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In reply to ProWI
It not very clear what Afro Americans can do,there was a time when a sign would tell you what you can't or can do.It is sad that those signs are not there now,but the laws of a time gone by is still in operation,sometimes overtly or covertly.This is the USA,"land of the free".

In reply to granite

.....just not for everyone.

Isn't Starbucks a liberal stronghold ? Thought these people are supposedly so open minded.

In reply to ProWI

They were acting suspiciously.

In reply to nitro

KYS! You disgust me.

Trespassing? how so?

In reply to djdrastic

Was.

Then came the Trump era.

Just a side item here...

I visited a Starbucks about 10 years ago, but didn't see anything there that warrants a return visit.

Man....if those guys have no weapons on them I can see a very lucrative civil lawsuit on the horizon.

In reply to granite

Well there is pockets where this is true and in the Trump era, they feel empowered but it does not reflect the will or view of the vast majority.

I suppose dem nuh sell black coffee...only blonde

Starbucks couldn’t catch me. I have no time to study before I enter to order something.

This is nothing new, black people are constantly watched from the moment they enter a store. A white person would not have been noticed.

In reply to djdrastic

Fake outrage fake liberalism from their ivory towers. First black man they see cross the street and call the cops they dont serve and hate.

In reply to ProWI

I wish they could do this to me so that I can sue the crap out of them and settle in life.

In reply to gvenkat

Hang out in the right areas and it will happen..

In reply to gvenkat

Try the airport starbucks...leave your bag unattended...

In reply to DAVE400

Volunteer around Mar-a-Lago

Boy, I never forget when I visited England...a store in Canterbury...I was forking invisible to the white attendants of Marks and Sparks....was like a bad network. couldn't get service at all...

In reply to Emir
I suppose there will always be pockets.In theory I could live anywhere in the UK but does not work,there are pockets who would like to see it whites only,it could be problems for non whites.

In reply to DAVE400
Parts of Kent still the same.

There are alternatives to Starbucks.

In reply to Chrissy
You should know by now that NITRO is just here to agitate.

A fool if there ever was one.

The whole country is a "s hole" anyway ....so why waste time going into Starbucks!

In reply to nitro

Every black person is acting suspiciously in your Trump Kool-Aided eyes.

You reveal yourself more and more everyday to us.

In reply to Star

A mulatto who hates half of himself .

What's all the fuss about? Even half white super human men like me pick on blacks the same way here all the time. This is not new. Stop the outrage.

In reply to granite

It must be must be noted that it was other white patronS who were very vocal about the Police actions.

It also shows that the Police were acting in its historical role as agents of the predominant white power structure. Handcuffing the individuals and putting them in jail for a number of hours can only be seen as an extreme act.

Even the Starbucks CEO is now calling it "a reprehensible outcome".

Our friend Nitro thinks it was warranted.

In reply to ProWI

Why did they wheel out the black police chief so fast so save their sorry asses

In reply to Star

Nitro and twisty is the same person....

Malaise all over this...

Nitro say shit....she spats. Kys or leff that eediot!

Starbucks is not a hangout.. .you must purchase something.

Most fast food have a limit on ur stay after ur purchase....


Lawyers are baiters tooo

This was my strategy to get to use a bathroom...early AMs, I am usually in a certain neighborhood. At the mom & pops restaurant, nearby, I would, periodically, go in, buy a small coffee & give it a needy person on the street. Now, anytime I need to use their bathroom - no problem!

In reply to ProWI

Honestly bro it could be racism, we blacks are used to being watched as we enter an establishment.

That said i would be suspicous of two men sitting in my food establishment and not order an item.

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

They also reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, but being assholes could cost them business. It's always a delicate balance.

I always try a Latin establishment...never a problem go use their bathrooms! Other ethnicity/immigrant type - forget it.

And now the demonstrations have begun, led by #BlackLivesMatter,

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Don't be a jackass. Other whites were "hanging out" there for over 30 minutes or longer but went unmolested. What's your excuse?

In reply to nitro

how do you know this?

"I'd like to have a dialogue with them so that I can ensure that we have opportunity to really understand the situation and show some compassion and empathy for the experience they went through," From the lips of the CEO.
We don't need compassion and empathy. We need solution

In reply to WI_cricfan

Sitting in a food establishment without even ordering water.

people often use Starbuck as a meeting spot, you go there and wait for the other party to arrive,then you ask them what they having. This is such a stupid move on so many level, wonder if the PD can charge the store for filing false report?

