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OK CWI SKERRITT & CO IT'S TIME!!

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 13:25:22 

Let's see what kind of balls alyuh have. Time to stand up and stop the rot in WI cricket.

There is YET ANOTHER T20 league starting next year, DURING OUR FC season!!! This time in the UAE. My understanding is people like the Glazers, owners of MANU will be involved.

Of Course they will come calling for our best and brightest. When our best and brightest should be playing FC cricket to hone their skills so that they don't get to 30 and 40 in test cricket and then get out. They will come for out best who should be playing in our white clothes team so we wouldn't be thrashed day in and day out.

Skerritt and CO has to set aside whatever agreement they made with the mercenaries back in 2009 and let our players know that we have a brand to protect. Protecting our brand means we need full participation of ALL our players.

That brings us to the NOC's. NO PLAYER SHOULD BE ISSUED AN NOC DURING OUR FC Season. If they start talking about restraint of trade etc, then DO NOT SELECT THEM FOR ANY Pajama cricket!!!

You don't want to help build our brand? Then Bye!!! Don't let the door hit yah where the good lord split yah!! Bye!! You're fired!!! You don't have our interests at heart, then you not part of any solution that we could come up with!!!

Of course we will lose some talents, but they not all going to leave. We will keep more than we lose, and those that stay, we give them all support and work with them. Selectors, no more country and friends and family picks. All selections should be on merit. That means that people like Pollard and Simmons who are impediments to building our brand will be GONE from WI cricket, and good facting riddance!!!

GET ON WITH IT CWI!!! CUT OUT THE ROT!!!

 
sudden 2021-11-23 13:40:31 

In reply to Larr Pullo

was this cleared with RH? big grin

 
Dukes 2021-11-23 13:48:05 

In reply to sudden

My suspicion is that is more RH talking than Larr!!!!!

wink wink wink wink wink wink wink

 
sudden 2021-11-23 13:49:44 

In reply to Dukes

thanks...uh was trying to be diplomatic big grin

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 13:52:30 

In reply to Dukes

I know you know better but yuh does like play de skunt!!!



lol lol lol

 
doosra 2021-11-23 13:57:08 

well polly wanted another one

ready-made

I can see Rutherford, Shepherd et al signing up before returning home from the t10

 
sudden 2021-11-23 14:15:39 

In reply to doosra

all who get invited will go.

i would too. easy money

 
Barry 2021-11-23 14:26:53 

Get rid of the tits, keep Roger Harper, Pullo’s Burnham friend… cool

 
carl0002 2021-11-23 14:44:08 

In reply to Larr Pullo
20/20 cricket is moving and has moved beyound the swash buckling tail out and swipe kind a cricketer. Its as technical as the rest and perhaps you wont find that much demand for the WI cricketer or those that think they dont need to learn to bat in order to play 20/20. Therefore the changing nature of 20/20 is weeding out out the WI player. Soon and very soon they will need to invent an even shorter format for that type of player and perhaps that is already upon us as I recently read about the glorious performance of Russell in 10 over cricket after his embarrassingly dismal world cup performance.

 
Dukes 2021-11-23 14:54:56 

In reply to Larr Pullo

lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
StumpCam 2021-11-23 15:01:42 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Larr, my friend, while your intentions are good and borne out of love for West Indies cricket as you knew it in the prime of your life, the Baby Boomer generation is over! What you say matters little to Gen Z and Millennials! It’s a new day, change is inevitable! It’s time we old geezers accept it and enjoy the ride! You cannot stop test cricket from dying a timely death! The tsunami of T20 leagues around the globe will further accelerate its demise! $$$$ haffi mek! Ah suhmihseet!

The next thing I see happening is India having 2 representative teams (A & B).

 
VoopsandOut 2021-11-23 15:11:07 

Funny but when Pybus said the same thing several years ago to protect the integrity of our FC and test cricket, everyone was down on him. Ah well. A prophet is never honoured in his own land. We do not even need the foreign T20 leagues to defeat us. CWI always fixes some stupid white ball tour during our FC season so that our better players never get to play a full season anyway. They may as well make some money by playing in a no name league.

 
Barry 2021-11-23 15:13:32 

In reply to VoopsandOut

Pybus is West Indian? Own land? lol

 
VIX 2021-11-23 15:18:59 

Its more productive for the WI and for the players for them to take part in the T20 leagues.

T20 cricket is the present and the future. Players gain nothing by playing low quality FC cricket that no one takes any interest in.

