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Russell and Grandhomme

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:19:28 

The latter is supremely fit, and is batting responsibly. And is an excellent fielder and chips in with useful wickets.

Russell right now would be limping and teeing off.

That's the difference between west Indies and other teams

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:23:04 

And grandhomme walked into bat at a very similar stage in the match, as Russell did against australia

 
natty_forever 2019-06-19 18:23:06 

In reply to brians_da_best

Russell never select himself.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 18:23:33 

In reply to brians_da_best

They both have the same batting average, Andre has the better bowling average. Andre is also more dangerous.

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:26:13 

In reply to Sangfroid

Let's see who wins the match, and who tees off recklessly

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2019-06-19 18:26:41 

In reply to Sangfroid

....but is he fit?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 18:29:22 

In reply to brians_da_best

Let's see who wins the match, and who tees off recklessly


Ya like living in de moment,nuh?

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:31:02 

In reply to Sangfroid

52 off 39 balls.

Who is more dangerous.

In fact define dangerous

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:37:41 

In reply to Sangfroid

Who has been more effective in the world cup?

Grandhomme could well be the MOM here, too

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 18:39:28 

In reply to brians_da_best

See above.

 
NineMiles 2019-06-19 18:40:02 

In reply to brians_da_best

de Grandhomme didn't get it done. lol

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:42:09 

In reply to NineMiles

But almost got them there. Didn't tee off like a jackass with the asking rate of 6, and 80 to get, which is what Russell did in the game against Australia

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 18:42:59 

brian is de best lol lol lol

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-19 18:43:56 

In reply to Sangfroid

60 off 47,a partnership of 90 with his captain. I'd take that.

How did Russell get?

 
NineMiles 2019-06-19 18:47:34 

In reply to brians_da_best

Yeah, de Grandhomme played a responsible innings here....win or lose

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 18:48:02 

In reply to brians_da_best

Keep living for today....

 
gvenkat 2019-06-19 19:21:39 

In reply to Sangfroid

Andre is also more dangerous.


With his looks? lol

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 19:24:58 

In reply to gvenkat

Not sure, but that could be interpreted as racist...

 
gvenkat 2019-06-19 19:26:32 

In reply to Sangfroid

How so? He does have a mean look when he takes wickets. cool

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 19:32:07 

Russell (56) - SR: 130, 94 4s, 57 6s.

de Grandhomme (32)- SR: 112, 38 4s, 24 6s.

 
openning 2019-06-19 22:51:15 

In reply to brians_da_best
Russell has become a power-hitter, not someone that is able to bat for a long period.
He should be sent home, base on his injury.
Fitness is a key factor in sports, he should had passed a fitness test, before being selected.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 23:21:12 

In reply to openning

Russell has the second most wickets for WI, and he contributed in a big way to the first win. Send home those fit and non-performing pretenders...

 
Poggy 2019-06-19 23:43:32 

In reply to Sangfroid

Russell is arguably the most after player.
We need to play him in his right role where he has consistently gotten results.
I will take a 1/2 Russell over 90% of the current team

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-19 23:47:20 

In reply to Poggy

Many on here can't seem to wrap their heads around that basic fact.....

 
openning 2019-06-20 00:30:33 

In reply to Sangfroid

Russell has the second most wickets for WI, and he contributed in a big way to the first win. Send home those fit and non-performing pretenders...

Keep harping on what an injured Russell have done, in helping the team to lose matches, Ateam cannot depend on any player, who cannot bowl ten overs during a match, or can run down balls, run quick singles, turn ones into twos.
Russell limit the team.
We just witness a Basketball team, bring a star back, and had to be taken off the court.
It was a shame seeing the umps, demanding an injured player, back unto the field.

Many on here can't seem to wrap their heads around that basic fact.....

Again let me say, Russell should not had been selected, until he or any injured player, pass a fitness test.

 
openning 2019-06-20 00:34:00 

In reply to Poggy

Russell is arguably the most after player.
We need to play him in his right role where he has consistently gotten results.
I will take a 1/2 Russell over 90% of the current team

That saying is good for village cricket, but not at the elite level.
Could Russell bowl 10 overs in any match?
Could he field the maximum overs?

 
Poggy 2019-06-20 02:31:55 

In reply to openning
Very predictable response.