People get so riled up about every darn thing. These guys were at the restaurant. Didn't order anything. The manager requested that they leave. They refused. The police came and repeatedly asked them to leave and they refused. What gives?

My question is: Why are folks getting all twisted about this? If you were running a business, would you allow people to loiter?

Not every thing is black and white. Some things are very basic.

In reply to BeatDball

I remember I was in London in February, first day in the city, I was waiting for a friend, a homeless guy asked me to buy him a coffee, I went inside, ordered him a coffee, we sat down and he drank his coffee and left. It was cold outside so I sat inside for a bit but one of the workers told me to leave. Weird thing, the restaurant (it was a "chippy") was deserted. I pleaded my case, that I actually purchased food from them, but they were adamant and said they'd call security.

Race? Probably, although I didnt pursue it at the time, I didn't feel like spending my first day in London in cuffs or some nonsense. I stood outside, my friend came, she went in to order food. I just glared at the workers (I should have told her to Eff this establishment in retrospect).

/rant

In reply to runout

So is only black people not allowed to loiter now??

In reply to runout
so why the police eventually release them without charge?

In reply to camos

The more important question is: why were the police there to remove them in the first place?

And the police is trying to combat the PR issue here. But even the chief said his officers were doing their job.

So I am now catching up on this latest episode of drama in America

If it is true dem fellas was just there hanging out and had no intentions of buying anything then I cant feel sorry for the manager asking them to leave. At that point they should have just left, but instead they said No?

Now I am not sure what was the interaction between them and the police, hopefully the police asked them politely to leave before having to arrest them

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Unbelievable. Could you be anymore ignorant to the problem here?


Never liked Starbucks, but now I have a REASON to avoid.

In reply to nitro

Were you there? Please tell us about the suspicious behaviour.

In reply to runout

You seem to be selectively answering questions.

If you have ever been to Starbucks you would know many people hang out there without buying anything.

What gives?

In reply to pelon

The only time I visited a Starbucks was during a motorway stop .The coffee didn't meet my standard ,so it is a case of once bitten twice shy.

In reply to nick2020

Actually I do go to Starbucks...and I do not hang around to see who is hanging around.

My take is not that they were hanging there. It is that they were asked to leave. And they refused to leave. In essence they were loitering. The cops also asked them to leave and they refused. You can't be serious!

And for that matter it can be any color people there. Why is color a factor in this situ???


How much more simple can it get???

In reply to runout

If you’re paying the $6.49 for a cup of latte, you should be arrested.

In reply to runout

They refused because they were not doing anything wrong.

They young white women who first posted the video said people were shocked that the Police were there to remove these two Black men, as there was no rowdy behaviour, just simply sitting in an establishment while Black.

Were the employees annoyed because they were a couple of cheapos or were they annoyed because the men were black?

This situation could have been handled better by all involved.

In reply to runout

Why do you spell colour without the 'u'?

In reply to ProWI

Really? They violated the company's policy. Or is the company without rights?

Also, you fail to mention that the police chief, who is also black, reiterated that the police did NOTHING wrong.

Sometimes we need to take of the race glass...things may appear much clearer.

In reply to JahJah

Because I can!!!!

In reply to runout

that is for a court to decide, what police ever said they did anything wrong.

In reply to camos

There is no charge...what will the court decide?

The chief, I am sure, is fully aware of the sensitivies here, but he is backing his officers.

And this is not just the police, this is the Police Chief.

Now the restaurant manager has quit...

Starbucks manager who called police on black men leaves company

In reply to runout


So what is the reason for the CEO apology,why not stand with the workers who are just executing company policy?

In reply to camos

He will apologize because this issue has taken on racist overtones. And the perception of Starbucks as a racist entity will hurt the bottomline.

It is damage control, and they have the manager as collateral damage. They want to pacify the protesters who were asking that the manager be fired. He quit instead.

This cannot be right if the manager was following company policy. I can see him suing them.

In reply to runout

civil rights violations,remember that case where the bake shop refused to make the wedding cake for the gay couple?

In reply to camos

It will be interesting. Were the rights of the two men violated?

On the other hand, I think they were violating Starbucks by trespassing.

In reply to Khaga

you will be charged for not being Mexican!

In reply to nitro

why? they had a bag pack or something on them to be suspicious?

In reply to googley

Googs, I guess we won’t be having this conversation if the two guys were white.

