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Couldn't we just have CCC, Windies, Windies A, and maybe ZIM/BAN/AFG A team?

Can't see how those invites helping us, too weak.

In reply to osrlive

Dave organise for a kickback for somebody somehwere..sure of it..Hampshire sponsored by Barbados..somebody at BCA who backs Dave got something out of it..so did Dave..sure of it.

Follow the money...its never about cricket with this lot.

In reply to osrlive

in the case of USA team, it's us who are helping them. as for the county teams, dem man jus here for a lil vacation and will play likkle cricket in the meantime

In reply to DIEHARD

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Dubai and Abu Dhabi staged the matches in 2017.

In reply to openning
what that has to do with them participating in this tournament which is a month before that plan?

In reply to camos

In reply to openning

ok!

In reply to osrlive

For years now many of us have been pointing this out.

Like others suggested, a WI under 19 team instead of the CCC. Other options could include, a sub continental team- perhaps the Ranji Trophy or Pakistan A team- both these teams possess strong spinners so it will help our lads to develop.

As of now, we have no explanation from the WICBC as to why the USA was included- heck it is not even a USA national team but a team made up of old retired cricketers from the WI and the sub c.

Did the ICC provide funding us to host them?

If the idea is to develop our own cricket, then we needs to invite Indian, Pakistani and Australian, Saffies teams

In reply to osrlive

I have pondered that Question myself , especially when I see the total Disarray & Disaster that has befallen
West Indies Cricket .

It seems that WE relish helping Other Countries Players ; while paying scant attention to the State of Cricket in the Region . Oh what a wicked Web
WE WEAVE .

In reply to Emir.. I would rather a West Indies U23 (Academy Squad) team.

One benefit, more matches.

Lord, does *anybody* on this board understand that Windies has an arrangement to help improve cricket in the Americas region which is why ICC Americas Select was included (since then just USA because y'know, ICC loves them the greenbacks)?

As for English county teams, it stands to reason that WICB and ECB have their own arrangement which probably also involves coach and groundskeeping training?

In reply to Tryangle

You really think some of these people stop to think, of the benefit our young players are getting, playing against counties.
CCC is offering opportunities to our student/ cricketers, players like Hodge (Windwards), Walton (Jamaica) are products of CCC.

In reply to openning

My good sir, I have no issues with CCC, I have seen them win many matches.
AND our youngsters shouldn't have to choose between being a professional cricketer (aka Dwayne Bravo)
and an educated cricketer (aka Badree).

My issue is with the value of county clubs and a USA team that struggles to be competitive.
THIS does NOT help prepare our cricketers for international duties.
I would rather be called insular and pay to watch Windies (senior) get their ass busted by mudland (and shiv) or Ramdin lead TnT or even a Cornwall assault or D Smith domestic special. If the their pride, desire, and passion were diminished by modern economics/mgmt, just imagine it! As a school boy there is nothing worst than getting a cut-arse by your mother in front of your friends; this and that both serves as an attitude correction very quickly.

In reply to osrlive

It is so hard to please some people in the region, especially the ones, that change their believes at the drop of a hat.
Many of you, believe our stars became professionals, by playing county cricket in England.
Now that the professionals is playing in the regional competition, and bringing that same professionalism into the regional competition, fans like you just don't get it.
BTW, the WICB/CWI is responsible for the development of cricket in the Americas, whats your problem?
Relax and enjoy the cricket

In reply to openning

[1]I will assume your defense of WICB/CWI is not based on a direct affiliation
[2]I will assume you are not reading from uncle Dave's play book and that "Relax and enjoy the cricket" means I am never to question the rationale behind the administration's decisions.
[3] I will assume you have derived the true aim of the Super50 ODI is to develop USA cricket whilst lowering WI status to that of associate nations - perhaps so we can win more matches?

....in conclusion professionals like Xavier and Ibrahim Khaleel bring much needed attention to the deficiency of the WI playbook.

I am actually for WI U23 team of the past. Many of the U 19 team players do not get the opportunities to develop due to lack of opportunities.

People like Springer, Kemo Paul, Kacey Carty all could have had 2-3 seasons of List A cricket already.