Russell knows he's special, but he doesn't over-state that fact.
Btw Russell expect these kinds of remark
"

I know I'm special. I know I don't make too much out of it," he told KKR media after the match. "I make sure I remain calm because, you know, once you're doing well you're going to struggle a bit at some point. So at the end of the day, I make sure I keep this momentum going. I don't take anything for granted. I'm not going to say 'I made 40 here in the last game and I'm going to continue from where I left off'. It's a new game, you've to approach it differently

 
openning 2019-06-20 02:43:24 

In reply to Poggy

Russell is playing on one leg, name any sporting team, that will field a team , with a player hobbling, the way world saw Russell?
Russell is one of the players in the region, that would be among the first on any regional team, if he was 100% fit, this is about his injury, not someone being special.
Russell want to place, but he is not able to perform to his maximum, therefore he should get his injury look after.

 
dayne 2019-06-20 04:00:06 

The difference between other teams and the WI, is that other teams do not play unfit players, Afgan drop their unfit overweight wicket-keeper, India sent home Dhawan, England is resting Roy, the WI keep on playing the one-legged Russell.

 
nitro 2019-06-20 10:57:13 

Actually the one match The Worst Indies won in this World Cup Russell played an instrumental part with the ball.

Russell is a power hitter, not a world class batsman.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 11:09:56 

Russell has the second most wickets after Thomas...but dat na matta...keep the rest, caz them "fit n proppa".

 
Larr Pullo 2019-06-20 11:17:13 

In reply to Sangfroid

Can he finish his quota of overs? And if he cannot what happens then?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 11:22:57 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Has that been a problem in this WC? Have you checked the combinations from game one? Have you read the captain's and management's statements from game one? The intent was that Russell would have played as a batting all-rounder. That was the plan from the beginning, but somewhere along the line they forgot the plan...

 
Khaga 2019-06-20 11:27:35 

In reply to Sangfroid


The intent was that Russell would have played as a batting all-rounder.


Does it mean he doesn't have to field?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 11:30:32 

In reply to Khaga

Well....I'd imagine if one aggravates his knees while over-bowling, against the plan...well, you get it, hopefully.

 
sudden 2019-06-20 11:58:32 

In reply to Sangfroid

what is "over-bowling" in an ODI?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 12:12:40 

In reply to sudden

what is "over-bowling" in an ODI?



Has that been a problem in this WC? Have you checked the combinations from game one? Have you read the captain's and management's statements from game one? The intent was that Russell would have played as a batting all-rounder. That was the plan from the beginning, but somewhere along the line they forgot the plan...


Game 1: 3 overs

Game 2: 8 overs

Game 3: 2 overs

Game 4: 6 overs


They lost the plot in game 2 and 6, no doubt because he was perhaps their most effective bowler. If I remember correctly, he got all of his wickets in his first spells.

 
sudden 2019-06-20 12:15:24 

In reply to Sangfroid

how many overs did the management say a batting allrounder bowls?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 12:16:59 

In reply to openning

Keep harping on what an injured Russell have done, in helping the team to lose matches, Ateam cannot depend on any player, who cannot bowl ten overs during a match, or can run down balls, run quick singles, turn ones into twos.
Russell limit the team.


What a load of crock! In the only game WI has won, it was because of Russell. In the last game, he was one of only two bowlers to take a fukn wicket! Russell was not picked with the intention of bowling 10 overs!! That was not the plan!! But perhaps more importantly, which player in this squad can do better than what Russell has done? WHO??? Carlos??? Fabien??? WHO?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 12:21:26 

In reply to sudden

how many overs did the management say a batting all-rounder bowls?


Point me to a standard? There is something called judgment...quite clearly there were errors there, no?

Russell, who had played just one one-day international in four years before the start of this World Cup, has predominantly been used in short bursts in order to protect his troublesome knee. However, he was used in a slightly longer five-over burst in the defeat to Australia last Thursday.


"With hindsight, it's probably a bit too long,” Holder reflected. “Yeah, he was going well in that game. I kept asking him how he felt. He said: ‘One more, skip, one more, skip,’ so it is hard to deny him.”


Maybe that will help you, or not...


