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HEADLINE: Samuels not qualified to represent Jamaica - JCA
CaribbeanCricket.com
Nov 10, 2014, 2:33:42 AM
The Jamaica Cricket Association (JCA) says senior West Indies middle-order batsman Marlon Samuels does not qualify to represent the Jamaica Franchise in the new-look West Indies Four-Day Tournament this season.
This is as a result of allegedly violating a JCA selection policy criterion.
Samuels, who was left out of a Jamaica provisional 13-man squad which was named last Thursday for the team's first game against Windward Islands Volcanoes, beginning on Friday at Sabina Park, is to have violated section 1.1 of the JCA's selection policy criteria.
"He (Samuels) is not qualified to represent Jamaica in the upcoming regional first-class tournament," JCA Chief Executive Officer Courtney Francis told The Gleaner.
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camos
Nov 10, 2014, 2:42:46 AM
but is qualified to represent the WI?
cricketmad
Nov 10, 2014, 2:59:30 AM
In reply to camos
Check this :
"He got dropped for the New Zealand and Bangladesh series and was supposed to turn out for Melbourne during the (two-day) Senior Cup and he did not."
Melbourne running JCA ...........
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 3:01:34 AM
In reply to cricketmad
but he played for WI since then!
Larr Pullo
Nov 10, 2014, 3:03:39 AM
Should he complain to WIPA or the chief selector?
hubert
Nov 10, 2014, 3:09:02 AM
DIEHARD
Nov 10, 2014, 3:12:35 AM
Idiocy of the highest order, administration of the game in this region is going to be the death of it.
eXodus
Nov 10, 2014, 3:16:26 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 3:23:45 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Samuels is not a WIPA member.
tops
Nov 10, 2014, 3:31:15 AM
In reply to camos
Samuels is not a WIPA member.
That's why pullo made his comment
Admin
Nov 10, 2014, 3:33:25 AM
What does this mean for his qualification to play for the West Indies?
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Dukes
Nov 10, 2014, 3:40:42 AM
In reply to DIEHARD
Idiocy of the highest order, administration of the game in this region is going to be the death of it.
The problem is much much bigger than that.
The way I see it the problem in the Caribbean is there are very few people who can handle power comfortably.The vast majority of people who acquire power generally allow their ego to rule them and usually end up using their power to destroy rather than to build up and improve others.
Cuter
Nov 10, 2014, 3:41:54 AM
This makes absolutely no sense
WestDem
Nov 10, 2014, 3:52:40 AM
One thing you can say about JCA....they are consistent with their selection policy...drop his arse fuh true....he feel he too big to play domestic cricket locally....
He should learn from SHIV!
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 3:59:36 AM
In reply to tops
Larr poking fun at Hinds!
Samuels can still use lawyers , in place of WIPA.
anadayardi
Nov 10, 2014, 4:06:17 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
anthonyp
Nov 10, 2014, 4:06:19 AM
In reply to WestDem
Every weekend the great man playing a club match on the west coast demerara.. think he played at Zeeburg yesterday..
hubert
Nov 10, 2014, 4:08:49 AM
Pacy
Nov 10, 2014, 4:14:54 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Should he complain to WIPA or the chief selector?
Interesting question isnt it? May be Joshua will be able to guide him properly.
Pacy
Nov 10, 2014, 4:16:35 AM
In reply to Cuter
When we say we are Pro-Players and Anti Establishment. Welcome. Is there a reason why Samuels will respect JCA?
anandgb
Nov 10, 2014, 4:20:34 AM
In reply to Dukes
The vast majority of people who acquire power generally allow their ego to rule them and usually end up using their power to destroy rather than to build up and improve others.
This is so very true, but not in the Caribbean only
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 4:20:54 AM
I think this happened before and I will bet there was not proper communication between both parties. Last time JCA said they told someone to relay a message to Samuels.
crapaud
Nov 10, 2014, 4:22:11 AM
Gosh when I read the headline 'not qualified' I thought I was about to read that they just found out he is not Jamaican. PHEW!!! We have so much drama in our cricket..
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 4:23:13 AM
In reply to anandgb
but it seems more frequent in the Caribbean, Kirk Edwards over in Bim is a recent reminder.
billydred
Nov 10, 2014, 4:26:22 AM
Samuels
"This includes if he being on West Indies duties, or provide evidence that he is injured and cannot take part in national competitions.
"He got dropped for the New Zealand and Bangladesh series and was supposed to turn out for Melbourne during the (two-day) Senior Cup and he did not."