We need to stop pandering to race baiting. It undermines the credibility of the genuine cases where people are discriminated against.

In reply to runout

Do you believe they were the only ones just hanging around not buying anything?

Two black men arrested in Philadelphia Starbucks to meet with CEO

In reply to runout

Here's the million dollar question: Why didn't they also throw out the other white folks in the establishment who were just hanging around and hadn't ordered anything???

In reply to DukeStreet

No one threw out anyone. They were asked to leave and they refused to do so. I don’t know if any whites were asked to leave. I don’t know how many whites were there that didn’t buy anything. Do you?

However what we know, as reported, is that the two guys refused repeated requests to leave, based on company policy of not loitering at the location if you haven’t purchased anything. Hence the police were called. And they even disregard the police repeated attempts to get them to leave.

In reply to DukeStreet

The manager's decision got to be based on something, maybe past experience? Gut feeling? Or just plain hatred for blacks?

What do you think it was?

In reply to XFactor

That would not happen to me.I know this joint. But I have never been in a Starbucks and probably never will
as I cannot understand how people treat coffee this way. I like it like my women, straight and black

I know this joint, a few blocks from City Hall in the heart of Downtown Philly.
No doubt there is some race issue but I also feel there is previous experience too with the manager,this being Philly.

I don't believe one can trespass in a public business place.I don't think it is good policy to have such. Many years ago,I managed a McDonalds for a short while
in South Philly and people would come in just to use the bathroom. I allowed them as many cities like Philly and NY don't have many public restrooms
and if you do your thing on the street,you are liable for arrest and it is a felony in some places. A renk subway stop in NYC or Philly can testify to this
where I have seen both men and women relieving themselves.

Being a manager means that one must also exhibit good sense and discretion.
From what I have learnt watching the news,white folks use the spot as a hangout/meeting place too and remain thirsty for latte for up to half an hour and not asked to leave.
That is the racial component;none was ever asked to leave.
For these two black guys to be arrested and finger printed too is not cool.A charge of trespass while waiting for a business associate is much too much.
I can see this Joint being a money loser here in Philly and a closed shop if the 'no toilet,no purchase' policy is not adjusted.Philly folks don't play when they perceive wrong and that aint got no colour

In reply to Tryangle Been having breakfast there now & again, my coworker & I....waitress would now 'bruk her neck to come serve us' (as d guyneez would say), as we would leave a nice likkle tip! But, believe me, I made that concerted effort for them to see my face & know me, as i initially, would go in a few times a week to just buy a small cup of coffee.

In reply to hubert

So, you were never into any kinky stuff?

Okay, I get it, but you'll never know what you might have missed.

In reply to ProWI

Had the best.Can't miss what I never had

In reply to hubert


In my neck of the woods, it's a given you can come off the street, go into these types of establishments and relieve yourself - no purchase, no bill.

Also, for places like Starbucks, Second Cup and McDonald etc., especially those with free wifi access, it is accepted even offered that you can come in, (may or may not) buy a small coffee, or anything on the menu, and spend many hours on your computer.

But that is my neck of the woods, the USA is another strange animal, where Black Americans are easy prey.

I am not into coffee, except for the occasional cup after a nice dinner at a restaurant. My wife is the real coffee connoisseur and she's not into Starbucks coffee, so, we seldom, if ever, go there.

Sh*t on Starbucks...

It's 2018 folks. Time to get creative! Rather than roll out another tired boycott of a business that didn't want you there in the first place, let's try something new. Let's adapt and update another old strategy.

Rather than boycott, let's Sit-In... or should I say SH*T-IN.

No Starbucks Manager in their right mind will refuse bathroom access to anyone black for quite some time, or at least until the spotlight goes away.

This being the case, and the fact being that unbeknownst to Starbucks, Black people are normal human beings, I think it is fine time for us to assert a small, savory slice of our common humanity.

Let's all take our morning SH*T in a Starbucks bathroom!

Let us create long lines of anguished, belly groping black folk, lined up and around the corner of every urban Starbucks. Let them see us in our full humanity, pained and ready to release for relief.

C'mon now. All that pent up gas is ready for a blast and apparently, Starbucks thinks it is too good to receive the ultimate deposit.

Let's show them where our ass is, literally.

Poop with impunity at a Starbucks near you.

Make it Stank y'all!