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 15:26:05 

In reply to StumpCam

Larr, my friend, while your intentions are good and borne out of love for West Indies cricket as you knew it in the prime of your life, the Baby Boomer generation is over! What you say matters little to Gen Z and Millennials! It’s a new day, change is inevitable! It’s time we old geezers accept it and enjoy the ride! You cannot stop test cricket from dying a timely death! The tsunami of T20 leagues around the globe will further accelerate its demise! $$$$ haffi mek! Ah suhmihseet!


Yeah but we all saw that the players and teams who did well were those that are strong in long format cricket, and the players who excelled were the same players who would excel in Test cricket in most cases. To focus entirely on t20 as everyone seems to want to do is to ensure your own demise.

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 15:34:07 

In reply to VIX

Players gain nothing by playing low quality FC cricket that no one takes any interest in.


Here's a trick question. What makes the FC cricket high quality, the participants, or just by merely calling it FC cricket?

 
sudden 2021-11-23 15:35:08 

In reply to Larr Pullo

i hope you get an answer big grin

 
imusic 2021-11-23 15:36:30 

Has any T20 league anywhere hindered the ability of players like Kraigg Brathwaite, John Campbell, Shane Moseley, Jeremy Solozano, Chanderpaul Hemraj, Tage Chanderpaul, Bonner, Blackwood, Mayers, Brooks, Chase, DaSilva, Hamilton, Cornwall, Warrican, Permaul, Roach, Gabriel, AlJo, etc from taking part in the domestic FC season?

 
doosra 2021-11-23 15:36:41 

In reply to sudden

since Lara TTs don't think FC and test cricket is the epitome
they had to find a way to make Polly, Bravo et al great
i would not be surprised if they think Pooran is greater than Lara

big grin

 
sudden 2021-11-23 15:38:30 

In reply to imusic

what about Poorman, Hetty and Lewis who are being pushed to play all formats?

 
sudden 2021-11-23 15:39:47 

In reply to doosra

yuh done know. wasnt a tit advocating for Pouty to captain the test team? who needs to play stinking 4 day cricket to play test?

 
Walco 2021-11-23 16:40:51 

In reply to Larr Pullo
And your replacements for Simmons and Polly would be?

 
Barry 2021-11-23 16:48:01 

In reply to Walco
Hooper and Hetmeyer - He is ding the H's

cool

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 17:07:04 

In reply to Walco

And your replacements for Simmons and Polly would be?


Before you start identifying replacements, do your GAP analysis. See where you are, Identify where you want to be, then figure out the best people to take you there.

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 17:19:18 

In reply to imusic

Has any T20 league anywhere hindered the ability of players like Kraigg Brathwaite, John Campbell, Shane Moseley, Jeremy Solozano, Chanderpaul Hemraj, Tage Chanderpaul, Bonner, Blackwood, Mayers, Brooks, Chase, DaSilva, Hamilton, Cornwall, Warrican, Permaul, Roach, Gabriel, AlJo, etc from taking part in the domestic FC season?


Has it hindered the our cricket as a whole? While the proliferation of T20 has made a handful of our cricketers rich beyond measure, it has in fact hindered our cricket structure immeasurably for the vast majority of our players.

 
Star 2021-11-23 18:03:48 

In reply to Larr Pullo
I have always admired your intellect that is why I am so befuddled at the poppycock you wrote. Can any governing cricket body unreasonably restrain players from plying their trade elsewhere? Emphasis is on "unreasonably".

Players are only under an obligation to play exclusively for a governing body when they enter into a contract with them to that effect.

Where a player has chosen not to enter a contract with a particular governing body or alternatively has not been offered a contract the player is free to play wherever he likes.
You are entering the area of unreasonable restraint of trade, discrimination and various anti-competitive behaviour.

You don't want to help build our brand? Then Bye!!!
Ok, Bye and here is an example why most if not all will say bye. As a professional cricketer whose career is likely to end around age 37, I am looking to earn as much as possible not only for my own personal financial security but that of my family. You are currently paying all formats players $300,000 annually, a contracted white ball player $250,000 annually and a red ball player $200,000 per season which is from July 2021 to June 2022. None of these players can say that after June 2022 they will be employed as cricketers representing the WI.

What would you do if you were offered substantially more to ply you trade elsewhere around the world? These are not the days of Sobers and company who were paid 34 pounds to play cricket.

we have a brand to protect.
You can only protect your brand when you have the means to do so. That is not the case with CWI who depends on a handout from the ICC and a percentage from the players who ply their trade in the various T20 and T10 leagues. Do you think Mr Skerritt will be so stupid as to cut off that revenue lifeline.