Why him so different than Taylor. Rules are rules, if you can't abide by them then find another job. It would be nice if some posters would read the entire article rather than jut the headline.
Commie
Nov 10, 2014, 4:30:51 AM
In reply to camos
We are just closer to it thats all.
Arsene Wenger banished Andre Arshavin to the reserves for almost 2 years for asking to play in the centre of midfield instead of the left.
Incidentally he is doing the same thing to Ozil with the same effect of destroying the guys game.
Ferguson was even worse.
In the end the relationship of egos is a constant battle in sports. I find the situation kind of strange because Jamaica needs Samuels more than Samuels needs Jamaica.
Star
Nov 10, 2014, 4:31:53 AM
In reply to Dukes
The problem is much much bigger than that.
The way I see it the problem in the Caribbean is there are very few people who can handle power comfortably.The vast majority of people who acquire power generally allow their ego to rule them and usually end up using their power to destroy rather than to build up and improve others.
Simply put: "Educated Fools".
hubert
Nov 10, 2014, 4:32:11 AM
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 4:32:15 AM
In reply to billydred
Why him so different than Taylor
wasn't there some issue with Taylor not long ago?
remember the dispute about his injury treatment?
Nyabinghi
Nov 10, 2014, 4:40:00 AM
In reply to billydred
I thought this is Franchise cricket....
Presumably all players ( non JCA tournaments participants) entered in the draft, could have been drafted by any team.
Marlon, being a WI contracted player was not entered in the draft. Under tournament guidelines Marlon "qualify" to represent Jamaica, his local team.
Correct me If I am wrong
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 4:46:03 AM
In reply to Nyabinghi
I think is not a matter of being not qualified, he is being punished,but is qualified.
billydred
Nov 10, 2014, 5:07:41 AM
In reply to Nyabinghi
Fast bowler Jerome Taylor has also not been selected.
According to Francis, Taylor, who was also apart of the ill-fated tour of India, requested time off to deal with some personal matters.
"He (Taylor) has asked the JCA for some time off to take care of some personal matters and it was granted," said Francis.
Two different action by two players in the same situation.
DIEHARD
Nov 10, 2014, 5:08:34 AM
In reply to billydred
Rules are rules, if you can't abide by them then find another job
I would normally agree with you but honestly.
For some time now I've considered intra island club cricket redundant, obsolete. It is useless and complete waste of time, the standard is so low and shoddy, the grounds and pitches piss poor, it can help a pro cricketer in no way shape or form.
And the PCL should now make it completely unnecessary and irrelevant.
Certainly it is of greater benefit for WI cricket that Samuels turn out for Jamaica than he turn out for Melbourne.
Nothing more than some Melbourne top brass feeling like a spurned lover, and upset that Marlon thinks that he is now bigger than Melborne, guess what, he is.
These matches dont count for anything, its not FC cricket, what matter of rubbish is this, could this happen in England for example, would they say Joe Root cant play for Yorkshire because he didnt play for...his Granny's Sunday league team, whats the equivalent for that level of cricket below FC cricket in England? Is there one? In any other Test playing nation?
Halliwell
Nov 10, 2014, 5:11:07 AM
No statement from fanatick yet ?
camos
Nov 10, 2014, 5:14:38 AM
In reply to DIEHARD
and from his performance so far he obviously was in training so these petty guys need to rethink!
Walco
Nov 10, 2014, 5:31:40 AM
Word on the street is that Kieran Powell was not the only West Indies player who received death threats. Maybe Marlon elected to be safe rather than sorry.
Commie
Nov 10, 2014, 5:32:17 AM
In reply to Walco
WHy did Powell receive death threats ?
DIEHARD
Nov 10, 2014, 5:38:59 AM
In reply to camos
Myopic skunts!!! Sick of them, Every day I log on here there's news of more chaotic administrative bungling!!!
More action in the cricket offices than on the pitch!! And its not good action!!
Their performance is a million times worse than any 46, 49 or 51 all out!!!
Walco
Nov 10, 2014, 5:42:14 AM
In reply to Commie
I have no clue. Some thought it was just a joke, but he took it seriously. He refused to file a formal report with team management.
jacksprat
Nov 10, 2014, 5:57:46 AM
I see 2 of the 5 Jamaica selectors- Wavell Hinds & Wayne Lewis-are also WIPA executive members. Coincidence?
To whom would Samuels appeal?
hubert
Nov 10, 2014, 6:01:40 AM
In reply to jacksprat
BCCI
Commie
Nov 10, 2014, 6:02:26 AM
In reply to jacksprat
What a bizarre situation.
