-14 23:01:32 

In reply to dayne

WI regional cricket has been bad for a long time, even in the 90's standards were not that good, most of the great WI teams were made up of players that had overseas contracts

I grew up in Barbados and cricket was played by the majority of youngsters, of all colour.
We played in the road, Gully, Beach, Cartroad, where ever there was a spot, we played it.
Cricket has been competing with a number of other activities, which means the pool that was for cricket, has decrease in the last 2-3 decades.A number of six footers, who should be fast bowlers, are on the basketball court.

 
POINT 2019-03-15 00:04:44 

The third Rail in West Indies Cricket
is the freaking Fact that apart from
what I have stated above is the perpetual animosity & contempt those in the WICBC have for Our Players .

This contempt is stoked by various Faux Sports Journalists in the Region
who are akin to being the WICBC Lapdogs ; Happy to do the bidding of their Masters in the WICBC .

My take is that this has established
an unhealthy Gulf between those in the governance of Cricket & Our Players .

I firmly believe that unless there is harmonious Relations
between the WICBC & Our Players this
is akin to spinning a Top in Mud .

As a result in the International Cricket WE will perpetually floundering at or near the Bottom in
International Cricket .

The very fact that those in the WICBC have bluntly refused to remedy this Freaking Fact informs me
that those in the WICBC are totally
unfit to be the Stewards of West Indies Cricket .

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 08:50:19 

In reply to Spoilt101 Both.

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 08:54:02 

In reply to openning

I grew up in Barbados and cricket was played by the majority of youngsters, of all colour.
We played in the road, Gully, Beach, Cart road, where ever there was a spot, we played it.
… which no longer takes place, hence an additional spoke for the decline. Could this be attributed to matches being broadcast on the radio or televised as was when we were growing up, why we youngsters were enthused?

 
openning 2019-03-15 10:14:02 

In reply to natty_forever
Youngsters have more choices, plain and simple.
A number of years ago, I was excited to join a group of youngsters, playing cricket in my village.
Most of them were Guyanese, which surprised me, because, only a few Vincies started living in my area in the late, sixties.
During the game, I notice very few of the Bajans youngsters actually bowl, they all were pelting.
All of them were in Highschool, on swimming team, none of them played cricket at school.
So different to my days, growing up
I usually watch cricket when I am home, only a few oldsters or club members watched local cricket.
So it is more than playing cricket in England, or CWI/WICB authoritarian style, that is hindering the cricket, we have a smaller pool to choose from.
Money in T20 cricket, may be the format to get youngsters choosing cricket over video games and other sports.

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 10:25:15 

In reply to openning … well in Jamaica we still have inter-school cricket, which involves more schools than back in the days, so I would say more kids are playing cricket in JA. And to add there are now Prep and Primary school competitions which never happened in my day. I would say we need to review the standard of coaching at this level in order to prepare better cricketers.

 
bobby 2019-03-15 10:33:42 

In my day sport was compulsory. We played cricket in the first term, football second term (rainy season) and track and field during the third term. Everyone had to participate unless they had a medical problem.
This is no longer the norm in most schools in the Caribbean.
My grandson is 8 years old and he has never played cricket at school. Only football and track are offered and only to those who want to participate.
That aside, our young people want to emulate their heroes. Thus Ronaldo, Messi, Lebron, Bolt etc.
There are NO Windies cricket stars. In the old days we wanted to bat like Sobers, Khanai, Viv etc or bowl like Hall, Griffith, Holding, Roberts etc.
Where and who are our stars today?

 
openning 2019-03-15 10:42:43 

In reply to natty_forever
More organized cricket is being played, at the youth in Barbados also.
The question, is more youngsters competing today, as previously did?

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 11:13:24 

In reply to bobby … according to Emir, Bravo, Pollard, Simmons and Narine.

big grin

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 11:14:17 

In reply to openning … I think yes in Jamaica, the problem I think we have is, how good are the coaches.

 
openning 2019-03-15 11:25:03 

In reply to natty_forever
Are you basting your discussion on organized cricket, or the percentage of children playing cricket today, than in the glory days of West Indies cricket?

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 11:26:09 

In reply to openning … well in Jamaica, organized cricket. I feel we have more playing organized cricket than days gone by. Definitely not seeing kids paying in the streets or wherever as we did back in our days.

 
openning 2019-03-15 11:34:26 

In reply to natty_forever
In Barbados competitive cricket is played from the U13 thru U19 levels, more so than before.
That does not mean more youth is playing cricket today.

My belief is less youths look at cricket, as we did growing up, so because there is more organized cricket, does not mean the same percentage of the youths is playing.

