The current 50 over intramural series in the West Indies is about to enter the knockout stage.I went to the Cricket West Indies website and looked at the stats.There was batting and bowling statistics.
I am assuming that the batsmen and bowlers listed were regarded as the top performers.
As far as I am aware the whole purpose of playing a sport is to win.Whilst winning one should be sportsmanlike and play in such a way that people find it attractive.
The fundamental point is that to win a limited over game your batsmen have to score runs quickly while batting the full 50 overs and then your bowlers have to restrict the other team so that they do not score runs as quickly as your team
That is limited overs cricket 101.
If one looks at the list of batsmen and bowlers that CWI deems the best batsmen and bowlers in this One day series one gets the impression that they are blissfully unaware of the basic facts about one day matches.
No wonder WI cricket seems lost

In reply to Dukes

You late to the party, as usual.

In reply to sudden

Explain please.

In reply to Dukes

Try standing up next time old fella.

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In reply to Larr Pullo
Talking about shit.....and taking the piss

Damn ... What is all that jargon about... that is definitely a reflection of someone trying to shit in a perfume bottle...
Sudden somehow grasped what Dukes was saying... I guess seniors understand their own kinda talk..
I am shocked as I expect this kinda gibberish from Nitro and Black but not from Duke...
Has the Duke gone the way of WI cricket???

In reply to CITYBOY

Name the 5 best bowlers in this current 50 over competition.
I will dissect your response and show you who talking gibberish.

BTW
Larr can respond too.

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In reply to CITYBOY

WTF? I am no where near Dukes’s age but I understood what he was trying to say

In reply to Dukes

Now now..dont get all riled up..
You ask.."Name the 5 best bowlers in this current 50 over competition. "

I do not know how to answer as in my opinion this is not a competition ...it is a farce...
You cannot have 5 BEST bowlers nor 5 BEST batsmen if BEST cannot be identified nor defined.
I leave the analysing of players performance to students of the game..like YOU..
Being the top in the statistic column would suggest top performances....and if that is what you want to define as BEST..so be it..
The top run getter Jason Mohamed can he be now viewed as a world beater????
AS far as I am concerned this 50 over series have nothing over curry goat games...
Dont get riled up old timer...stay calm...

Look at what CWI has on their website

Just click on stats

In reply to Dukes
Doc, this is a better site for the analysis, your site dont show the SR, which is crucial
in the white ball format.
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In reply to Dukes

Sinclair is in the top 5 bowlers. That is all I will say at this time.

In reply to openning

THAT WAS THE POINT!!!!!!!!
CWI websiteSEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT LIMITED OVERS CRICKET IS ABOUT!!!!!

PHEW

MOST RUNS AND MOST WICKETS IS WHAT THEY ARE INTO!!!

EL BURROS

In reply to Dukes

Los burros?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Whatever

In reply to Dukes

You don’t need the SR argument to discern that these guys are crap. Even Larr can deduce that

In reply to sudden

My experience tells me that there are legions of STUPID PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD.

ASSUME NOTHING
BREAK EVERYTHING DOWN TO SIMPE STATEMENTS SO THERE CAN BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING

1.The whole purpose of WI playing One-day cricket is to score rapidly for either 20 overs or 50 overs.When the opposition bats, our goal is to make sure they do not score as rapidly as we do
DAT IS ALL
You then look to see who scores rapidly and who bowls at the most economical rate

One of the things I have discovered in my career is that things are not as complex as they might seem.I was always struck by how the most brilliant doctor I have ever met always seemed to have simple solutions to what many thought were complex problems.

In reply to Dukes

Man that is one of your best post ever if not the best. I endorse it.

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In reply to Dukes

What you talking about scoring rapidly and economical rate blah blah ...the ultimate of a cricket game is for the team batting last best the team batting first by 1 run...
it dont matter how fast or slow or how much the first team batting mek(meh using guyanese language,because you need to hundersand)..
the team batting last just have to mek 1 more run and dem win game...
so all that pile ah nonsense about stats dont mean ...patter patter..
you still need a dollar and stats to buy a hamburger..

In reply to Dukes

Briiliant doctors from Harvard or Oxford or UWI cannot castrate a bull..I seh suh...but an abbotoir worker can...do you know why???

In reply to CITYBOY

Dukes is irrefutably correct

Ah feel Dukes' pain but ah suspect the person compiling de stats is not a cricket enthusiast.

For one dey have not defined the terms used and ah cyah figure out what DR stands for.

Secondly, dey have opted for Runs per over for batsmen/women instead of the more conventional strike rate.

The boundary % reflects the proportion of balls faced that were hit for boundaries as opposed to the proportion of runs scored in boundaries.

Maybe CWI is following de IPL and producing dere own brand of smart stats and just eh tell us about it yet.

Finally the table should be able to expand to show stats for all players as well as have the functionality to sort key columns in ascending or descending order.

In reply to Maispwi

1.No Pain
2.Surely if I was involved with CWI,I would educate whoever is running the website since it reflects on CWI
3.What is smart about those stats.
4.the amount of wickets taken by the bowlers is not the most important statistic wrt bowlers.

