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...West Indian batsmen poke and block when batting and are unable to turn the strike around...a testament to their lack of technical ability and hence the highest rate of dot balls in international cricket.

As a result of poor technique they will always have difficulty even when chasing small totals when the bowling is tight.

They attempt to speed up the run rate by swiping and most times they perish attempting to score boundary balls.

We have quite a bit to learn. Perhaps they can start by watching plenty videos of Virat Kohli's batting.

They need technical coaching badly.

this has been going on for a very long time now

In reply to navindesigns
Yep. And we cannot find a solution to this simple problem.
Twenty years with a good structure is enough time to remedy this...we are not serious about improving our cricket.

In reply to Courtesy

Somebody stole Courtesy's handle. I have my suspicions ...

In reply to Courtesy

Yet they wont select players with the low dot ball percentage from regionals.

they continue to select pokers/ boundrary hitters

In reply to DIEHARD

I will be grateful to learn about players who rotate the strike in regionals.

Btw, I saw Sunil Narine play yoyo with two West Indian batsmen today. They did not have a clue.

In reply to Norm

I have never doubted Virat Kohli's ability to bat.

What I question is the belittling of Amla to promote Kohli...only lil' boys put down other credible people to promote their own.

In reply to Courtesy

Was just kidding, man.

Regional batsmen could definitely learn a lot from studying the most successful of the current batsmen worldwide. Hety, for example, always throws it away brainlessly - with little consideration for the value of turning over the strike - especially when facing very good bowlers.

It's a reality of today's world. Adds to the fun - most times. This place, for example, would be excruciatingly boring without Larr, VOR, Slippy, etc.

In reply to Norm

I am not surprised at this...What gets you out of difficult batting situations and when playing on sub par pitches is your technique...that's what you fall back on.

In reply to DIEHARD

Who has low dot ball % from regionals?

I am curious.

sarwan was pretty good at rotating the strike

In reply to navindesigns

Sarwan was superior to anything we now have on display. The cubberd is devoid of International talent.

What you expect when the epitome of West Indian batsmanship these days is touted as kraigg Brathwaite?

“He plays “proper” cricket”

“He values his wicket”

Etc

And his “style” is modeled after that of shivnarine chanderpaul who is deemed to be “great” in large part because of his “dogged and gritty” batting.

The irony is that shivnarine chanderpaul can flat out BAT. He CHOSE to bat later in his career in a particular style. And when he was successful with that style, it was touted as what West Indian batsmen should aspire to.

Now we complaining about batsmen not being able to get the ball off the square?

What allyuh really expect?

In reply to imusic

So Chanderpaul is the only one they aim to emulate? There are things to be taken from the Hooper's and Lara's as well.

10 years ago at the ICC under-19 WC, Virat Kohli said Herschelle Gibbs was his favourite cricketer.

Herschelle Gibbs.

In reply to imusic

Snail is the chief architect of the poke and block design.

Captain Ramdin simply kept the mid on and mid off up yesterday and he had no answer. Snail tried the hit over the top and this brought about his demise.

Snail is the most limited batsman ever to play for West Indies. He even blocks half volleys and is enjoying the rewards of very lean harvests in West Indies cricket.

Lennard Baichan was far superiority to Snail as an opener and he could not even pass the smell test in our dominant era.


No need to comment of the dichotomous and unfriendly portion of your post above.

In reply to imusic

Well Blackwood tried very hard to break the Shiv mold of batsmanship, and all alyuh to a man want him dropped.....

In reply to Courtesy

Dot ball % at 62 overall in a 50 over game. West Indian batsmen feel dey must hit every ball hard even if it goes straight to the fielder and get no run.

Ironically the player who is considered by many as the most unfit had a dot ball percentage of 39 and actually ran 101 of his 273 runs scored

I believe poor pitches in the Caribbean are responsible for poor strike rate

In reply to CricketLuva4

Check Cornwall's stats..you'll be surprised..for a man who is "unfit"


I've always maintained that our selectors do not pay enough attention to stats

I have been stating this for many years in this Forum . I have also stated that employing Former Great Players could help , in improving and advising Players in all aspects of
Playing Cricket .

Having played Cricket at the highest levels , Our Former Great Players have
a great deal of knowledge that they can help current Players in all aspects of Cricket .

The problem is this :

THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET IN

THE REGION HAVE CONSISTENTLY TREATED

FORMER GREAT PLAYERS LIKE LEPERS .

Obviously , their vast Knowledge &
Experience goes abegging . The Big
Idiots , are oblivious to these facts
hence their propensity to hire Foreigners who are unable to properly liaison with Our Players regarding
Cricket .

In reply to Maispwi

Say it again but louder for the people in the back. Like i been saying for some time now, the people we have in charge have no clue how to spot and nurture talent. They find a way to ignore even what is blatantly obvious

In reply to POINT

POINT! I always wondered about those foreigners.
Then again, the local Massahs also do not relate to the natives (players).

In reply to aliaskid13... we need to kill frennism!

