IN a sign of just how diabolical the lack of discipline is in this West Indies outfit, Jason Holder’s fast bowlers told their captain they didn’t want to operate from one end of the ground on day one in Hobart.

Kemar Roach and Jerome Taylor had no interest in running up the hill into the breeze from the Derwent River southern end in Thursday’s final session and let their skipper know.

It meant Holder was forced to let the game drift with spinners at a time when the new ball could have been taken and Australian pair Adam Voges and Shaun Marsh were cruising towards the sixth highest partnership in Test history.

Is it any wonder Holder had a DRS brain explosion on Friday, choosing not to review a poor lbw decision when replays showed the ball clearly going over the stumps?

Holder is a 24-year-old captain with zero support.

 

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In reply to doosra

Two of the Three Wise Men...

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Some serious allegations there....

1) 'Kemar Roach and Jerome Taylor had no interest in running up the hill into the breeze from the Derwent River southern end in Thursday’s final session and let their skipper know...“I spoke to him last night and he said none of the quicks wanted to bowl from that southern end,” Tom Moody said on Fox Sports.'

2) "On Friday, another veteran Marlon Samuels refused to walk in with the bowler, standing with hands in pockets in the field until Australia finally declared."

3) "Holder’s decision not to review a Peter Siddle ball that hit him above the knee roll yesterday was ridiculous when you consider he’s a giant of a man at 2.01 metres and the score was 5-116 with he the last recognised batsman in the line-up chasing 583. Darren Bravo’s feedback from the other end over Siddle’s delivery didn’t help, and it would be easy to see why Holder simply walked off feeling like a lone soldier deserted by his mates."

Sounds like Holder has lost the dressing room....

In reply to mikesiva

This is very disheartening, if it is true.

a team with the captain and VC being fringe inexperienced players is likely to experience some resentment.

In reply to camos

who in this team is not "fringe" and by that i don't mean played plenty...performance and consistency

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I'm finding to hard to believe this is true for no other reason than the staggering indiscipline of it.

But if this is true, neither Roach nor Taylor should play a game for the West Indies from here on and, come to think of it, for their countries either.

In reply to Verstehen

And they ent get sent home yet?!

Gopaul and Seepaul all over again

Phil isn't the disciplinarian he's made out to be

In reply to Halliwell

Firstly, if this is true - then difficult for Simmons to send them home mid-match.

Secondly, Holder needs to show that HE IS the captain. May be he asked them where they wanted to bowl from and they gave their preference.

If he TOLD them or WANTED them to bowl in to the wind and they didn't, then he needs to show them who is the captain and either drop them for the next game and to be honest - under bowl them in the second innings.

But I am hoping this is a bit of over stating the facts and it was a simple case of Holder asking them their preference - which fast bowler wouldn't say they preferred to bowl with the wind.

preferring to not bowl into the wind is very different from refusing to bowl into the wind.
headline overdramatic much?

In reply to VIX

Boy these commies having a ball at our demise.

Its good stuff to report on and talk about..WI cricket is a car crash...

If this is true....this is Holder's chance to show who is in charge of the team and drop them from the squad not only fuh de next game but the rest of the series....He should call a meeting and tell dem two PD's dat they will take no further part in de series due to insubordination...bet yuh de rest of the players will start towing de line....

In reply to camos

Bullcrap, they should support the lad and help him along.

In reply to WestDem

....Doesn't have authority to do that.

To all of you:

It is true Taylor and Roach was horrible. But the story from Fox "News" is not right.


Come on guys, consider the source.

If the report is true then Holder is not ready for captaincy.

In reply to doosra

even the coach and management

In reply to camos

That is a stupid comment even from you

In reply to Halliwell

Typical "Rumshop" comment.

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

get rid off those two pricks

If Taylor & Roach don't want to do something like bowl from a particular end then both or at least one of them should be dropped.

J

Cricinfo

We all say players should do what is best for "team"...don't?

We talking about two "brittle" players...

One with a long run-up, the other with lacking pace...

One has to bowl uphill/upwind at a disadvantage while getting whupped...

If I were either, I wouldn't raise my hand to bowl from that end...

That said, did either refuse to bowl downwind/downhill after lunch...on first day with a chance to make-up for earlier whupping...when ball was still hard, 24 overs old?

If report is true, I don't think Taylor and Roach give a damn right now...

People saying this and that...

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Sums up why I refused my sons...only wanted daughters.