The whole point of highlighting the most impactful players is to show who are the players who win matches. I look at the players who score faster than run a ball and make big 50's.WRT Bowlers,I look at those bowling consistently at less than 4 runs per over.

I strongly believe in SUTTON'S LAW!!!!!

In reply to Dukes

Correct

In reply to Dukes

I am totally befuddled that there are some on this forum that do not understand your ‘theory’.

In reply to mikelegend

You tink?????
I am totally befuddled why those who dont know anything about cricket nor can interpret cricket stats are on a cricket chat???
This thread is irrelevant....
How can speed..as slow down of games/speed up games etc as some are asking for the stats to reflect.....
Analyse the average score per team please...just a pretty please....how many teams got over 250???How may teams batted 50 overs..
now put your theory at work here Einsteins..
Stats reflect performance...
One can interpret the stats anyway chosen...but at the end of the day its facts...
I dont know anything about cricket so I am getting off this thread..I am leaving it to those who know...
I dont have to sit and think..I can think..standing,lying,running etc...its a shame many cannot do that.

In reply to CITYBOY

Two teams play a 50 over match. Bowler A bowls 10 overs and takes one wicket for 10 runs with 7 maidens. Bowler B bowls 10 overs for 110 runs and takes 7 wickets with no maidens. The statistician declares that bowler B is the better bowler because he took 7 wickets. Do you agree with the statistician’s premise?

In reply to Dukes
how come the quality of the tournament is always questioned when
1. The Tits fields a full strength squad
2.AND SUBSEQUENTLY Beat everybody else

up to now ppl argue on this thread that pollard, bravo(s) and company should not have been on the world cup squad because they performed poorly in the 2018 super50(conveniently forgetting the dress rehearsal tour of India squad was picked during the middle of that tournament) and somehow would have to compete with failures such as carlos and ashley nurse

In reply to mikelegend

The statistician premise proves that both are needed!
Bowler B runs could have come from a flurry of edges!

In reply to StumpCam
When I learned to score for batting it was;
Inning Not Out Runs Average
Bowlers
Overs Runs Wickets Average
Some still continue to look at average to form their opinion, but ER and SR are keys in white ball cricket.

In reply to Jumpstart

It really is unfortunate that you are so hung up on your Nationalistic agenda./I am a proud Guyanese but I really do not give a rat's ass if Guyana wins because I am far more interested in West Indies winning..I am happy for Christopher Barnwell scoring a century but to me it is totally meaningless as he is not going to be playing and more importantly WINNING matches for the West Indies.

The answer to your query is really quite simple.If your countrymen who absolutely crush their intra-mural rivals were also crushing their International rivals then perhaps they would be getting more respect and satisfy your need for acknowledgement.However if they stink up the place in ODI's then they will be ridiculed like everybody else.
I would like you to look back at 2018 and 2019 when we last played significant amount of matches and look at who were the people who played MATCH WINNING INNINGS for the WI in ODI's.
According to you the over-rated and obese non-thinking chap who the guyanese call a batsman but really is just a fat overpaid punk has actually scored 4 match winning One Day International Centuries.
WHAT HAVE YOUR GREAT BATSMEN DONE????

de olda de moon, de brighter it shines

Posting for Point.

In reply to Jumpstart

Rams why dont you shut yuh skunt at times

In reply to StumpCam

He could have gotten all his wickets caught on the boundaries off long hops!!!!!!!

In reply to mikelegend

A bowler is supposed to get wickets. That’s what they are supposed to do...and yes a bowler who bowls lots of maiden overs in a limited over can be viewed as good... but he nah tek no wicket... the batsmen may had just played him out and then drap some lashes pun de odder bowlers.. And the score is now 350... So de man who could out batsmen is the man who gets the ball.

Cricket analysis is simple.... don’t overthink the plumbing

In reply to Dukes

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WENT MEDICAL SCHOOL. LIKELY IT WAS IN GUYANA- LIKE GOING TO A UNIVERSITY IN NIGERIA. YOU ARE SO IRRATIONAL YOU ARE STUPID. WE HAVE THREE WORLD CUP TITLES. HETMEYER WAS NOT PART OF ANY. NEITHER WAS HIS TEACHER WOMAN AND TRUE LEADER. HE COULDN'T EVEN WIN IPL

In reply to Barry

There is really only one Rule: Don't be a Jackass.


Please stay off threads , you wreck them with your stupidity. Admin may put you out of your misery one of these days.

sigh.....

In reply to CITYBOY

what about if all the bowlers in that innings had the same stats?


the object in limited overs cricket, if you are bowling,is to restrict the other side to the least possible runs.

if that means bowling 50 overs for 50 runs whilst taking no wickets or taking wickets to restrict the other side so be it.

then in your turn to bat you make 1 more run

if you bat first, you make as much runs as possible in 50 overs and then restrict the batting side to less runs than you made

respice finem

In reply to sgtdjones
Thanks Socafighter. The ICC has approached me and we hugged and kissed. Did they write you back? Remember there is only one rule - Use ONE handle.