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 11:44:57 

In reply to openning

That does not mean more youth is playing cricket today.
agree. But more are playing organized cricket. Hence why I feel we need to look at coaching. Why so many are coming thru "with flaws".

 
openning 2019-03-15 12:02:15 

In reply to natty_forever
Bro, if you compare the height of our fast bowlers to the glory days, you will notice they are such shorter.
A number of the present six footers, are coming to cricket older than guys like Holding, Croft, Walsh and others.
Basketball is the sport of the day, for these guys.
BTW, I moved away from Bim, quite a few decades, but I try to follow cricket in the region, on a daily basis.

But more are playing organized cricket. Hence why I feel we need to look at coaching. Why so many are coming thru "with flaws".

A bad coach is worse than not having a coach, so becarefull what you ask for. lol lol

 
openning 2019-03-15 12:08:43 

In reply to bobby

My grandson is 8 years old and he has never played cricket at school. Only football and track are offered and only to those who want to participate.

What is your take on getting youth into cricket academies, like parents sending them to piano or any other private lessons?

 
natty_forever 2019-03-15 12:28:16 

In reply to openning

What is your take on getting youth into cricket academies, like parents sending them to piano or any other private lessons?
I am all for it … we would need them to exist, to be able to send them.

A group of persons here, did their own thing for mostly U11s (Doctor Bird), my son was part of such, they had the services of, arguably the best youth coach in the island (may his soul R.I.P.) and most of these have gone on to represent their high schools if not Jamaica.

 
POINT 2019-03-15 13:19:51 

In reply to tc1

It was not my intention to run You
off this Post , It would be nice if
you respond to what I wrote .

Perhaps what I stated in response to
what You stated has satisfied You ,
and perhaps You do not want to admit
that what I stated is Factual .

In this Forum that has been a constant
occurrence , because I took the time
and effort to read & understand how
West Indies Cricket has got to this
State .

So far No One has provided credible
evidence that what I state is simply
a figment of my Imagination .

 
openning 2019-03-15 13:32:26 

In reply to POINT
Why do you want people to reply to the very same thing their responded and agree to, the first time you posted it?
Man get a life.

So far No One has provided credible
evidence that what I state is simply
a figment of my Imagination .

You're the only one fixated with the above, because we all have been following the ills of West Indies cricket.

 
POINT 2019-03-15 14:02:12 

In reply to openning

I do not recall that My Thread was
directed to YOU ; My recollection is that it was directed to TC1 .

This is not the first time You have
interjected Yourself in dialogue that
I have with someone in this Forum .

That as far as I am aware is freaking Bad Manners . I do not recall YOU were in the dialogue I was having with tc1 regarding what I stated .

 
openning 2019-03-15 14:20:06 

In reply to POINT

Bro, you have Trump like syndrome, wanting posters to praise your repeated postings.

So far No One has provided credible
evidence that what I state is simply
a figment of my Imagination .

The above was posted numerous times by you, are you looking for a medal?

 
POINT 2019-03-15 15:17:22 

In reply to openning

It seems that You are unable to restrain from interjecting Yourself
into dialogues that I am having with
other persons .

I do not recall that my remarks were
meant for YOU . My remarks were addressed to TC1 . They had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with YOU .

 
tc1 2019-03-15 16:12:45 

In reply to POINT
you did not run me from this postings, WI have a league today and our performance is dismal, England played more cricket in the 60 ,70, 80, and were one of the weakest teams.
The Aussie fc seasons only account for 10 matches and yet they dominated the world cricket for years, it the strength of your domestic tournament that determine the standard of your cricket.

it order to have a strong national team , your nursery u13,16, 19 programs need to be developed and nurtured .

You may have some ideas, but neither you nor I are expert in cricket.

 
Dukes 2019-03-15 16:30:30 

In reply to tc1

We are fine up to the Under 19 level but then we fall away.We are hopefully about to change that as 3 Under 19 players from 2016 are now in the test team, Hetmyer, Joseph and Paul.We need to have an Under 23 team touringIndia,Pakistan,Sri Lanka and Bangladesh as well as England

 
POINT 2019-03-15 17:58:17 

In reply to tc1

I am really at a loss why many here including You fail to realise that
the number one is, isssue in West Indies Cricket is the failure of the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth to change its Freaking
Structure which was inaugurated in 1928 .

THAT WAS IN THE 2OTH. CENTURY. WE

ARE LIVING IN THE 21ST.CENTURY YET

DESPITE THIS FREAKING FACT ; AND THE

COMMISSIONING OF SEVERAL REPORTS ,

THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST

INDIES CRICKET HAVE BLUNTLY REFUSED

TO CHANGE ITS 1928 STRUCTURE .

