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West Indies A team and Test Possibilities

 
Slipfeeler 2023-04-30 03:10:06 

West Indies A-Team based on performances:

Nyeem Young
Ashmeade Nedd
Ackeem Auguste
Kevin Wickham
Kevlon Anderson
Kirk McKenzie
Tevin Imlach
Anderson Phillips
Alick Athanaze
Jair Mcallister
Keacy Carty
Kevin Sinclair
Nial Smith
McKenny Clarke
Zachary Mccaskie

West Indies Test Team based on performances:
Joshua Da Silva
Tage Chanderpaul
Brandon King
Akeem Jordan
Gudakesh Motie

Selection not exhaustive, please add others you feel should be on the teams

 
FanAttick 2023-04-30 03:24:50 

In reply to Slipfeeler

A-Team
Layne
Pitman
Melius
Mansingh

 
WICFan 2023-04-30 09:27:56 

K. McKenzie
Z. McCaskie
B. King
A. Athanaze
S. Hope
K. Anderson
K. Wickham
K. Sinclair
J. Bishop
M. Mindley
A. Jordan
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K. Carty
T. Imlach
J. McAllister
Chaim Holder

Tage, Bravo, Hamilton, Phillip and Motie should be considered as well.

 
Baje 2023-04-30 10:37:05 

Based on which performances...4 days ...or Headley Weekes

 
Logic 2023-04-30 11:46:53 

In reply to Slipfeeler
Curious to know what performances in first class level cricket you saw from Nedd, Clarke and Auguste that would warrant their selection over others

 
Logic 2023-04-30 11:57:08 

In reply to Slipfeeler
There seem to be some object permanence issues with yours and other selections

 
XDFIX 2023-04-30 12:09:26 

We get excited and carried away too easily as a people!

 
Slipfeeler 2023-04-30 12:17:12 

In reply to WICFan

Bravo and Hamilton, based on what? If you cannot score against schoolers, how will you bat against Indian bowlers?

 
Logic 2023-04-30 12:44:05 

 
Logic 2023-04-30 12:47:22 

In reply to WICFan

A more sober team but by T Bishop do you mean the batsman Teddy? I think Teddy needs more time fo tighten up his game

If you really meant J Bishop I could see that. I think he is the best of the young left arm spinners.


No need for Motie to tour. He should be our number one test spinner for some time to come. But Hamilton and Bravo should be considered

 
WICFan 2023-05-01 09:33:18 

In reply to Logic

Apologies, yeah I meant Joshua.

 
WICFan 2023-05-01 09:33:51 

In reply to Slipfeeler

Bravo for his 4 day performances.

Hamilton as specialist keeper.

 
Slipfeeler 2023-05-01 13:01:02 

In reply to WICFan

Man let’s focus on our young talented players, who have demonstrated last week that they are up to the task, that’s the only way West Indies team will turn towards winning consistently, and not with poor performing and declining players.

 
velo 2023-05-01 13:13:00 

i think wi people get carried away with one or two good performances.wickham anderson and mckenzie should be part of the bangla A tour. but the typical irrational saviour has come response has already started. now i hearing people saying wickham is now a better batsman than shai hope until wickham steps on a cricket ground for the wi senior team i withold my judgement.
i don't see big changes in the senior team batting at the moment athanaze probally is the most likely newcomer to get a look in. and i would assume that devon thomas ,reifer and mayers,are likely to retain their places for the indian tour.

ackeem jordan i would send to the bangla tour to get a look at him in foreign conditions i still don't see him as a test bowler

 
analyst-kid 2023-05-01 14:54:51 

In reply to velo

I agree with you here. We are getting carried away with guys in their rookie season and in the case of Wickham, his first FC score of significance, also Anderson.

A mixture of these rookies and seasoned FC players on the fringe of the test team should be the makeup of the team

The bowlers are different. They have started with a bang...McAllister and Simmons, Johan Layne and Pitman are all in contention longside Akeem Jordan.

 
WICFan 2023-05-01 14:55:13 

In reply to Slipfeeler

Whilst there is high hopes foe the Academy side, they should have been playing a full season of domestic cricket.

A few should go to Bangladesh, but India at home isn't long after and the middle-order has places up for grabs, therefore the likes of Athanaze, Carty and King should go.

Bravo, probably shouldn't go, but if selectors think he is on the cusp of a return perhaps he'll go and they'll rotate the squad during the series.

 
Slipfeeler 2023-05-01 17:48:44 

In reply to velo

We have to follow the post, there was a clear distinction made between test and A-team aspirants, in the heading of the post stated clearly that these selection are just, “possibilities”, nothing written in stone. A-team duties should be for our young players, on this board we have been demanding A-team tours for a long time now. Many want to pack the A-team with old and has been players while denying our talented youth players with much needed international experience and exposure.

 
bird 2023-05-01 18:05:29 

In reply to Slipfeeler

what is the fasciation with Nial Smith this guy seems to be a next Oshain thomas, does nothing with the ball, the problem with WI supporters they get overly excited with any one who bowls high one 30s regardless if they do nothing with the ball or bowl trash

 
openning 2023-05-01 18:16:06 

In reply to Slipfeeler

A-team duties should be for our young players

No wonder we are in the minor league, Jofra Archer just played for England Lions.