Why dont they just resign ?
Commie
Nov 10, 2014, 6:02:42 AM
In reply to Walco
That stuff is worrying.
dayne
Nov 10, 2014, 6:04:42 AM
WI's cricket has been a soup opera for a long while now, the amazing thing is no script writer could come up with better twists and turns in this continuing drama.
WestDem
Nov 10, 2014, 6:06:21 AM
In reply to jacksprat
To whom would Samuels appeal?
He really can use some assistance from Dwayne Bravo?
ayub
Nov 10, 2014, 6:17:30 AM
one of the dots shoumd pick samuels .
Walco
Nov 10, 2014, 6:17:41 AM
In reply to Commie
I agree.
Dukes
Nov 10, 2014, 6:27:35 AM
In reply to Commie
What a bizarre situation.
Why dont they just resign ?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE CARIBBEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stilbatn
Nov 10, 2014, 7:04:04 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Hahahaha
you are having fun Larr
archangel
Nov 10, 2014, 8:32:41 AM
In reply to DIEHARD
Nothing more than some Melbourne top brass feeling like a spurned lover, and upset that Marlon thinks that he is now bigger than Melborne, guess what, he is.
I think you summed it up well there.
Samuels full of ego but those Melbourne people putting him to shame.
nissan
Nov 10, 2014, 8:36:50 AM
buds
Nov 10, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
In reply to billydred
Forget that--
They think because he gets selected for WI duties he automatically must get selected to play for JA--How stupid and illogical==
The JCA have rules? On one hand they cuss the WICB; on the other they give them praises of the highest order--
JamMack
Nov 10, 2014, 4:40:41 PM
So which team is he qualified to play for?
methodic
Nov 10, 2014, 5:24:02 PM
In reply to Dukes
The problem is much much bigger than that.
The way I see it the problem in the Caribbean is there are very few people who can handle power comfortably.The vast majority of people who acquire power generally allow their ego to rule them and usually end up using their power to destroy rather than to build up and improve others.
correct they can't handle power and they also can't handle the management of big money
methodic
Nov 10, 2014, 5:25:17 PM
Talk up Samuels, talk up! The people need to know the facts
jacksprat
Nov 10, 2014, 5:43:25 PM
In reply to Commie
What a bizarre situation. Why dont they just resign ?
Even more bizarre, 4 of the 5 selectors-
Wavell Hinds, Wayne Lewis,
Robert Haynes &
Cleveland Davidson- have connections to Kensington Cricket Club.
Coincidence?
What role, if any, did this play in Samuels being ruled ineligible for selection to the Jamaican
franchise team?
Again, with Samuels' known disdain for WIPA, to whom would he appeal if he felt hard done by the JA
franchise selection panel which has among its members the WIPA President/CEO and WIPA Secretary?
Were the selectors guided more by animus-given his alleged 'dissing' of WIPA president and their club mate Wavell Hinds-rather than by the rules and principle?
Could they possibly be trying to disguise an unstated vendetta against Samuels by claiming to slavishly adhere to the "letter of the law", as prescribed by the JCA?
Hmmn!
anandgb
Nov 10, 2014, 5:58:19 PM
In reply to jacksprat
Interesting thoughts there
JamMack
Nov 11, 2014, 1:53:36 AM
In reply to jacksprat
You hit the nail on the head.
Larr Pullo
Nov 11, 2014, 1:58:40 AM
there are no conflicts of interest. just follow the rules and all will be well.
unitsypher
Nov 11, 2014, 2:15:30 AM
this is all nonsense!! but cant say I am surprised.
Joshua
Nov 11, 2014, 2:30:02 AM
the jca has a email list for club officials and players of which marlon samuels is on that list. multiple emails were sent by mr francis the ceo throughout the year advising of the selection policy and reminding adherence.
camos
Nov 11, 2014, 2:36:13 AM
In reply to Joshua
is email legal notification, do you have proof of receipt?
Commie
Nov 11, 2014, 2:39:16 AM
In reply to Joshua
So everyone is adhering to due process now ?
CricSham
Nov 11, 2014, 3:46:28 AM
In reply to jacksprat
Could they possibly be trying to disguise an unstated vendetta against Samuels by claiming to slavishly adhere to the "letter of the law", as prescribed by the JCA?
pause for reflection
Pacy
Nov 11, 2014, 4:32:52 AM
In reply to Joshua
If Sammuels has to take this case up who in WIPA will take his complaint?