In reply to POINT

No matter how much a former great could pung in some these man head about doing summen some can't or won't learn

Why it that your answer to everything, the pitches bad, former greats
the bowler overstepping former greats
How about people learn to take responsible for their own actions man.
If you are a batsman and your job is to make runs, making runs aren't limited only to hitting the ball out the park it involves hitting the ball between spaces.
How about if you intend to make your team win (cause cricket is a team sport) you work on your game.
You aint' even have to look at our own greats or wait for the WICB to bring a great to you. there are videos on Youtube (FREE) where you can look and learn
I installed the gas pilot on my dryer by watching a Youtube video. Come on man stop with your excuses hold people responsible for their own shyte

In reply to positiveg

... this would suggest we had a good development program in place that fosters this attitude. And working by yourself (and using youtube), will not help improve flaws if you are not aware of them.

In reply to Courtesy

Leonard Baichan
You know Baichan!! You must be old! What, 44 years ago?
My favorite!

The worst torture ever was Australia v Guyana around 72 or 73.
The man poked out almost a whole session collecting singles to third man or fine leg.
The spinner, ?Mallet had him shut down, no pace to send to third man or fine/long leg.
The crowd was very patient. Not even slow handclap.
Suddenly, it looked like marabunta stung him on the rear end.
He got activated, charged down the wicket and drove him for four. The crowd went ballistic, roaring like thunder. Some of us even gave him a standing ovation!
He did have a few strokes, once in a blue moon.

In reply to Courtesy

Blocking half volleys with a Turbo charged blade is indeed a crime. The sad thing about our cricket, is that he is our undisputed number one opener.

In reply to NYCGURU... what you saying, that sums up our cricket

In reply to positiveg

What if everybody in this second 11 do not take responsibility and do not score runs because of lack of talent, training and responsibility? What if there is no one better to replace them with or it is pre determined that it will be a Bajan side?
What if 1-2 talent emerges and Massah decides to cut their wings due to jealousy, ego, personality defaults? Better yet, what if they land a paycheck of a lifetime in one of the premier leagues?

In reply to goofballs

I call this a second or third eleven as most of the talented ones got alienated and are plying their trade in places where they are respected and compensated as they entertain.

Well I mentioned that last year.

I said that Powell and Paint should not play ODI for Wondies.

I got lots of stick for my statements.

I watch many of the present ongoing 50
Even Shai Hope do not rotate strike.
D. Bravo, arguby in our top 3, can't either.

I don't know what is the cause or answer.
but we are satisfied with par 100% strike rates.

That will wrk for one top order batsman,
who may strike at 80% to 90%.

Marks my words.
WONDIES WILL NOT QUALIFY NEXT MONTH.

They cannot score 300 plus consistently.
So Ireland,Afgans, Zimba and Scotish
will give them a rum.

I watch all teams so far.
Blcok, block, swipe.

Don't talk abut Cornwall.
I watch he lat century.
Bad bowling and good hitting.
He would not succeed with good bowling
yet alone great bowling that he will get.

Wondies neds to go back to drawing board.

Gt some good batting coaches.
Fielding coaches.
Bowling coaches.

Not to mention the money thing.

I'm watching the pregame show for today's
Jamaica game.

Bishop said he got some concerns with
Shai Hope's rate of scoring.

Bishop Duh!

Tino Best said that the he blames the curators
For the quality of the pitches,
which leads to low scores.

Tino blames pitches for Hope's rate.

What an ass.
Bishop said that Shai's international strike rate,
he has a few concerns there.

Same shite we said pon dis MB.

In reply to TanteMerle

Not just Shai Hope. Jason Mohammed is the same. Those two should not be on the same team, especially with Marlon Samuels who often starts slow.

I disagree about the WC qualifiers though. We will qualify easily.

... never realize is Cornwall alone got bad bowling.

In reply to natty_forever

I'm never said that.
I watched the innings.
The bowling was piss poor.
Even a die hard Cornwall fan can see that.
And Yes, batsmen can only play what they receive.
I just ain't fooled like peeps here.

I am not a Cornwall Hater.
I would like Wondies to pick him.
To shut up the peeps here.
Or shut me up.
I would be the first to post
an apology if Wondies pick him
and he performs.

In reply to Walco

You are entitled to your opinion.
Wondies will not make the top 2.

Samuels is not the same batsman post hit in eye.
He should not be near a Wondies team.

Mohammed deserves his spot.
Shai deserves the spot.
Best of a bad bunch.
My point is that Wondies cannot compete.

In reply to goofballs

It seems that they are getting paid to undermine Our Players . Even worse is the fact that the Big Idiots persist
in this Crass Stupidity .

" INSANITY IS DESCRIBED AS DOING THE

SAME THING OVER AND OVER , WITH THE

EXPECTATION OF GETTING A DIFFERENT

RESULT "

When You are getting Free Money from
the ICC , there is absolutely no
incentive to change .

Hodge looks as if he never saw cricket play. Is this our future?

In reply to TanteMerle

I have bookmarked this thread. Marlon Samuels has rescued our ass in big games before and he will do it again.

