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HEADLINE: 20 years of 'dumb' cricket
CaribbeanCricket.com
Jan 12, 2016, 4:11:13 AM
While the sexual harassment/gender aspects of the Chris Gayle controversy are being ventilated, it may be appropriate to consider the purely cricketing aspect of his behaviour. It says more about why we are near the bottom of the pile than we might care to admit.
Gayle has been an international cricketer for almost 20 years, travelling the world, sampling many different cultures. Yet it is clear that he genuinely did not know that his response to that female reporter was inappropriate! In considering the cricketing aspect of this interview, it would be instructive to connect it with an earlier interview in 2009 which readers may think, at first blush, has no connection. I assert that the two interviews are directly connected.
Michael Holding observed after yet another World cup failure last year that West Indies did not play "intelligent" cricket. Holding works in television where views tend to be understated. I have no such reservation. We not only played "dumb" cricket then, but have been doing so for 20 years. That's why we are where we are today. Nothing to do with the WICB governance structure, lack of money, attraction of other sports... and all the usual absurd excuses trotted out after each failed tour. Just plain "dumb" cricket, employing only those parts of the body from the shoulders down.
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Larr Pullo
Jan 12, 2016, 4:14:43 AM
tc1
Jan 12, 2016, 4:20:29 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Man Down
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 4:22:27 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Look for JOCEM to rendition Townsend now.
btw JOCEM is Jamaica Overseas Cultural Enforcement Movement.
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 4:30:35 AM
to be fair, that last 15 years has produced a lot of WI cricketers -not only Gayle -who were simply not students of the game- from all across the region.
Cheeks
Jan 12, 2016, 4:39:39 AM
In reply to sudden
to be fair, that last 15 years has produced a lot of WI cricketers -not only Gayle -who were simply not students of the game- from all across the region.
When the coach said that CHG was not a student of the game, JOCEM said he's a backstabber..and dat he hugly.
I can't think of a single profession where feedback on performance and assessment of ability/ capacity (good and/ or bad) is frowned upon.
camos
Jan 12, 2016, 4:45:44 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
One can safely extrapolate that since the captain didn't know anything about the new bowler he was facing the next day, neither the coach, manager, vice captain, or anyone else had raised Bollinger's name at any team meeting.
[b]No other international team, in any sport, operates this way. Only the horses at the race track occasionally run with blinkers.
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that is BS, most teams are guilty of that, not only WI , that's one of the reasons new WI batsmen tend to find initial success and then struggle after.
Larr Pullo
Jan 12, 2016, 4:58:12 AM
In reply to camos
that is BS, most teams are guilty of that, not only WI , that's one of the reasons new WI batsmen tend to find initial success and then struggle after.
Jamaica is still struggling with literacy....obviously....
camos
Jan 12, 2016, 5:02:56 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
with all you literacy prowess you ended up at Howard?
Larr Pullo
Jan 12, 2016, 5:05:00 AM
positiveg
Jan 12, 2016, 5:14:12 AM
In reply to Larr Pullo
Howard is a fine institution!!! Probably all the finer because I did not go there....
Lol lol
Man one thing is that no matter how shotty of a day I can be having i can always come here for a good laugh.
So back to the lecture at hand. The writer of the piece hold no punches.
sudden
Jan 12, 2016, 5:33:17 AM
In reply to Cheeks
it is according to who is being accessed and who is doing the assessment. Gayle v. coach. coach offended Gayle by saying that he is not a student of the game. coach did not say this to Gayle's face but said it in a report to an administrator who showed it to Gayle. before coach could discuss it with Gayle. Gayle gets angry, goes on a rage. who is right? Player v coach? ah who dem ah cum fee see?
Ninetenjack
Jan 12, 2016, 6:01:17 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Michael Holding observed after yet another World cup failure last year that West Indies did not play "intelligent" cricket. Holding works in television where views tend to be understated. I have no such reservation.
Come on Errol I seemed to remember Holding saying on more than one occassion that we played brainless cricket....

, give the man credit where credit is due.
positiveg
Jan 12, 2016, 6:07:08 AM
In reply to Ninetenjack
True, he says it alot.
I've heard Bish even saying it
I guess more and more of these guys growing balls
Well is only so much ppl can take before they get fed up
Now everyone getting fed up with the poor on and off field antics of the players
It's funny though that some ppl will defend a player to the death even if they realise that player is wrong.
G
Cheeks
Jan 12, 2016, 6:31:55 AM
In reply to sudden
it is according to who is being accessed and who is doing the assessment. Gayle v. coach. coach offended Gayle by saying that he is not a student of the game. coach did not say this to Gayle's face but said it in a report to an administrator who showed it to Gayle. before coach could discuss it with Gayle. Gayle gets angry, goes on a rage. who is right? Player v coach? ah who dem ah cum fee see?
The biggest skunt in the above episode is the admin who leaked it. At least give the coach an opportunity to discuss with the man before you revealing all. Highly unprofessional. That is how trust is lost in organizations.