 
WICFan 2023-05-01 18:21:47 

In reply to openning

Renshaw and Swepson played for Australia 'A' recently too.

 
openning 2023-05-01 18:24:54 

Check the age of these Lions players for the tour to SL.
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Dukes 2023-05-01 18:33:53 

I expect the team to tour Bangladesh to be named on Saturday and this is who I would select.
It seems to me that Shai Hope is in the team so automatically he will be the captain.

1.S. Hope (capt)-29
2.K. Anderson-22
3. J. Bishop-22
4.K. Carty-26
5. B. King-28
6. J Layne-19
7. J. McAllister-??
8.Z. McCaskie-26
9.K. McKenzie-22
10. A Phillip-26
11.K. Pittman-20
12. R. Simmonds-21
13. K. Sinclair-22
14.K. Wickham-20
15. N. Young-22

 
openning 2023-05-01 18:42:17 

I would be shock if Athanaze and Akeem Jordan are not included.
We just do not play enough Red ball cricket, and all our top players can benefit from that A team series.
We tend to base selection on speculation of a players talent or from one or two good innings.
Consistency and production is never considered.

 
tc1 2023-05-01 19:06:56 

In reply to Dukes

This is not an A team, the is an Under 19 +2 team

 
openning 2023-05-01 19:39:52 

In reply to tc1

Desmond Haynes should be release of his duties, if he select the team Dukes listed, lets look at the A team squads last year.
Four-day “Tests”

Joshua Da Silva (Captain)

Alick Athanaze

Colin Archibald

Yannic Cariah

Keacy Carty

Bryan Charles

Tagenarine Chanderpaul

Justin Greaves

Tevin Imlach

Shermon Lewis

Jeremiah Louis

Marquino Mindley

Anderson Phillip

Jeremy Solozano

One-Day 50-overs

Joshua Da Silva (Captain)

Alick Athanaze

Teddy Bishop

Tagenarine Chanderpaul

Yannic Cariah

Justin Greaves

Tevin Imlach

Shermon Lewis

Jeremiah Louis

Preston McSween

Marquino Mindley

Anderson Phillip

Kevin Sinclair

Shamar Springer
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Dukes 2023-05-01 20:06:36 

In reply to tc1

You guys keep picking and recycling FAILURES!!!!!!!
The best performers in the recent four day WI Championships ere beaten by the youngsters from the Academy.Have you guys apart from expressing surprise digested just what that means???
The information is there but it takes a bit of thought to figure out what it means and to go back to the same people who are failing repeatedly suggests that many of you are suffering from Stockholm's syndrome.

 
anthonyp 2023-05-01 20:20:14 

My starting XI for first match

1. McCaskie
2. McKenzie
3. King
4. Anderson
5. Wickham
6. Hope (wk & c)
7. Reifer
8. Sinclair
9. Bishop
10. Layne
11. Jordan

 
openning 2023-05-01 20:25:12 

In reply to Dukes

Academy.Have you guys apart from expressing surprise digested just what that means???
After 25 years of losing, and 5-7 years of being embarrassed by an Australian at our Christmas parties I get it.
The is your selection, show me any sporting organization, that selects an international team, solely on a few games.

 
openning 2023-05-01 20:34:12 

In reply to tc1
Jacob Bethell is again selected for England Lions ODI squad, he hardly played any 1st division cricket for warwickshire the last couple years, but England has him as one for the future.

 
tc1 2023-05-01 22:33:21 

In reply to openning

Good for Jacobs.

 
Onionman0 2023-05-02 01:48:06 

This concept of selection...on the basis of age or rejection on the basis of previous failures at international arena is totally untenable.... Australia did selected Hayden and at present Kwaja for A tours....when both were in 30's.....and failed international careers....they learned the tricks on the road... specially in sub-continental spinning conditions.... Hayden went on to become one of best opener and Kwaja, scored the highest in just concluded India series....both resurrected their careers....on that basis what's harm in selecting Motie or Tage in A team......so they can learn playing in spinning conditions ...or Bravo, who can resurrect his red ball career....

 
FanAttick 2023-05-02 01:57:50 

In reply to Dukes

You guys keep picking and recycling FAILURES!!!!!!!

This is rich - coming from the man who appointed Shai Hope as his A Team captain…
Go figure

 
Dukes 2023-05-02 11:42:17 

In reply to FanAttick

If you look at the latest iteration of my team you will notice that more than half of the team are 22 or younger with 2 more experienced batsmen in Hope and King to add some balance to the team which would be playing in Bangladesh.Many of these players have never played outside the Caribbean.Sadly but not surprising you have not selected your team.That is typical of how many operate.Lacking in the courage of their convictions to name their team but all too willing to criticize those who do.
Please right this wrong to establish your credibility.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

 
FanAttick 2023-05-02 19:30:41 

In reply to Dukes

Hope and King to add some balance to the team


So your brilliant idea is to recycle a failure to add balance to the team? lol lol lol

 
Dukes 2023-05-02 19:45:57 

In reply to FanAttick

Please right this wrong to establish your credibility.