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openning 2019-06-20 12:57:02 

In reply to Sangfroid

Russell was not picked with the intention of bowling 10 overs!! That was not the plan!! But

Thats the problem, you pick a team knowing that one of your stars is not expected to bowl 10 overs.
Only in the West Indies will this happen.
Russell like Sammy has become a part timer, cannot be call upon to assist the team, because he is not required to bowl a maximum of ten overs.
No wonder they had to give the ball to a lesser bowler in Carlos, young Thomas and others.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 12:58:17 

In reply to openning

How is that a problem when he brings more than any of the alternatives?? SMFH

 
jnaveen 2019-06-20 13:09:56 

Russell at this point is fit for T20. Not for a full 50 over game where you have to field for 50 overs and bowl 10 overs without breaking down. Captain cannot go in with a plan when he doesn't know when he will break down.

 
openning 2019-06-20 13:11:15 

In reply to Sangfroid

Dude we are talking about a sport that requires everyone to participate at all times.
Russell's injury limit him, in what role he plays.
He is one of the experience players and leader within that team, who any captain would want to call on, during a match, because of his injury he limit the team.
Lets hope he get his injury look after, because there is lots to live for after cricket.

 
openning 2019-06-20 13:12:16 

In reply to jnaveen

Russell is not fit for any type of International cricket.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 13:12:37 

In reply to openning

What part of the actual results don't you get, injury or not?

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-20 13:15:34 

In reply to Poggy

The problem with Russell is, he isn't only physically handicapped. He's mentally handicapped too.

Still can't get my head around the shot he played against Australia.

And then he repeated it against England a few days later.

Also, strictly based on his odi international record, is Russell even the superstar we make him out to be? He's played about 50 games, sometimes gets away with teeing off, and that's what his odi record is.

Add to that, he can't bowl his full quota of 10 overs, and do you start to see how big a liability he suddenly becomes?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 13:18:48 

In reply to brians_da_best

Here are three very useful questions proposed by Thomas Sowell when faced with an issue:

1. Compared to what?

2. At what cost?

3. What hard evidence do you have?

So, take all that you have just spewed and see how they measure up...

 
brians_da_best 2019-06-20 13:25:40 

In reply to Sangfroid

rUssell's international stats

Batting:

Tests - average (TWO)

Odis - average 27, 4 50s in 56 games, stroke rate 130 (but if you score 20 off 15 balls and get out, you can have that strike rate, too, and that's what Russell does)

T20s - average 17, strike rate 141 (again a mediocre average)

Bowling:

Tests - average 104

Odis - average 32, 70 wickets in 56 games (decent but not superstar material), economy rate 5.84 (good)

T20s - average 36 (25 wickets in 46 games), eco rate 9.15 (NINE runs an over+)

Break down those stats more. Has hardly played a game since 2015.

Is half fit.

Has largely mediocre numbers.

You don't carry a player like this to the world up, unless the player is Brian Lara or vivian Richards. Not Andre fcucking Russell.

I maintain what worked in rUssell's favor was the election of skeritt. He had to pick one IPL player to prove that his policy of mending fences wasn't just all talk!

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 13:28:42 

In reply to brians_da_best

Here are three very useful questions proposed by Thomas Sowell when faced with an issue:

1. Compared to what?

2. At what cost?

3. What hard evidence do you have?

So, take all that you have just spewed and see how they measure up...


See the bold part above.

 
Larr Pullo 2019-06-20 13:37:57 

In reply to sudden

what is "over-bowling" in an ODI?


bowling 12 overs...

 
Larr Pullo 2019-06-20 13:40:31 

In reply to brians_da_best

And then he repeated it against England a few days later.


Well you saw what happened when he changed tactics and tried to defend against Bangladesh.

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 13:40:35 

In reply to Larr Pullo


bowling 12 overs...


That maybe true only if the plan was to bowl 10...no?

 
Larr Pullo 2019-06-20 13:41:59 

In reply to Sangfroid

You're burying your fool fool head in the sand!

 
Larr Pullo 2019-06-20 13:42:44 

In reply to Sangfroid

How many Russell plan to bowl?

 
Sangfroid 2019-06-20 13:55:11 

In reply to Larr Pullo

How many Russell plan to bowl?


It seems for mgt:

Russell, who had played just one one-day international in four years before the start of this World Cup, has predominantly been used in short bursts in order to protect his troublesome knee. However, he was used in a slightly longer five-over burst in the defeat to Australia last Thursday.


But for Russell:

“With hindsight, it's probably a bit too long,” Holder reflected. “Yeah, he was going well in that game. I kept asking him how he felt. He said: ‘One more, skip, one more, skip,’ so it is hard to deny him.”


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Poggy 2019-06-20 15:02:23 

In reply to openning

I am not privy to Russell's injury details.
We trust that those in charge can judge his level of fitness to play..