In reply to Dukes

The biggest stat when documenting West Indies Cricket should be a Headless category. We play headless and not brainless cricket.
Let the stats show:
How many bad, stupid and wasted balls are bowled. They have 6 on the off and they bowl every ball on the leg.
Batsmen, not tail enders, who try to put every ball over the fence, irrespective of the state of the game.
Batsmen who are unable to take singles and can't get the ball off the square.
Batsmen who get out the same way, game after game.
Fielders who can neither field nor catch.
Etc, etc, etc.

In reply to sudden

I hear you...but you cannot go on one game....anyway I think everyone argument for and against was reasonable....

In reply to Dukes

There's a reason for that.....rarely do any guyanese players warrant selection. with the exceptions of hooper, tiger and ronnie, no guyanese cricketer has consistently warranted a place. Narsingh got a raw deal. Had talent and spunk.......they seem to be hesitant to drop hety because of it. Chandrika was the worst opener from the WI in the last 70 years. Whereas TTO players have very real grounds for irritation. I am sure Iran Khan is not going to be picked after this series even though he has bowled very well. Brathwaite(C), a professional joke with two moments to remember has played test cricket for the WI while pollard has not. Bravo, our best odi captain(a drawn series with the CWC 205 finalists and a tightly contested series with india) in 25 years was dismissed for non cricketing reasons. Need i go on.



A trinidadian batsman was the only thing separating the WI from the total irrelevancy it currently enjoys. Yes i said it. Chanderpaul was great but nobody is going to pay to watch him. Also, pollard is respected by everybody except david gower and a few old, angry west indians.....stress the old part and yuh doh find yuh too old for childish insults.....still playing with blocks and plasticine i see

In reply to Dukes

"He could have gotten all his wickets caught on the boundaries off long hops!!!!!!! "

What you have against long hops???That was my secret weapon....
Anyway from a comment made to you ..Brotherman just stay cool and calm and just ignore...dont get dragged in..
Take care...but I gonna drop some more long hops later.

In reply to Jumpstart

really? do you have something against C Braff? why do you always bring up his name?

what is his batting and bowling average in test cricket?

when did Pollard want to play test cricket? at the beginning of his career, the middle or now?

In reply to sudden

because he's a crap cricketer who was only picked for political reasons over infinitely better players. Sammy at his peak was more useful than this loser

In reply to Jumpstart

answer the rest of my submission, nuh?

In reply to sudden

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this was in 2011

In reply to Barry

Actually I went to Medical School in Trinidad!!!!!!!


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In reply to Dukes

In reply to Dukes

These tits going strangle you

In reply to Dukes
Butler must be do you something then . . . I understand ... Strange man that

In reply to Dukes
Maybe he was getting back at Sir Harry through you

In reply to Dukes

Gosh
Are you a college lecturer son?..Your podt is too long. :

In reply to TEMPER

How did you get posting rights??? Are you and admin friends???Only University lecturers and graduates allowed...
The way you posted... Gosh ... we never seen that before... you gats to be wan farrinah

Who said Pollard should play tests? He is mediocre, best at IPL only, plays for the money.

In reply to Runs

Cant be mediocre than shai hooe, narendra chandrika, carlos brathwaite, hetmeyer, kraigg brathwaite(who still aveeages under 35) or any of the other failures that have represented tge WI in recent times

In reply to Runs

I wonder at your disdain?

In reply to Runs

Hetty plays for free?

In reply to Runs

Wait Bishoo plays for 4s?

In reply to Barry

My opinion, he is mediocre

In reply to Jumpstart

Whataboutism will not absolve him, he only performs when big bucks are offered

In reply to Runs

Who is mediocre? Is it Bishoo?

Pollard from mediocrity to WORLD BEATER in non test formats....why????
From what I have seen Pollard once given the opportunity at the big bucks worked hard at his game to ensure he commands the big bucks as a mercenary.
With that in mind we will never know if the IPL did not come along whether Pollard would had excelled.
I do not believe he is interested in tests...
the bottom line to me is..Pollard can play ...
Enuff said..
Conclusion..If Sammy could had played test then anyone can..

In reply to Courtesy

Like you are lost again bro getting up there, such is life

In reply to Runs
My opinion. Shiv is a sh!t

In reply to Runs

Was not exactly following the thread and a poster asked:

And your response (next post) was:

Do you see why I asked the question?...legit, isn't it?

I was going to ask what ever became of Davendra Bishoo...but forget it.

In reply to Runs

Wasn't two Guyanese cricket players into 16 year olds? Big bucks indeed

In reply to Barry

My criticism of Pollard has absolutely no relevance with any other player, I do not get the reason for your analogy. Look at his stats when representing the WI vs playing in the IPL and make an objective assessment.

In reply to Jumpstart


I give you Lend Simmons

In reply to Runs

Why would I look at pollard stats because a drunkard West Indian don’t like a man? Drunkards and haters even in the diaspora

In reply to Dukes

Are you a university profession who is crack8ng up with a long post like that...just sit down and take a deep breath...its ok

In reply to Dukes

I think you are upset ...just sit down and have a cool drink

In reply to TEMPER

Post too long/attention span too short

The long and short of the matter.

In reply to TEMPER

mind your temper socafighter. you may end up singing dancehall