This would be an amazing story if it did happen, both Taylor and Roach seem to be good team players.

[b]In reply to doosra[b]
I don't support the disrespect but no one with three tests matches should be appointed captain.
Holder is tentative and defensive - he changes the field after nearly every ball not over.
WICB continually creates its own mess

That said - be careful with Murdoch's trash stations - those racists divide and rule very well.

I recall Wes hall relating that playing for Trindad the skipper Joey Carew made him bowl uphill into the wind at Bourda for two hours then gave Charlie Davis the new ball.

That was skipper. I once played a friendly game with Joey as captain. Scary experience. He grew up under the martinet jeff stollmeyer.

If you don't want to bowl into the wind son why not go and rest in the pavilion.?

In reply to doublecentury
I will bet you it did not happen the way Moody is reporting it.

Half truths are always more dangerous than a lie.

Let's wait for the true story because it will come out eventually.

In reply to Chrissy

Your BEST post ever!

In reply to mikesiva

he never had it.

When you are choosen outside the dressing room by people who will never be in it, its waht happens.

Had Holder been an established cricketer it might have been different. Our Nilly willey selection process and cricket management in general, is a big source of the debacle we face.

I don't believe this report

Why don't they blame it on Cameron?

Some of these lads are just dying to get a PCL contract!

They are not hungry to play for the West Indies!

If I were the coach and the allegation proved true, both men would be sent home.

Holder also needs to stamp his authority on the game as the leader!

I trust that the report is not true.

Let us lose in dignity, not with the type of purported behavior of the players in question

If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!

Holder should not be the captain of the Windies team,if they didn't want Ramdin,it should have been Marlon Samuels.The players are telling the selectors something.

In reply to granite

Marlan Samuels!That about sums it andvyou up!

In reply to Verstehen

Could not agree with you more ------having said that – I do think there had to be some resentment for the neophyte Holder to be thrust down the throats of some veterans players the way it was done – you don’t have to be a college type to be WI cricket captain.

West Indies was way behind on the over rate that is why the did not take the new ball they still finished 1 over short. Managing the pace of play is a big problem for Holder. So this was about fines for slow over rate.

In reply to XDFIX

Are you joking – stamp what authority – what has he achieved to command respect?.....he didn’t earn the job - the job was given to him…………honestly – if he was that smart he would have turned the position down – but I am not blaming Holder, who seem like a genuinely good and intelligent person…….the blame is on Clive Lloyd and the others who made the decision – Holder is no Graeme Smith – as the current situation has clearly demonstrated – It may not be a bad strategy for Holder to feign some type of injury, at least for the next match, but better for the remainder of the tour –
Unless this issue can be reconciled in a day or two = the next match may not last 2 days.

Holder has more of the same credentials as Sammy to captain the test team , which amounts to none . Is he more talented we are not sure at this point , no defined separation maybe. Though Sammy developed some bowling in helpful wickets and maybe on on the better slip fields men , but these are not specialist roles .

Different team with proper management maybe . G. Smith was Captain of South Africa at 22 years after 8 tests and 22 ODI's with a string of record and super performances.

if this report proves truthful, I would be very disappointed

In reply to birdseye

Who are these veterans of which you speak and what has been their contribution?

They should have given the Captaincy to "Lil " Bravo.

Compare and contrast two Jamaicans viewing the exact situation.

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I am waging a bet that Jockitch would say birdseye is right or boat a dem right.

OK, OK...Courtesy get to the point.

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The BIG LESSON: Don't fact with de Courtesy, he will leave you properly facted.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Taylor, Roach, Ramdin, Bravo, Samuels, to name a few – how would you react if you had a boss who bring in someone with 15 days experience , which is the equivalent of 3 five days test matches – to tell you how to do what you have been doing for several years? If it had worked – I would be the first to say GENIUS MOVE ......but it has failed…..so blame has to be placed

Holder has rubbished claims that his fastbowlers refused to bowl on Instagram.

"Be careful what you read. It was a tough game my bowlers gave effort every time they were called on"

Way to go CC.COM. unverified story as your Headline

In reply to Chrissy

We should of just looked at who it came from and taken it very lightly
And just as we thought
Holder says nothing t'all go so

Well, Holder should have given one of them the end that he was bowling from, instead, and let the spin continue into the wind. He continue to bowl with the wind and the spinner in the wind

In reply to Courtesy

War!!

In reply to WICFan

The problem is that Taylor looks like the only bowler capable of taking wickets in this team....