I think you are joking Larr Pullo.

 
sudden 2021-11-23 18:06:11 

In reply to Star

of course Larr is joking, Jimmy.

big grin

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 18:14:37 

In reply to Star

Can any governing cricket body unreasonably restrain players from plying their trade elsewhere?


India "Restrains" their players from playing in any of the various *PL leagues not sanctioned by the BCCI. Of course we will have to pay them contractually to reserve that right but it can be done. If they are contracted and we ask them to play in our FC, and they say no because they have another contract to play in outer mongolia, then they do not get an NOC. It they decide that they don't want to sign a contract with the CWI, then you cannot represent the WI in any format of cricket, period point blank. Let's test the market to see how long you remain in demand when you're not playing international cricket.

CWI cannot continue to provide a platform for these players to build their personal brand on, then while that brand sinks, the fortunate few are off earning while the WI suffers.

There must be a balance.

 
sudden 2021-11-23 18:16:44 

In reply to Larr Pullo

where are we going to get the money to pay the players not to take up these contracts and which players do we want to remain?

then again Guyana has oil money now

 
bird 2021-11-23 18:17:24 

In reply to Larr Pullo
i am surprise to hear this nonsense fr you,did Dave Camran not try this and every body wanted his head on the chopping block, the truth our domestic competition is just to produce t20 players for mediocre leagues around the world

 
Walco 2021-11-23 18:18:49 

In reply to sudden
Starboy not Jimmy, but he knows just enough about restraint of trade to appear knowledgeable smile

 
Walco 2021-11-23 18:20:02 

In reply to Larr Pullo
Seems like you may know more about restraint of trade than Starboy wink

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 18:23:17 

In reply to sudden

Obviously the ones where a window exists, eg the IPL, sure you can go play that. The tournaments that are in direct competition with our FC season, or compete with WI engagements, if you are selected to a representative WI team and you choose to refuse so you could go play wherever, then no NOC.

 
sudden 2021-11-23 18:29:41 

In reply to Larr Pullo

what really needs to happen in cricket, is revenue sharing, whereby the ICC share the profits of international cricket after a certain level with small nations like WI, Sl, Banga, etc. and to an extent Pakistan and SA

so as to maintain a level of competitive cricket. it makes no sense to keep the big money and therefore the best chances of producing quality players to India, Oz and Eng with middle tier teams like NZ still very competitive.


Middle tier here means not big revenue producing and does not mean middle of the standings competitive

 
Larr Pullo 2021-11-23 18:37:32 

In reply to sudden

Agreed, but that is not going to happen because the 3 greedy boards that control the the ICC don't care about the small teams like the WI. Maybe the CWI taking a stand will force them to take notice.

 
camos 2021-11-23 18:54:05 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The tournaments that are in direct competition with our FC season, or compete with WI engagements, if you are selected to a representative WI team and you choose to refuse so you could go play wherever, then no NOC.



NOC requirement for players not under contract can't stand up in court!

 
imusic 2021-11-23 18:57:40 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Has it hindered the our cricket as a whole? While the proliferation of T20 has made a handful of our cricketers rich beyond measure, it has in fact hindered our cricket structure immeasurably for the vast majority of our players.

The game has 3 formats

Players remuneration in one format is substantially more than the other 2

Players gravitate to that format not just because of the remuneration, but for a number of reasons:
It’s a shorter format
There is significantly more media and spectator interest
Players actually have options instead of being subject to the whims, fancies, and biases of selectors

Yet, somehow players that opt for this format, AND ARE GOOD ENOIGH TO BE IN DEMAND, somehow hinder the structure and development of WI cricket and players who aren’t as good?

Sounds like you’re blaming players for being better in one or more format than their peers. Maybe they should play down to their level and that will make you happier.

 
camos 2021-11-23 19:04:17 

In reply to imusic

Players gravitate to that format not just because of the remuneration, but for a number of reasons:



you might add that T20 lengthens a player career and remove the dependency and potential for hostage taking that CWI management offers.

 
VIX 2021-11-23 19:27:28 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Here's a trick question. What makes the FC cricket high quality, the participants, or just by merely calling it FC cricket


Here's a trick answer: With modern cricket, it doesn't matter! Spectators pay to be entertained.

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2021-11-23 21:27:35 

In reply to imusic

So you think there's no bias and whims and fancies in the ipl? Ask David Warner or Chris Gayle

 
imusic 2021-11-23 21:28:37 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I’m sure they exist. That doesn’t stop those players from plying their trade in another league.

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