Sh*t on Starbucks 2018!

dont like starbucks and now I have a reason not to go

there was a rumor going that their name was based on the sentiment that from every sale the star of david (Israel)received a dollar/buck Don't know if this was true but that was a red flag for me

Same here
We have Starbucks and Costa on the campus
Decision locked in

In reply to ponderiver

I think you are correct.

In reply to Khary9

Good to see you, Khary.

In reply to ProWI

Who says you wrong

But the negro must adopt Garvey's core teaching.... support your own and build your own .
The black man needs to stop supporting places that do not welcome them or even
employ them except in the most lowly jobs.You don't strengthen the slave masters with
your own money...you are working against yourself.
Fact Starbucks..Good coffee needs no embellishment

In reply to hubert

Shot!!!!! Through the covers.

In reply to runout

The lady who recorded the whole thing was on CNN last night saying she was at the same Starbucks the previous day and waited there for an hour without buying anything and was never asked to leave.

In reply to runout

You have no idea what loitering is.

Loitering is protected, first and foremost, by the 14th Amendment. In 1972 Margaret Papachristou a vagrant in Jacksonville, Florida was arrested for loitering in an establishment. Her lawyers challenged the arrest and charges in court and won. The court found the loitering ordinance for these establishments encouraged arbitrary and erratic arrest, placing "almost unfettered discretion in the hands of the police.

In 1990, the Chicago v. Morales case challenged a city ordinance banning gang members from loitering. This included loitering in such open establishments, the defendents with backing from the ACLU, won.

Then Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in his majority opinion, "The vagueness that dooms this ordinance is not the product of uncertainty about the normal meaning of loitering," (In the words of another Supreme Court Justice, you know it when you see it.

Just recently McDonald's tried to put the loitering tag on senior citizens who out of boredom left home and sat in their restaurants for hours without buying anything and they lost that battle.

Be informed my friend.

In reply to deanjones
Leff Runout alone. He is trolling. We all know he knows this was blatant racism and bias. It has been widely reported by white folks there the treatment the black men received was crude, rude and racist. Other whites were there hanging around for a long time and no one harassed them.

The issue is not if the police overreacted or if the men violated some shop code. The issue is blatant bias, mistreatment and lack of parity across the board. They will get paid bigly.

In reply to DukeStreet

Absolutely.

In reply to Star

Nice education for me Star...thanks. I am not familiar with the constitutional amendments, nor would I profess such.

Again, I ask you...if you were running an establishment, would you allow people to loiter? A simple yes or no would suffice.

In reply to deanjones

What difference a day makes. Could it be that the lady was alone? Could it be that she was white? Could it be that the manager was different? Could it be that the manager had experiences which would give him cause to act the way he did? Would it have been different if it was handled differently? Loads of qestions....but I do believe that this is blown way out of proportion because
of race.

They were asked to leave and they didn't. The police came and they refused to leave. Now what were these guys thinking?

Nuff said.

In reply to runout

You are taking a very simplistic view when it comes to loitering in such establishments.

As you know, on any given day thousands of white people enter Starbucks just to use their wifi and they do not purchase anything.

Are they loitering?

It is not as simple as you make it out to be.

In reply to Star

Dude...I am making it as simple as simple can be.

If you had an establishment, would YOU tolerate people loitering?

Fellas, FACT starbuck! If you are in the nyc during the weekdays b4 11am - go to maria at the corner of 68st & 1st Av...best pastry, coffee or tea! Mih nah joke! She's from the Canary Islands...i think...but for a treeknee, guyneez & small island people...she's a dugla!

Poor black folks – we just can’t get a break – way back in fifteen century Spain - diving up the spoils of war -- there is this quote by Queen Isabella “there was always a demand for fair-skinned young females in the harems of well-to-do Muslims’”----dark sinned captives were sold of into slavery

In reply to birdseye U just wait sah! Let Nigeria & Ghana follow in the footsteps of Rwanda, then u gwine see...btw, see how the Europeans & Chinese are marrying up them African women & vice versa!?

In reply to runout

ALL of your questions are answered in the video below. The eyewitness breaks EVERYTHING down for you.

Watch the whole thing.

Eyewitness on Starbuck's debacle

Judging from the responses here of who goes to Starbucks and who don't I don't think Starbucks have anything to worry about regarding losing business if this sample size holds true ...

In reply to DukeStreet

DukeStreet...the lady says she first observed that something was wrong was when the officers showed up. The fact that we are saying that this is racist is contradictory as the white folks are in the video defending the two black guys.

In reply to runout

You are a smart dude. You are answering your own question without knowing it.