Arawak
Jan 12, 2016, 6:48:16 AM
In reply to sudden
to be fair, that last 15 years has produced a lot of WI cricketers -not only Gayle -who were simply not students of the game- from all across the region
You have missed the point.
black
Jan 12, 2016, 6:52:13 AM
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Gayle has been an international cricketer for almost 20 years, travelling the world, sampling many different cultures.
That's not the only thing he was sampling.
Commie
Jan 12, 2016, 6:55:52 AM
In reply to sudden
JOCEM...lol
FanAttick
Jan 12, 2016, 7:22:42 AM
20 Years of Dumb Cricket
1. One of only two West Indians with two scores of 300 or more in test cricket
2. Only West Indian cricketer with a Test Match Triple Century, a ODI Double and a T20I century
3. Highest ODI individual score on Australian soil
4. Only West Indian captain to win a test match on South African soil
5. Last West Indian captain to win an ODI series in England
6. Last West Indian captain to win a test series at home against higher ranked opposition (England)
7. Highest individual test score against South Africa
8. Only West Indian cricketer to score a triple century away from home
9. Most sixes by a West Indian batsman in all three formats
10. Highest individual score in T20 cricket (175)
Not bad for a Dumb cricketer...
jacksprat
Jan 12, 2016, 7:26:21 AM
In reply to FanAttick
An Addendum:
MAN OF THE SERIES for said 2009 Australia tour, even while playing "dumb cricket"!!!
FanAttick
Jan 12, 2016, 7:27:25 AM
In reply to jacksprat
Preach it bro
TOWNSEND can throw the baby out with the bath water
summergon
Jan 12, 2016, 7:48:05 AM
I wouldn't take this article too seriously. Townsend is one of the destroyer of Canadian cricket as a poor Administrator.
Stilbatn
Jan 12, 2016, 10:16:26 AM
JahJah
Jan 12, 2016, 10:33:26 AM
rhatid
Jan 12, 2016, 12:03:19 PM
In reply to FanAttick
Hey, why do you think Gayle is so inconsistent? If you go yamming at every ball, you will get lucky sometimes. This guy thinks the world revolves around him. He thinks he is too big for West Indies cricket.
This article hits the nail right on the head. Except for a few of them, this bunch of mini-talent, self absorbed, greedy guys who play for the West Indies are the dumbest bunch of "cricketers" currently in the game. It's embarrassing having them representing the West Indies.
sandisha
Jan 12, 2016, 1:09:25 PM
[b]In reply to FanAttick[/b
Facts are very stubborn. Another fact you forgot to mention is, Cris Gayle is the only batsman to hit the first ball of a test match for six.
Instead of trying to blame Gayle for the failure of West Indies cricket, we need to go back to the last test series against Australia, where in three test matches Australia scored a combined total of 1,489 runs, for 9 wickets. In other words, if we were to take these scores to a single inning, they would have scored 1,489 / 9 We were not even able to bowl them out in one inning. In contrast West Indies scored 1,254 / 50 wickets.
Fivestar
Jan 12, 2016, 2:06:25 PM
....this bunch of mini-talent, self absorbed, greedy guys who play for the West Indies are the dumbest bunch of "cricketers" currently in the game. It's embarrassing having them representing the West Indies.
What are the 'intelligent' administrators doing to ensure these 'dumb' cricketers do not continue to embarass West Indians.
Cleg
Jan 12, 2016, 3:24:48 PM
In reply to rhatid
Geezer when they circumcised you stupid raas
...they threw the wrong part away!
rhatid
Jan 13, 2016, 11:26:47 AM
In reply to Cleg
Express yourself the only way you know, you ignorant, illiterate ass. You must be that part they threw away coming back from where they dumped you to haunt me.
POINT
Jan 14, 2016, 1:59:26 PM
I would like to remind the Author of this Article , that he is indulging
in a Charade , and One needs to question his veracity .
First let me quote a very well known
axiom that most Caribbean People know:
"FISH NEVER ROTS FROM THE TAIL UP BUT
FROM THE HEAD DOWN ".
That being the case We must deal with
the Head . Because if the head is rotten , the tail will also rot .
Let me present these facts which absolutely NO ONE can dispute . The
current Structure of the WICBC has been in place for roughly 89 years , unchanged . To be precise since 1927 . Not 89 days ; 89 Weeks ; 89 Months
89 YEARS .
During those 89 years , the WICBC
commissioned several Reports , and bluntly refused to change the Structure . I have concluded that
the reason why they refuse to do that
is that they are fearful that that the power they presently command will be diluted ; and that must never ever
happen.
Let me state some facts that can never ever be disputed , by the Author or anyone .
1. When England limited the number of
Players from playing Cricket in England it had a severe impact on
Cricket in the Region , because there was not a Pro or Semi Pro League in
the Region , Obviously it in the Region there was a Pro or Semi Pro League in the Region .
When England decided to limit Overseas Players from playing in England ,in the mid 1980's there was
not an institution in the Region , where youngsters had an opportunity
to learn & know what exactly is entailed in being a Professional Cricketer .
The fact is that when England limited the number of Players going to England to Play Cricket , Our Players & Team were the best in the World .
