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Who is accountable for poor U19 showing?

 
Banner 2018-01-21 05:20:26 

From world champions to laughing stock and poor sportsmanship.

Who tekkin’ the blame?

 
Halliwell 2018-01-21 05:23:11 

In reply to Banner

Not Dave
He only taking the credit for the 4 WCs

 
natty_forever 2018-01-21 06:16:21 

The coaching staff.

 
buds 2018-01-21 06:49:01 

In reply to Banner

So we should win again? Ever year its a new set of guys. I thoughy Yardam was the big bat?

 
Real-cricket 2018-01-21 06:50:55 

We fail to realise that fast bowling is our strength. We have to start producing express pace bowlers.

We were dominant last time around cause the opposition feared Alzharri and chemar. We had good back up options too!

Who are our fast bowlers this time around?

 
hawk 2018-01-21 06:53:00 

In reply to Banner

how about the players taking the blame, they are the ones on the field of play, IMHO this team was well prepared, they played super50, had tours and a good build up, it was selected early enough also, they just didn't perform as expected, they should finish the world cup in 9th position

 
XDFIX 2018-01-21 07:58:59 

In reply to hawk

IMHO this team was well prepared, they played super50, had tours and a good build up, it was selected early enough also, they just didn't perform as expected, they shouldn't finish the world cup in 9th position


I agree 100%! When will players begin to take responsibility for their poor performance!

 
dayne 2018-01-21 08:42:51 

In reply to Banner

The cricket environment in the WI is responsible for the U19 poor performance, some of the players seem to have flaws that could be easy to fix, one have to wonder what is the coaching staff doing.

 
buds 2018-01-21 09:13:39 

In reply to dayne

Was that the case when they won? Every year we have new set of players..We performed poorly no doubt but, to suggest that the environment was responsible for their dismal performance is a stretch..

 
natty_forever 2018-01-21 09:54:34 

Well prepared is relative.

 
camos 2018-01-21 10:27:35 

In reply to hawk

how about the players taking the blame, they are the ones on the field of play, IMHO this team was well prepared, they played super50, had tours and a good build up, it was selected early enough also, they just didn't perform as expected, they should finish the world cup in 9th position



third world management theory! there was wide spread failure not individual,wrong captain,bowlers , batting lineup etc , management failed.

 
XDFIX 2018-01-21 10:27:39 

In reply to natty_forever

Better prepared than the trophy winners!

 
Pacy 2018-01-21 10:37:40 

In reply to Real-cricket

Not just quick bowling. Just like our senior debutants this time the players did not look to belong at that level.

None of the quicks or spinners could bowl with any consistency. But I was surprised to see at least couple or more Bowlers from India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa who could bowl at pace and consistency.

Same with the batsmen. Athnaze and Kalicharan were the most fluent of our bats but they still were lagging behind when compared to the batsmen of the above said teams.

Just shows we might have to wait for years before these players can even match their peers. Shows that we lag behind by years compared to our peers.

 
CITYBOY 2018-01-21 10:42:00 

Hola......the poor showing of those selected reflects their inability to perform when it really matters....it does not necessarily mean that they do not have abilty...its just that they CANNOT produce when it matters...
Its obvious the selectors would know this when selecting the team...ONLY IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE YOUTH"S career.....
it is important to go back to the drawing board and have TRIALS as in the good old days...
I blame the SEeectors on this poor performance...CWI has everything in place to allow youths to come through the system....but somehow the selectors picking CRAP...Selectors need to be at the grounds...not in boardrooms and reading statistics.
Adios
CB

 
Narper 2018-01-21 10:53:43 

This is NOT the same world cup team...only two or three players are still there...remember this is U 19 cricket

This team is not as good as the other top teams....I would not put it down as poor showing.

It is as simple as that

 
analyst-kid 2018-01-21 11:01:50 

It also emphasises how much of a champion team with champion players were Hetmyer,Paul,Alzarri, Chemar, Carty and Springer although poor Springer cant get a play in the Pride team.

 
Banner 2018-01-21 11:28:59 

Pitches at home... how often do any teams we produce play on bouncy seaming wickets?