Think clearly about the following statement and then answer the question. On any given day thousands of white people enter Starbucks just to use their wifi and they do not purchase anything.

Are they loitering?

In reply to Star

Runout is like the flat earth society people. They know the earth ain't really flat but they just looove a good argument.

In reply to Star

Man, you go to great lengths to avoid a simple yes or no.

There are also thousands of black people who go to Starbucks and use their wifi, no? What is your point? That this incident is getting the amount of attention is ridiculous.

These are not the first people who were asked to leave an establishment...they won't be the last.

Lets be pragmatic. Business is not charity.

In reply to DukeStreet
Not really bro...I am just a realist.

In reply to runout
Chief Ross is a tool. Of course his officers did "nothing wrong". They were responding to a request from the manager. They responded, arrested the men and left. Did they kill or maim anyone??? Of course not. Ross is correct only up until they acted without proper training. Watch how his department will now get diversity training as a band-aid on their inaction and inability to act with proper judgement. Shameful!

In reply to DukeStreet

Now that is a serious statement. You are calling the Chief of Police a tool.

Isn't that feeding onto the stereotype that blacks can't think for themselves????

Come on bro!!! Up your game.

In reply to runout

No. Many blacks cannot think for themselves just as many whites cannot. You are obfuscating and trying to steer this from the real issue.

Ask yourself, if you were Chief Ross, would you say something different from what he stated?? Think carefully before answering. Think also of the many brothers/sisters in Blue listening to everything coming out of your mouth. Would you have said it differently?

By next week no one will care about this, you are not a paying customer, you cannot just sit and hang out at an establishment of business if you not even willing to buy some ice. If you want to hang out go by the nearest public park. You could have just get up and left but you decide to be a warrior. You can already tell the majority of America don't give a shit and Starbucks coffee will continue to sell.

In reply to DukeStreet

Really????

In reply to Kay

You are 100% correct, but if a few white activist take root, then and only then will they get scared.

Starbucks is for the Floss crowd: The Millennials, The Girl in Geek glasses, The Tight cuffed Jeans man with the leather man purse... so everyone has their identity enclave and I guess I can't not knocking them, but I have always found Starbucks (and the menu item names) pretentious fluff.

Real coffee drinkers know better.

In reply to runout
Man cut the bs about trespassing. Even white people were saying that when they sit in Starbucks without ordering, the manager don't call the police, they don't get handcuffed, they don't get booked and fingerprinted. Only one set a people can trespass? That should tell you something.

I have hung out at Starbucks many a times to get some work done in a place with a reasonable view.

I have never done so without buying anything, I always make sure to have a coffee in front of me.

To do otherwise is just asking for problems...imagine if they were being overcrowded by free loaders and the paying customers had no place to sit...

I dont go digging for problems

In reply to carl0002

Do you believe that Starbucks call police on every black person who sits in their shops without purchasing anything? Starbucks has over 27,000 locations.

Are you saying that these are the first black guys who went to a Starbucks store and bought nothing?

You need to to assess this situ in the context, and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill...

In reply to steveo
Good for you.

I run a business and many a times I have found myself interviewing people in Starbucks. Sometimes I order stuff. Sometimes I don't. I never go into Starbucks with an agenda of ordering vs not ordering. I have always viewed it as a place to go hang out and get stuff done. Ordering is expected but never a requirement and it was never reinforced. It was never an issue because the managers never made it an issue. Other folks in there are doing all sorts of stuff but mostly people mind their business and life goes on. At the end of the day, Starbucks will get paid regardless.

We all know the manager screwed up. The police need training and these men will get paid.

In reply to runout

You are catching on slowly.

Do Starbucks managers ask white people who are there sitting not buying anything to leave?

In reply to Star

Bro, not everyone is as sharp as you.

The race is not necessarily for the quickest.

In reply to Star

How do you know that the didn't ask white people to leave? Because you haven't seen a protest, or it doesn't appear on youtube, then maybe it NEVER happened?

The more poignant question is: Do they ask every black person to leave? or is this an isolated incident. And is there is culpability on the two guys who were bare-faced enough to ignore repeated requests to leave?

In reply to Star

Probably won't make news because the white people will most likely leave, especially when the police ask they will leave

In reply to runout

people may have done so in the past and complied with their order to leave , so no one heard about it, Rosa Parks was not the first person sent to the back of the bus.

In reply to DukeStreet

You are managing a business, your place is overcrowded by people taking advantage of the freeness and keeping out paying customers, what would you do?