Now if the people in the governance of Cricket in the Region were really
interested in making our Players fully competitive , in the International Cricket Arena , they would have had the Foresight ; Vision
& Wisdom to realize that over time
the standard of Cricket & the competitiveness of Our Players will wane .
They would have realized that the best course of action would be to form a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League in the Region , had they done this Players in the Region would today know what is entailed in being a Professional Cricketer .
Now this can never be placed on the
Players , therefore the Author has written a load of Gibberish , and that is putting it mildly . BTW , it
was only 3 years ago the WICBC decided to form a Pro League .
To Be Continued .
POINT
Jan 14, 2016, 2:46:44 PM
Continuation .
If in the mid 1980's the WICBC had decided to form a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League , it would have been easy to get Financial Sponsors , Our Players &
Team were the best in the World . Sponsors love Winners , and associating
with Winners .
The fact is that the People in the WICBC sat on their ASSES AND DID NOTHING . These were the People running Cricket in the Region . The Players did not have a say in this matter , yet the author of this article will probably blame the Players for this Colossal missed Opportunity .
Now that missed opportunity by the WICBC was compounded , when the Tour
Schedule
was changed . Prior to the change Touring Players played many matches prior to the Test Matches &
also between the Test Matches .
This meant that their skills of Touring Players were sharply honed in every facet of the game . But just as important , or perhaps more important , is the fact that they got acclimatized to both the Weather & the condition of the Pitches .
After the change of the Tour Schedule
Our Players , who had none of the benefits of playing a lot of matches
and ample time to get acclimatized
to both the Climate & Pitches , and in addition had no Pro or Semi Pro League in the Region were at a distinct disadvantage as compared to those Players who played prior to the limiting of Players by England ; and the many matches before & between the Test Matches .
These Facts are lost on the Author of this Nonsense . Another fact is this :
OUR CURRENT PLAYERS ARE PLAYING LESS
CRICKET THAN THEIR COUNTERPARTS ON
TEAMS RANKED ABOVE OUR TEAM & THAT
INCLUDES BANGLADESH .
This aint a trifling matter , because
it is by playing a lot of Cricket that Players get to improve their Concentration ; Stamina - Mental &
Physical ; the ability to concentrate for long periods ; the ability to build an Innings ; the ability to forge Fruitful Partnerships etc .
The gist of what I have stated is that those in the governance of Cricket in the Region have not done what needs to be done to inculcate in current Players what they need to do to be successful
in the International Cricket Arena .
I do not hold a brief for the Players
but the fact is that those in the Administration of Cricket bears a
greater responsibility for the current PISS POOR State of Cricket in the Region . Than the Players , so the Author of this article is the Dumbest of all .
POINT
Jan 14, 2016, 4:43:20 PM
I am awaiting a response from the Author of this Post and / or Others
who believe what the author has stated .
When people indulge in writing Stupidness they must always be challenged ; because Truth aint on their Side . They need to realize
that other people sit down and analyze
How WE got to where WE currently are
regarding Cricket in the Region .
History informs us about the mistakes
that were made in the Past , that must be corrected if WE want to be
successful in the Future .
For 89 freaking years the The people in the WICB foisted on us an archaic
structual System . When the Mimic Men inherited the Entity they relished
this tired archaic Structure, because of their Lust FOR POWER .
They were so engrossed in their Power
they failed to understand that :
CRICKET IS A VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS
THAT DEMANDS THAT THE BUSINESS OF
CRICKET MUST BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY .
Lost on the author of this Nonsense
is the fact that the WICBC is the
Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth . Its Stupidity , lack of Business Acumen ; Arrogance &
Incompetence is well known throughout
the Cricket World .
Imagine , rather that making a serious attempt to salvage the Tour to India , in their colossal Arrogance ; they pulled the plug on the Tour , leaving their Host the BCCI with a mountain of Debt .
Imagine prior to the 2007 World Championships , These BUMS asked the
Regional Governments to use TAXPAYERS
MONEY to build New Stadia ; Refurbish
existing Stadia ; and Spruce up Grounds . The Regional Governments did ALL that was requested of them .
The Tournament was a success especially from a Financial perspective .
A sometime ago , The Regional Governments asked the BUMS to implement the recommendations of the Patterson Report . The Bums bluntly
refused , and instead commissioned
another Report , which they Rejected .Perhaps because they love the 89 year old Structure .
But the author of this piece of Garbage has conveniently forgotten all this . His focus is on the Players . One thing I know for sure
What I have stated aint a figment of my Imagination .
POINT
Jan 15, 2016, 4:27:31 AM
I am still waiting to get a rebuttal from the Author or anyone who believes what he has stated .
The real Heading of this Post should have been :
20 YEARS OF DUMB CRICKET BY THE WICBC
ADMINISTRATION .
The failures of those in the governance
of Cricket in the Region far outweigh
the performances of our Players whose performances ; depend on the Stewardship of those in the governance of Cricket in the Region .
Let me again repeat an axiom :
FISH NEVER ROTS FROM THE TAIL
IT ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD DOWN .