Still waiting in vain

 
PalsofMine 2023-05-02 19:54:43 

In reply to anthonyp
i dont understand the Reifer pick, especially before Young. I think for a tour of South Asia, probably a third spinner is needed in the starting XI.

 
tc1 2023-05-02 21:59:38 

In reply to Dukes

Let look seriously at the WI performance over the last 20 years at the u19, we won once , running up once, made the semi final once, and failed to break onto the final 8 many times,you now want to sent a modify u19 team to engage a strong Bangladesh A team. What forward thinking is this?

 
openning 2023-05-03 01:05:09 

In reply to tc1
From listening to the Mason show the team has been selected, it seems Hope, and a number of youngsters have been selected, Jair's fitness concerns cause him not to get a pick.

 
Dukes 2023-05-03 01:47:15 

In reply to tc1

Why don't you pick your team so we can discuss it?????

 
XDFIX 2023-05-03 16:35:08 

In reply to anthonyp


My starting XI for first match

1. McCaskie
2. McKenzie
3. King
4. Anderson
5. Wickham
6. Hope (wk & c)
7. Reifer
8. Sinclair
9. Bishop
10. Layne
11. Jordan



You have the correct team, kudos to you!

 
analyst-kid 2023-05-03 17:08:38 

Don't like no two fast medium bowlers, one medium pacer and two spinners against Bangladesh....you should have at least one genuine pacer.

 
Dukes 2023-05-03 17:47:33 

1.S. Hope (capt)-29
2.K. Anderson-22
3. J. Bishop-22
4.K. Carty-26
5. B. King-28
6. J Layne-19
7. J. McAllister-??
8.Z. McCaskie-26
9.K. McKenzie-22
10. A Phillip-26
11.K. Pittman-20
12. R. Simmonds-21
13. K. Sinclair-22
14.K. Wickham-20
15. N. Young-22

The centurions,McKenzie,Anderson and Wickham are obvious selections,Brandon King who made 92,McCaskie 93 and Sinclair 86 also are relatively non-controversial selections.
Kacey Carty has not done as well as one might expect but he has been around the WI set up for more than a year and has done just about enough to warrant another look.Shai Hope as captain and wicketkeeper has the requisite experience and class, certainly at the first class level to be selected as captain.No other wicketkeeper has made any significant amount of runs to command a place.
In terms of a left arm spinner,I think Permaul has already played enough test cricket for us to know what we need to know about him and looking at Nedd and Bishop,I feel that Bishop is more suitable for red ball cricket than Nedd.
Looking at the fast bowlers,Anderson Phillip who was injured last year is now fully fit and looks like he wants to get back into the test team so he warrants selection
Akeem Jordan has done well with both bat and ball but I do not feel he will be much of a threat in test cricket and I prefer the raw and inexperienced Jair McAllister who to me has much more upside.Obviously Jordan is experienced and knows his trade and will always do well at this level but he would be meat and drink to good test batsmen.
Layne who took 5 wickets and Pittman who is highly rated by Sir Curtly are two exciting young fast bowlers and taking them on tour where they will be playing on slow, low wickets would be a learning experience for them.
Naeem Young is a very promising and thoughtful young man whose cricket intelligence is off the charts and will do well in International cricket.
Ramon Simmonds is a very promising left arm pacer who bowls great in swinging Yorkers and though not as seasoned as Dominic Drakes is somebody worth investing in.I would have no problem if Drakes is selected but Simmonds has great potential

Now,one disappointing feature on this board is how few people are willing to pick their teams and defend their choices.It renders the board boring and inept when there is an absence of rigorous debate that such discussions engender.

Oh well..........

 
natty_forever 2023-05-03 17:54:41 

In reply to openning

Thats because he is working his way back, and needed match practice.Bajans and goal posts.

 
natty_forever 2023-05-03 17:57:54 

In reply to Onionman0

I'm sure Hayden's average is way higher than Bravo's. Reason why one would give Hay a look back.

 
Logic 2023-05-04 09:50:23 

In reply to Dukes
Until we start organising more A Team tours the few we have should be targeted at identifying and preparing peripheral players for possible test selection, so from your team I would replace:
Anderson
Wickham
Layne
Pittman
Young


with:
Bravo
Athanaze
Jordan
Drakes
Hodge


Always exciting to select young players but we set them up for failure if we dont provide enough match prep for them before tossing into the ocean. Playing for an academy team on home turf (Antigua) is a vastly different ball game from an Asia tour.

 
Logic 2023-05-04 10:01:53 

I select Drakes in part because it will help improve his white ball cricket. But on that basis it would not be a bad idea for Rovman to go.

There is also an argument for including the likes of Tage, Reifer and Motie to go but they are already in pole position. It's for the A tourist. to knock them off their perch

 
Slipfeeler 2023-05-04 12:24:08 

In reply to Logic

Bravo? Are you sure? When he could not even score a few runs against the schoolers? Wouldn’t it be better to give that opportunity to one of the schoolers?