You cant tell me under no circumstances you wont ask people to leave

In reply to steveo

Dude...these fellas won't touch that...cause it will give them cause to pause.

In reply to steveo

Catching at straws.

Not the case in this particular instance.

In reply to steveo

you tell ALL the people not buying to leave.

In reply to runout

--- yeah – but you have to admit that these kinds of incidents happen more frequently to black folks – that’s an historical fact --- or maybe you don’t think that’s a fact --- so if you don’t think so --- carry-on in your haze

In reply to birdseye

Any of you guys ever got o Starbucks and bought nothing?

Were you then asked to leave?

Simple yes or no will do.

In reply to steveo

You know yuh fcuked up when it's the White folks who are saying that they did exactly what the darkies did and they have never been asked to leave.

Arrested and charged for #waitingforafriendwhileblack.

In reply to runout

I did that shyte throughout university and still do it. You just can't beat their free wifi. Never been asked to leave.

In reply to SnoopDog


as simple as that!

In reply to runout

Any of you guys ever got o Starbucks and bought nothing?

Were you then asked to leave?

Simple yes or no will do.

In reply to SnoopDog

Thank you...

In reply to runout

You can't willy nilly pull nonsense out of the air and expect to win an argument. You have to deal with the incident in question and the facts relating to it.

This Starbucks was not overcrowded and the two gentlemen were not keeping out paying customers. These two gentlemen were black, that is all that mattered to the ill-advised manager.

Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In reply to Star

Willy nilly???? Pull nonsense out of the air??? Win an argument??? take a breath here bro.
Do you know exactly what happened there?

Will you allow people who don't patronize YOUR business to occupy your place? Please, YES or NO!

In reply to Star

the dude is coming up with all sort of possible reason ,without any consideration of the facts of the situation.

In reply to birdseye

You doing a census --- or do you want to have a discussion about what happened and whether one thinks it was handled appropriately – or is that discussion a bit difficult for you?

In reply to runout

have you seen the interview with the woman who posted the incident on twitter?

In reply to birdseye

It is very difficult for me to see grown folks excusing boorish behavior.

These guys were asked to leave, they didn't. The police came and asked them to leave repeatedly and they didn't. They were arrested for trespassing. Story done.

In reply to camos
The woman says that she first observed the ruckus when the police entered. Next!

In reply to runout

You seem to miss the part where the White folks who were there and who took the video were saying that some of them were also there and they often don't buy anything and they were never asked to leave.

#waitingforafriendwhileblack.

In reply to SnoopDog

I am not disputing that. You could have been also one to be interviewed as one who didn't buy anything and wasn't asked to leave. This is by your own admission.

This matter is overblown.

In reply to runout

How is this example of flagrant racial profiling 'overblown' in a country where race relations is still very much in the 19th century?

In reply to SnoopDog

Bro....you ain't white, and it never happened to you.

In reply to runout

What? How does this even make sense?

In reply to SnoopDog

Do you care to tell us what reace relations should be now?

Please define it a bit for us a as part of an education for us ignaramouses.

Thank you.

In reply to camos

BINGO.

I think these fellas know the answer but they just need validation. This is an open and shut case. Liks and more liks for Starbucks.

In reply to SnoopDog

You are saying whites do it and they are not asked to leave...so when the blacks were asked to leave it is racist.

You did it and you were never asked to leave...so they were not racist to you. Errr....

In reply to SnoopDog
Leave runout alone.

He is running out of logic.

In reply to runout

Look at the Starbucks video and see what race relations in the 21st century isn't in Murica.

And yes, you are an admitted ignoramus - confession is good for the soul.

In reply to runout
If there is an incident, ask ALL the perpetrators to leave.

ALL.

ALL.

When you start cherry picking them, you face the consequences, especially when caught on camera.

In reply to runout

I'm not Black/African American....derrrr.

In reply to DukeStreet

Exactly. The cherry picking was a classic case of racial profiling.

In reply to SnoopDog

Oh lawd bro...come on don't cop out...you make statements that your intellect cannot cash.

Pray, tell me what the ideal race relations should be...as you seem to know quite a bit on race relations.

In reply to runout

Dude you are stupider than I thought. White people did the same thing as those 2 black guys and were never asked to leave.

In reply to SnoopDog

Come on Snooopy...don't run and hide now.

You forget that it is a white lady who made the video....that there were whites in the store asking why the cops were there. There were black cops. A black police chief. And white folks standing up for black people.