I am of the opinion that it is imperative that there must be a Complete change in both the WICBC and ALL Current Cricket Boards in the Region .

Once in writing in this Forum sometime between 2003 & 2004 I received a Personal Mail in this Forum .

The Person who sent me this email said that a Committee was had a
Meeting , and the Chairman of that
Committee was not informed . I have
no idea whether that was true or false .

I have always been of the opinion that ALL persons in the WICBC and the Regional Boards must be removed. I firmly believe that THEY have absolutely no intention of changing
their Modus Operandi .

Obviously if there is a New Structure , THEY are obviously going
to sabotage it . That is precisely
why I believe that ANY NEW STRUCTURE
Cannot & will not work with the
Current Occupants of the WICBC &
The Regional Cricket Boards .

My take is not really complicated ,

A NEW STRUCTURE MUST BE ADMINISTERED

BY NEW PERSONNEL IN THE WICBC & THE

REGIONAL CRICKET BOARDS .

I really do not think that the current occupants of the WICBC & the
Regional Boards should complain .

THEY COMMISSIONED SEVERAL REPORTS

AND THEN SUMMARILY DISMISSED THEM

WITHOUT AT LEAST TRYING THEM .

So what makes serious persons believe that on this occasion the
current occupants of the WICBC & the Regional Boards , will automatically accept the New Structure ?????

This is precisely why they all have to demit their Offices in my opinion.

A NEW STRUCTURE I BELIEVE MUST HAVE

NEW FACES , WHO WOULD OBVIOUSLY MORE

ACCEPTABLE TO THE RECOMMENDED

CHANGES . THAN THOSE CURRENTLY IN

THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST INDIES

CRICKET .

I honestly believe that leaving the
current occupants in the WICBC & The
Regional Boards is a recipe for Disaster .

I am also of the opinion that No One
can provide credible evidence to persuade me that what I have stated here sheer Nonsense .

 
Kay 2019-03-15 20:43:27 

Old dreamers!!! smile

 
tc1 2019-03-15 21:18:15 

In reply to Dukes


you think we are fine up to u19, why is the transition to international level so difficult for our youngsters
Hety , Joseph and Paul are now at the international level , but only Paul has performed outstanding at the regional level.These guys should also be in the u23 as established cricketers.

I think the class of 2010 is become the class to watch - Holder, KB, Dowrich, Dowrich, Blackwood, campbell,Lewis and Chase.

 
tc1 2019-03-15 21:38:23 

In reply to POINT

your behavior and tone is similar to the worst cricket board, and you failed to address issues related to cricket improvement.

You continue to preach about the 1928 structure without outlining the new structure.
is the new structure above the partisan politics and beyond the reach of the politicians and vested interest that have brought WI cricket down fall.

 
POINT 2019-03-16 15:09:49 

In reply to tc1

On many occasions I have in this Forum
outlined what I believe would be the
best Structure for Cricket in the Region . I will again do that for Your
benefit . In about 30 mins .

My take is that Players should have
Representation on the Board . Doing
this obviously would bring some semblance of Equality , and harmony
between Our Players and the Board .

The stark Freaking fact is that the
WICBC inherited a Cricket Board that
was populated by Persons who had nothing in common with Our Players ,
they were wealthy Persons , they had
a different Pigmentation ; and due to their wealth & standing in the
Society , only interacted with Players on the Cricket Field .

While it is true that most of the
current Office Holders in the WICBC
are of a different mentality than those who formed the WICBC ; the
current Office Holders are fixated
with behaving like those who formed
the WICBC .

I am of the opinion that it is this
marked Elitism that has caused a Gulf between Our Players and the WICBC .

This Gulf in my opinion are at the
heart of the problems between the
Board & the Players ; and in my opinion detrimental to the WICBC &
Our Players having a harmonious Relationship .

The gist of what I am stating here is that it is time for the WICBC to
shed its Plantation Philosophy forever . It is detrimental to the success of West Indies Cricket .

STOP IMITATING THOSE WHO FOUNDED THE

WICBC IN 1928 . UNLESS OUR PLAYERS

GET SOME RESPECT WE WILL BE RUNNING

VERY FAST AND FINDING OURSELVES IN

THE SAME FREAKING PLACE .

WE are living in the 21st Century not in the 20th Century , this is why it is imperative that there is
real harmony between the WICBC ; The
Regional Boards & Our Players .

THERE MUST BE MUTUAL RESPECT BETWEEN

THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET

AND OUR PLAYERS . UNLESS THIS IS

DONE WE WILL BE AKIN TO SPINNING A

TOP IN MUD .