In reply to osrlive

Dude, I don't waste a minute on DD
You would most likely see me, addressing the failure of the BCA management for not producing a world class cricketer
As fans we are always criticizing the president, COS, base on which Island the person is from
Hampshire and Kent add more value to the development of players, than adding another regional team.

In reply to Pacy

These guys should be playing for their national teams.
How can the BCA not play Springer ahead of Stoute, who has been around for 10 years, with little improvement?

In reply to openning

Well, I asked the questions that were on my mind. You have answered based on your wisdom.
We could both be right/wrong, time will tell. I don't believe there is only one solution to any given problem/issue.

I am all for healthy competition (preferably strong competition) AND DEBATE.

In reply to natty_forever Bang on!

In reply to osrlive

... outside a USA, the others seem to be acclimatizing quite well. So we are getting Value from the counties, who to tell one or two may get county contracts. With the USA, we are the value added.

Drop 2 of either USA & 1 County Side & have a 8 team league + semi finals/final.

Let the USA play CCC or West Indies U-19s if they want in a separate tour.

A county team adds a little extra to the tournament, the 8th spot could go to CCC or another visiting side, i.e. Netherlands.

Since this thread a few of the clubs are beating teams

Would guys here complain if one of the regional teams got invited to play in an overseas tournament in India or England or South Africa? Would we say that we should decline because we're devaluing the competition?

Are people in the Caribbean content that football teams like St. Vincent or Barbados or Grenada only get to play each other once every 6 months and not get to test their mettle against stronger CONCACAF sides on a more regular basis?

At the top of the ICC hierarchy, the top teams are finding ways to funnel away the weaker teams like Windies into a Tier 2, yet the irony is lost on people here who feel weaker teams are 'beneath them'.

In reply to Tryangle

Duh? It is exactly what we are questioning- the poor managerial choice by the WICBC to get into this no value "arrangement" in the first place.

To improve our cricket, effort must be made to invite top notch teams and or send our teams to those countries I mentioned.

Let me also correct you, the WICBC has no contract or responsibility to help "American" cricket.

Right now, our cricket is crumbling and we are in life support.

In reply to Emir

If you want to improve cricket re: top notch teams then you may as well merge Windward and Leewards then, do away with CCC and invite some combination of Afghanistan, or ECB champion team for the 'foreign factor'. Since you want only the best players and all. Make it truly elite.

In reply to Tryangle

With all due Respect , The WICBC/CWI
has an obligation mandated by the ICC
to help Cricket in America ; that being the case , I really do not have a problem with that .

Those who want to propose having a Combine Island Team are shortsighted
persons . Doing that is going to exclude some promising Players .

IN MY OPINION ALL TALENTED PLAYERS

IN THE WINDWARD & LEEWARD ISLANDS

MUST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE

THEIR TALENTS .

In my opinion those in the governance
of Cricket in the Region fail to understand or realize that the Standard of Cricket in the Region is Piss Poor .

This Obviously means that THEIR approach to solve this Problem is
utterly stupid . I will always be
of the opinion that the Problems can
only be solved , by doing the following things .

First WE need to recognize what is
the Problem :

THE PROBLEM IS THAT OUR PLAYERS ARE

NOT PHYSICALLY FIT . THEIR MENTAL

STAMINA (CONCENTRATION) IS NOT WHERE

IT SHOULD BE .


ATTENTION MUST BE PAID TO PLAYERS

TECHNIQUES IN BATTING & BOWLING ,ETC

THEY MUST ALSO BE ENCOURAGED TO READ

BOOKS ON PLAYING CRICKET .

These are Problems that can be solved
by hiring Former Great Players to solve most of these problems

IT SEEMS HOWEVER THAT THE EMPERORS

IN THE WORST INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

BOARD IN THE COMMONWEALTH ARE OF THE

OPINION THAT IT IS BENEATH THEM TO

HIRE OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS .

They would rather go out and hire
people from other Countries who are
totally unfamiliar with Players in
the Region . As a result this Stupidity causes problems for both
those who are hired and Our Players .