How is this indicative of 19th century race relations???

In reply to deanjones
thank you...my take is that not every balck person who does the same thing is asked to leave.

less stupid? More stupid? or just stupid???

In reply to ignoramus runout

Did you not read the part in this thread about telling all the people who were not buying to leave instead of picking out the Black folks?

Wrap your ignoramus head around that, if you can.

In reply to runout
They were there waiting for some real-estate person --- I would have left if asked to leave and wait outside --- the point is though – if the CEO of starbucks says that the guys were wronged – why do you think they weren’t? afterall its his business --- and the guy who called the cops got fired --- so much for his good deeds

In reply to SnoopDog

Come on bro...you always behave like a fluffer.

That is what should have happened, as it is a company policy. That discretion afforded was not equitable is a given.

It is ok for me to call me an ignaramous...not ok for you! Cheers!

In reply to birdseye

Bro...i would not sit in an establishment where I am not welcomed.

Furthermore, the CEO is on damage control. He knows that this is not good for business.

The manager who called the cops parted on "Mutual" agreement.

These fellas acted boorish! Even after the cops got there. Any thoughts on that?

In reply to runout

By common consensus here your self appointment of village ignoramus is not without merit Bro.

In reply to runout

Yes, they acted "boorish" in that they knew they were being racially profiled and stood their ground peacefully without violence or vulgarity.

#waitingforafriendwhileblack.

In reply to SnoopDog
Bro...I always pay attention to the source. Gives me a chuckle.

And common consensus is not my cup of tea. I leave that for the likes of you who seek conformity.

I don't need a crowd to tell me what is right. This behavior was boorish, and at the least they should have left when the cops got there.

Now how about our 19th centruy race relations?

In reply to SnoopDog

That is all.

In reply to runout

That's where Murica is at the moment.

Nazis who run over and kill protesters are "fine people" and Black guys waiting for a friend at Starbucks are "boorish".

In reply to runout

By your definition of "boorish" Rosa Parks was also boorish.

Anyone who defied the segregation laws of the deep south were also boorish. I think your characterization of "boorish" with these guys is quite revealing.

In reply to SnoopDog

man you sounding basodee...tell me how america has 19th century race relations. And how do you expect racism to look and feel now. Please oh esteemed one, do not spare our intellect. I beg of you. Educate us/me, please.

In reply to SnoopDog

That is right...work it bro. Try to spin it now.

What is quite telling is your inability to state clearly that which you want others to do and say.

In reply to runout

Why should I? You're an admitted ignoramus.

Go clean yourself up, report back and I might consider.

In reply to SnoopDog

you ok bro??? Is that the best you can do?

Come on...you are more disappointing than I anticipated.

In reply to runout

That echo chamber in your head is getting louder.

But anyways, you voted for a Dotard.

In reply to SnoopDog

Dude...I just took a hot shower...and I have a fresh Starbucks latte, waiting on you to deliver us from the ills of american 19th century racism.

I think you know not that which you know. I see it is showing you up badly. But that is not my intent.

In reply to SnoopDog

I am still waiting for you to post something sensible....time is not on my side.

In reply to runout
Is Runout = Sparky? RevAL???

In reply to DukeStreet
Nah bro...i didn't reincarnate.

Where is Snoopy...come on bro...you running and hiding now? Or are you afraid that you intellect will be laid bare?

In reply to runout

I'm good Bro, but I ain't that good.

While you sip on your latte ask yourself why you choose to characterize the guys arrested as "boorish" even though they did not utter any vulgarity or did anything remotely aggressive.

You just might answer your own ignoramus question as to the state of race relations in Murica.

In reply to DukeStreet

Sparky and Rev Al had more brains and a lot more sense of humour.

In reply to SnoopDog

Listen...you are sounding like a joke, a bad one at that. Tying to define America race relations with personal insults. Are you for real???

I have my time machine and am waiting to revisit 19th century race relations. Come on Snoopy, man up. You look like a snow flake near a microwave.

In reply to SnoopDog

Pity none of that rubbed off on you...perhaps you are more dense than i thought!!!!

In reply to DukeStreet

maj may be Rev Al.

Snoopy...is why you hiding bro. This is a defining moment for you to reveal all you know about American race relations...

In reply to runout

19th century Bro.

In reply to SnoopDog
Cheers...enjoy the rest of your day!


I will send you the bill for wasting my time.

