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and WI would have posted around 300, a "defendable" odi score. it makes no sense for an opener to bat a majority of the innings at a strike rate less than 100. that is a losing strategy

In reply to sudden

Gospel according to.....

Amen

It's time to attempt a comparative analysis of the SR of all current ODI openers.

Doosra can you volunteer?

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On another note, the West Indian women had more than 10 overs of dot balls and they did not bat 20 overs.

Will you guys accept a ROI of considerably less than normal market performance?

In reply to sudden

How you cud say dat when dat Emir fella eh bring up strike rate at all. Even Chrissy staying far from de strike rate talk.

Someting eh right

Both Sri Lankan openers batted at a SR of 91.

If we project SR of 91 batting 300 balls and a SR of 83 batting 300 balls see how many runs you are giving up.

The other important factor is when you go slowly in the modern game you are asking your big hitters to do too much to make up for the shortfall. Our big hitters are left with no breathing space and will fail i this scenario mor often than not. You will most times be second best playing with higher ranked teams that are explosive at the start...and all of the high ranked teams are explosive at the start. Look at the SR of our last three batsmen. It tells a story that happens far too frequently. Btw, this is called the opportunity cost of a low SR. You are giving up advantage very early in the game. It's that simple.

Some of us look beyond where lesser mortals fear to tread.

Btw, the answer to my comparative SR analysis = 24.

So, we are starting with a 24 runs disadvantage and that is projected to 50 overs.

And please note that the same applies to any other opener not named Shai Hope. So I am not picking on Hope.

Today's SR by Hope was acceptable but even with his best SR we gave up advantage, because their was no Hety to take corrective action.

West Indies should ensure that the number 3 batsman is consistently explosive and occupies the crease.

Bravo batted with a SR of 75. Your number 3 batsman will not win you games with this batting construct. We have two batsmen virtually anchoring the innings.

But why is the West Indies team paying an analyst...is he only a video analyst?

I will suggest a better brains trust...greater breadth of thinking.

Can i volunteer?
for guys over 30 ODIs or there abouts...i may have missed a few...i shall update as my time permits

In reply to doosra

Thank you kindly, sir. I thought it would establish a correlation and it did indeed.

Thanks awfully, once again.

In reply to doosra

Did you notice how many dot balls West Indies women faced today?

In reply to Courtesy

checking now

they were in a thai yuh sayin?

In reply to doosra

Yes, their lack of technical ability and inventiveness are a hindrance to rotating strike.

In reply to Courtesy

what are your thoughts wrt Hope's innings?

In reply to sudden

I did not see the innings but a SR of 83 for Shai anchoring the innings is acceptable. He has the ability to get even better from here.

And a ton is a ton.

Congrats to the young man.

btw shai is now in the t20 team

that could be a good thing

In reply to doosra

Only because Lewis not in...was he retested too? Why not? If yes did he fail again?

Hope seem only interested batting long

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

mih nuh name skerrit or adams

In reply to doosra

Cudda fool me

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

that's not the most difficult task

In reply to doosra

True

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Chase SR was well beyond a 100 and WI won!

In reply to ray

Right, he should come in hit a boundary and get out like everybody else..

Let's look it from another perspective. Hope and Bravo batted 32 overs at a Run Rate of 4.8 per over. This will not win you many games unless the batsmen coming lower down the order go berserk and this will not happen often.

Now if Shai is anchoring the innings with a SR of 83 (acceptable) Bravos or any number 3 batsman does not have the luxury of a lower SR (75) than Hope batting that deep into the innings.

In reply to Courtesy

So either Hope batted too slow or Bravo did?

In reply to sudden

I have advocated on other threads here long before today that a SR of 83 is acceptable for Shai anchoring the innings.

I will make an assessment of his dot ball perspective to put his SR in proper perspective.

A number 3 batsman and those coming after.should by striking higher than 83.

In reply to Courtesy

When this discussion was raised before - the dot ball discussion, the effect of the dot balls was raised by a few (names not necessary).

More than anything else dot balls affect the rhythm of a limited overs innings.

So the sr rate as you noted is only one aspect.

I would argue hypothetically that a batsman scoring 100 at sr 100 with 60 dot balls (20 4s + 20 singles for example) will win you less games than a batsman scoring 100 at sr you 100 with zero dot balls (all singles) simply because he's able to get others involved. Of course the 100 singles is the extreme case but the point is still the same if you say 30 dot balls

In test cricket the dot balls allow a bowler to settle into a plan against a batsman...that's why they encourage turning the strike over.

In reply to doosra

I agree ,especially with a right and left hander batting together. Disturbing the rhythm of a bowler is important and can yield runs. Not forgetting the run out potential when the strike is not being rotated.

Many teams understand the importance of this and where possible would look to have them at the crease at all times.