You acting like WI have to beat Australia, India and SA to qualify. Yes, we are a shite team, but we will be competing against double-shite teams. Gayle, Lewis and Samuels will feast on the double-shite bowling, and Hope's lone ton in ODIs was against Zimbabwe.

In reply to Walco

Sometimes "shyte teams" has a way of spoiling stronger teams parade; however, those type of teams should not be taken lightly, and if anyone does, it's at their peril, stay tuned.

In reply to TheTrail

I am not taking any team lightly. Just calling it as I see it.

It's a multitude of problems here, inclusive of poor pitches & coaching. Jimmy Adams hit nail on the head by stating today proper coaches is a major issue region-wide. The youths these days don't have many good teachers of technique & stamina building. Most major venue pitches of the slow/low nature need digging up & replacing which costs money to be done properly, not replacing earth with a similar type that was done at Providence recently, as it is back playing low now. It's shocking to observe the new Lara stadium strip being so slow, u think it old & worn like Bourda. CWI need to find a way to replace the ones worn ones that hosts domestic & international matches. True strips with carry encourage easier technique learning in both departments of the game.

The fact that Jason Mohammed could get selected to ANY West Indies team is a serious indictment of West Indies batting and by extension, West Indies cricket.

Period.

In reply to imusic

Total agreement with you on this.
No insult to JM but he is not up to international std. A fringe player but not first team material.

In reply to goofballs

It is their perceived Air of Superiority that prevents them from
hiring their former Employees .

This is precisely why I refer to them as : THE MIMIC MEN , who relish behaving like those who they inherited
the WICBC from ; but were of a different Pigmentation .

It was not anyone from England ; New Zealand ; Australia ; India or Pakistan who harnessed & honed the talents of Our Players to win to consecutive World Championships in the Shortest Version of the game .

This Freaking fact has not only eluded the BIG IDIOTS , it has also
escaped the attention of their many
Allies in the Regional Media .

The end Result is that what WE have
here is a Classic case of :

" THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND "

It seems that in the Region WE lack
People with Integrity , Regarding
Cricket ;and WE are currently seeing
the effects of this deliberate neglect .

In reply to Walco

Please bookmark it.

Wondies will not make World Cup.

I sey so.

Yes, I have faith in Lewis and Gayle.
Shai bats too slow, this is not test cricket.

Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland and Zimbabwe.

Two of them four will make it.

PLEASE EVERYONE BOOK MARK THIS.

There will be lots of cussing in the next month.

In reply to goofballs

THEY DO NOT REALLY HAVE ANY INCENTIVE

TO HELP OUR PLAYERS BECOME FULLY

COMPETITIVE ; TO BEAT THEIR COUNTRIES

TEAMS .

Unfortunately the BIG IDIOTS are so blasted Dumb , that they aint realize
this fact yet . It is OUR Former Great Players who have the most incentive to make Our Players as competitive as they can be in the
International Cricket Arena .

Yet the Big Idiots persist in bringing these Foreigners , in the
Region so that they can enjoy the Sunshine , and take the Money & Run .

THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE TO

MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY COMPETITIVE IN

THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .

YET THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST

INDIES CRICKET BLUNTLY REFUSE TO HIRE

OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS TO ASSIST

OUR CURRENT PLAYERS IN BECOMING

FULLY COMPETITIVE .

In reply to positiveg

Look this surely aint complicated :

WHO ACTUALLY HAS MORE INCENTIVE TO

MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY COMPETITIVE ???


IS IT OUR FORMER GREAT PLAYERS WHO

FEEL THE PAIN & STINGS OF THE CURRENT

STATE OF WEST INDIES CRICKET ?????


OR SOME HAS BEEN FROM ABROAD , WHO

PROBABLY NEVER EVER PLAYED

INTERNATIONAL CRICKET , BUT ONLY

READ BOOKS ON CRICKET ?????


So the REAL QUESTION is this :

WHAT FREAKING INCENTIVE DO FOREIGNERS

HAVE TO MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY

COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENA ?????????????????????


They do not really live in the Region

. THEY ARE NOT FROM THE REGION SO

THERE IS REALLY NO PERSONAL INCENTIVE

TO MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY

COMPETITIVE. .

In reply to TanteMerle

They cannot score 300 plus consistently. When WI dont get 270+ in ODIs, I just lose interest!

My recollection is that there were
no Coaches or former Players from outside the Region who Coached , harnessed & Honed our Players to win
two freaking Consecutive World Championships in the Shortest Version
of the Game .

THE BIG IDIOTS SEEM OBLIVIOUS OF THIS

FREAKING FACT , BECAUSE THEY STILL

PERSIST IN HIRING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE

THE REGION .

In reply to POINT Apprise me of any local coach(es), other than the current SA coach, who had a comprehensive & concrete plan for WI boys? I want to be enlightened, less facetiously cynical!

You can have the most elaborate plan in the world but without the qualities to execute, it makes no sense. If you can't motivate or teach anyone the techniques to bat & bowl consistently well at the highest level, u can't coach.