The pitches home are a serious reason why we struggle on anything that moves from straight. What are the board doing to address this?

 
dayne 2018-01-21 11:50:21 

In reply to buds

WI cricket was on the decline when they won, the same year the U19 team won, the senior men's team won the 20/20 championship, the women team won their championship, since then all WI teams have fallen off the cliff, they all are in the basement of the world rankings of the original cricket nations. Tell me what is the common factor?

 
hawk 2018-01-21 11:55:42 

the players failed...plain and simple some of you can point fingers where ever you choose, sing all your coulda woulda shouldas. but in reality the coach cannot win a game for you, ask Sri Lanka, who Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are taking to the cleaners.

we have to teach our players to take responsibility for their game and play.

but i see a solution, perhaps a second XI competition to our PCL, sometime in the future will keep these guys active in build up to such world cup

 
Maispwi 2018-01-21 12:10:41 

In reply to XDFIX

Oh how quickly we forget dat de trophy winners were a mankad away from suffering the same fate as the current team. And at de hands of Zimbabwe at that

 
mkcharles 2018-01-21 23:01:17 

In reply to Real-cricket

We need to prepare hard wickets and encourage fast bowling...it is a message that everyone has to preach until someone realises this is the only way back to the top for us.

The other issue is team selection. I have followed youth cricket long enough to understand that teams gets pick solely based on statistics without realising that the teams are of varying strengths and so statistics can be very misleading as some players do not always get an opportunity to showcase talent.

Today at Kensington a bowling attack of Holder, Drakes and Harding ages 19 and 20 and 21 bowled out Jamaica in senior FC class cricket. This trio was part of a Barbados U19 bowling attack in 2015 but yet none were considered as serious contenders for a WC 2016 pick though they would have been easily the quickest attack in the tournament. You will recall that Holder was called up as a replacement at the WC.

So yes, there are faster bowlers than the ones on show in New Zealand and here in Barbados I can easily nominate at least three that readily come to mind. I'm sure that others exist but we have to have an overall development plan that everyones buys into.

I don't care how many wickets the slow bowlers take, unless you are a very special slow bowler you will not make any impression at the highest level. Pace will most likely win more matches, even those with variable quality.

 
analyst-kid 2018-01-21 23:36:40 

You will recall that Holder was called up as a replacement at the WC.


I also recall that is when Holder came in to partner the lone speedster Alzarri Joseph that the WI U19 bowling attack started to shape up as a serious force to the point that they intimidated the rest of teams in that WC 2016.

Now India the losing finalists in 2016 has returned to the U19 tournament with some young express pace bowlers.

 
hawk 2018-01-22 06:38:31 

In reply to mkcharles


I don't care how many wickets the slow bowlers take, unless you are a very special slow bowler you will not make any impression at the highest level. Pace will most likely win more matches, even those with variable quality.


i have been saying this as well, no one is scared of spin bowling and even if you are a mystery/special only a matter of time before you get figured out, let's get back to pace bowling fast and furious

 
hawk 2018-01-22 06:40:04 

In reply to analyst-kid

I also recall that is when Holder came in to partner the lone speedster Alzarri Joseph that the WI U19 bowling attack started to shape up as a serious force to the point that they intimidated the rest of teams in that WC 2016.


very true, Holder's arrival transformed the attack, two quality fast men in tandem means no respite for the batsmen

 
natty_forever 2018-01-22 08:12:26 

In reply to XDFIX... where is the proof?

 
mkcharles 2018-01-22 09:09:23 

In reply to natty_forever

four 3-week camps since WC2016, participation in the Super50 in 2017 and tours to South Africa and Zimbabwe involving the nucleus of these players for a starter...the thing is after the tour in July 2017 they jettisoned three or four of those players. With the exception of young Melius none of the replacement players made any type of impression.

 
Bestian 2018-01-22 10:02:18 

The dropping of Shian Brathwaite and Joshua Bishop came back to haunt them

 
natty_forever 2018-01-22 10:08:44 

In reply to mkcharles... so selection is again an issue?

 
mkcharles 2018-01-22 17:16:06 

In reply to natty_forever

In order to pick youth teams you have to have a close look at players...pure stats don’t tell the story because the programs are not the same. A player in one setup will naturally have more opportunities than another more talented in another. That’s always been the case.

So to answer your question, yes, selection is always the problem. BIM has two representatives in this team and there are in no way the two best U19 players in the country even though both are talented.

 
natty_forever 2018-01-23 13:30:35 

In reply to mkcharles... same ol' same ol'. Selectors Wanted!