T he above statement, also goes for former players, getting jobs in other countries.
Good to see Simmons and Gibson can be employed, as Head coaches in other countries.

In reply to POINT

Correction: Americas, not America. It's easy for those in the Windies to pass over this key difference, but it shouldn't be done. It's a shame that the ICC, so deluded by the perception that US $$$ is at the ready once the US cricket administration becomes competent, that they've abandoned all thought of meritocracy in the sport, and instead bends over backwards to dole out perks by the dozen to one group over all others.

But glad that at least one person is okay with the arrangement and doesn't want to cast aside those with the desire to improve, without seeing the irony when their own teams are excluded from events.



Thank you. Some want to draw the string tight, others want to cast a wider net.

Some people in this Forum are Dense ,
It stands to reason that Former Players would easily be familiar than
Persons not born & bred in the Region .
This reminds of the fact the Government of a certain Island in the Windward Islands hired Earnest & Young
to create a National Budget for that
Island .

In reply to POINT

That is nonsense, you are able to know the game of players around the world, and you live isn the US.
Most players have video packages of their cricket.
This is 2018 not 1950.

Ambris first series was against New Zealand, and can tell you NZ had video coverage of the young man.
It is obvious with your tennis, you haven't been to a professional coach in 20 years, if you had, he/she would send you home with a video package to work on.

umm... What was that question again?
Leewards have the answer.

In reply to osrlive
"Can't see how those invites helping us, too weak."
Leewards asking the same questions...

Nothing wrong with inviting a foreign team from regions with better cricket infrastructure to compete to Test out olayers drvelopment. See whats working or not. I for one believe that these WI players play against each other in such a small pool so often they are too familiar with each others skills. The same bowlers tak9ng wickets vs the same batsmen year afyer year lets see them take unknown batsmen wickets. Same goes for our top scoring batsmen; score vs differnt type bowlers who can swing the ball etc.
Sometimes famaliarity can bring on the wrong type of success. Older players got to Test themselves vs County players years ago which improved WI cricket. Why not let them come here since our players cant go there much these days.

Nothing wrong with inviting a foreign team from regions with better cricket infrastructure to compete to Test out olayers drvelopment. See whats working or not. I for one believe that these WI pmayers play against each other in such a small pool so often they are too familiar with each others skills. The same bowlers tak9ng wickets vs the same batsmen year afyer year lets see them take unknown batsmen wickets. Same goes for our top scoring batsmen; score vs differnt type bowlers who can swing the ball etc.
Sometimes famaliarity can bring on the wrong type of success. Older players got to Test themselves vs County players years ago which improved WI cricket. Why not let them come here since our players cant go there much these days.

One has to Creep before walking , this
is the essential point that in this Forum I have been stating continuously .

MOST OF OUR PLAYERS ARE NOT FULLY

COMPETITIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE GLARING

FLAWS ; IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE GAME .

The fact is that their Powers of CONCENTRATION or MENTAL STAMINA is Weak .This obviously affects their
abilities to be fully competitive
against most of their Opponents .


Next is their PHYSICAL STAMINA , it
is a very well known fact that Physical Stamina is an asset regarding making Physical & Mental
Mistakes .

I have always stated that Reading Books on the various aspects of Cricket is also very important .

IN MY OPINION COLLECTIVELY , OUR

PLAYERS PLAY LESS CRICKET THAN MOST

OF THE OPPONENTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENA .

Let me again state for the umpteenth time that the Members of the Windward Islands Cricket Board need to be fired . They prepare their Players by
having :

THE WINDWARD ISLANDS TOURNAMENT HAVE

A DURATION OF 2 FREAKING DAYS . IN

ESSENCE , 4 INNINGS IS CRAMMED INTO

2 DAYS . WORSE YET THIS IS IN

PREPARATION TO PARTICIPATE IN THE

REGIONAL 4 DAYS MATCHES .

This borders on Criminality ; because
the Windward Islands Tournament used
to have a duration of 4 days , when
Touring International Teams played against the Windward Island Teams .

Imagine 4 freaking Cricket Boards , cannot raise at least $5,000.00 each so that the Tournament can have a duration of 4 freaking days .