And you are correct...a SR without juxtaposing it with dot balls does a disservice to the stats.

In reply to doosra

Yep. And I did not see your post. Attention to detail is important.

In reply to Courtesy

maybe Pooran should bat in Bravo's position then

Occupation of the crease is also important. You can have a strike rate of 120 but de players only last for 20 balls dey will be all out for a score of around 240, the same as if dey batted at an 80 strike rate for all de overs.

What we need to do is to keep increasing the strike the longer we bat.

Sri Lanka, the pioneers of the elevated strike rate have not had more success than other teams after the novelty of the brazen approach wore off.

There is an optimum point between strike rate and crease occupation which our team needs to find that shud take into account conditions and the like

In reply to sudden

Hope 109* at a strike rate of 75.17 against Afghanistan.

WI won.

The big hitters have done diddly with the SR in that match. And don't say he put pressure on the other batsmen.

Pollard should stop being an observer and set an example as captain and open the innings batting and stop hiding behind the youngsters.

In reply to sudden

This would be my preferred option.

Let's put it this way: The 300 balls are part of the team's resources and they have to be maximized. The team which makes the better use of it's resources will always be ahead and achieve greater results and this does not only apply to cricket.

A leader plays an important role in this team exercise. So it's imperative that one chooses a leader who can get the best from his charges while setting the example. The leader also has to be given some latitude to decide who goes into battle with him/her.

It's also vitally important that CWI creates an enabling environment so that the system can churn out a plethora of quality players.

Excuse the tautology above but I am sure folks get the tenor of my thrust.

In reply to Courtesy

What's the team strategy?

In reply to Larr Pullo

The overall goal should be to score above 320 in batting friendly conditions. The strategic imperatives should flow from this...some of them have been discussed above.

In reply to Courtesy

What, if any, is the effect of losing wickets during the innings?

In reply to Larr Pullo

That's where your engine room makes the call.

If you are chasing it's better you lose attempting the case than resorting to slow poking if overs are running out.

If you are batting first then periodic assessments are needed and the overall plan is revised accordingly (btw, the brains trust of England do this beautifully).

In short, you cannot bat out the 50 overs batting first with plenty of batting resources left in the hut with fellas out there slow poking.

In mgt terms, it's called evaluation and re-evaluation.

In reply to Larr Pullo

One wicket in hand is worth two in the shed!

In reply to Courtesy

I thought you had this all thought out.

When you lose a wicket how much does the overall strike rate drop? What should be the established batsman's approach?

In reply to Larr Pullo

Don't blame me if you cannot make any sense of my penultimate post. You have my sympathy.

In reply to Larr Pullo

Our woman opening batter who scored 3 runs from 16 balls deserved to be run out. She was not helpful to the team's cause.

I was just thinking that out loud that she should run herself out when it happened.

In reply to Courtesy

Yah ok...

seems like we need Big Bravo in the team to do the death bowling and help out Mouty Pouty with the captaincy

Shai not the problem at all. Funny how his strike rate is ok when he have a partner willing to stay at the crease.

In reply to seaegg99

That's a joke. He'd have partners who could stay at the crease with him if he wasn't always running them out. Shai bats for Shai. Even if it takes 1000 balls. Ultimately, his last painfully slow innings against India in the ODIs in December, lost him any hope of getting an IPL contract too (because if he's slow in ODIs imagine what he'd be like in T20s) so no, we are not all imagining it...

In reply to Judgement

Wait Bravo don't need to look at balls going straight to fielders now. He was halfway down the wicket for a run that wasn't there. I guess Pullhard was run out also!

In reply to seaegg99

Listen, it is a well known secret that plenty players CURSE THE FACK OUT OF SHAI HOPE for running other players out constantly. Not once, not twice, but constantly. Shai bats for Shai.

In reply to Judgement

I wonder who de rest bat for....they don't last very long

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Especially when Shai has an ongoing friendship with dot balls and puts pressure on everyone else and the scoreboard....mind you, that's if the other batsmen don't get run out by him first...

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

they bat for strike rates hoping to get an IPL contract

In reply to Judgement

Do you know what is his SR in T20I?

It would be better for the West Indies if Hope's SR was higher AND his scoring was the same but Hope if far from what ails us. If Hope had lasted to the end of the innings imo he would have had a SR of close to 100. He recognized the situation and he changed gear. Just before he got out he attacked the spinner moving down the wicket to hit two fours. He was out coming down the wicket to get the ball full (he just missed it ) trying to hit another boundary. One factor to take into consideration when looking at Hope's SR is the fall of wickets around him in light of the fact that he has decided to be the anchor of the innings. Data that would be relevant is the avg WI score when Hope makes less than 20 and when he scores more than 50 and what are our win/loss records in the two categories.

In reply to Oilah

Good point, many here failed to recognize Hope SR in excess of 130 in T20 I.

it is what it is