In reply to runout

Ignoramuses have time to waste?

Woman Who Shared Philadelphia Starbucks Arrest Video Tells Her Story

In reply to runout

what does that mean and how do you conclude that - Vincent van Gogh cut off his ear was because of his brother Theo’s engagement....at least so the english says - different people behave differently in the same situation --- boorish and criminal are Synonym? some distinction here

I will say, loitering & looking ragamuffin, breaks morale of people entering the establishment. Done.

In reply to BeatDball

And yet the people in the establishment were mortified and challenged the cops and the manager at the injustice they were witnessing when the ragamuffins were arrested for #waitingforafriendwhileblack.

In reply to SnoopDog
Ignoramuses have time to waste? lol

Usually I try to get paid doing so...however with you it is a lost cause.

No value added.

In reply to runout

Keep at Bro. One day you'll convince a White person in Murica you are just like them: you voted for the Dotard, fly your flag at the front door, immigrants are the scum of the earth, Black people are boorish, watch Fox Noise, and of course there's the deep state.

In reply to birdseye

Poor Vincent...he must be from the 19th century

In reply to SnoopDog

Any more sanguine advise you can lend me?

In reply to runout

Yes! You are to be more pitied than scorned.

In reply to runout

Because of this incident, every single Starbucks store in the USA will be closed no May 28th for racial training.

Wow!!!!!!! I have to give it to the Starbucks CEO.

What a decision to make. Congrats Sir.

In reply to SnoopDog
Ohhhh, you are being too nice.

i wonder if the 19th century lesson softened you up.

In reply to runout

I'm always nice!

Even to the village ignoramus like you.

In reply to Star

It's called "damage control".

In reply to SnoopDog

Village ignaramous???

Like you getting senile in your old age. This 19th century lesson not treating you good at all. You getting more basodee...even when I thought that it wasn't possible.

Or you like to embellish stuff...like the Prezzie of the US???

In reply to black

Political Correctness...

A bunch of hogwash...if they knew that they had a policy to keep people out if they don't buy, then they should have modified their policy if they thought that it was so offensive and needed "fixing"...but everyone wants to come out smelling like a rose, even when the stench is of their own doing.

Really??? Like these folks went to school with Snoopy...

In reply to runout

Bro, you're mighty pissed off that your Fox Noise narrative of "there is no such thing as racism in Murica" is getting thrown in your face with this Starbucks incident. Nevermind all the other incidents of racial bias and profiling that has come out in this age of social media.

Keep fighting the evil fight though. Even the most rabid racist White people have abandoned the fight on this one. But not you!

...Woahhh, now we talking.

In reply to SnoopDog

Bro...if I could, I would advise your parents to go back to school and request a full refund for your education. Just for the money they spent though...but then I hope the school don't charge them for babysitting you!

In reply to runout

Why is it that you are posting stuff that is non-nonsensical?

The policy to keep people out (your words) did it apply to whites? This policy to keep people out (again your words) did Starbucks use it against the thousands of white people who used their stores for wifi purposes without buying anything?

There is no disputing that thousands of white people do this all over the USA on a daily basis so think before answering.

Rass...a man wants a plan to eradicate "unconscious bias"...what the rass I hearing???

Now there you have it folks. America's race problem is solved. Next!

In reply to Star

You sir, are a jackass of no mean proportion, and I don't mean to offend jackasses.

Having a policy and implementing a policy is very different. You need to get the flavor of the coold aid right before you start sipping.

Cheers!

In reply to runout

The first step in overcoming a problem is admitting there is in fact a problem.

Well done village ignoramus.

In reply to SnoopDog


You need to learn the fine art of sarcasm...wait, don't tell me that they didn't teach you how to be sarcastic.

Oh come on now...this gets worse.

In reply to Star

Every time I visit Queens NY I see guys like runout who are recent immigrants but who are so desperate to appear "American".

They rail against immigration even though they are all immigrants some of whom have been there less than 5 years. They fly their Murican flags as conspicuously as possible at the front of the house. They talk about not having to pay taxes to subsidize scum of the earth poor people on welfare (as if they pay any significant amount of taxes). They practically jizz themselves when talking about the Murican military. And of course, they all watch Fox Noise.

Sometimes it's best to just tell them they are as Murican as a loaded AR-15 and leave it at that.

In reply to SnoopDog

You getting outright silly...I mean this 19th century thingy got you all confused.

I don't crave acceptance. I am very comfortable in my own skin. I worry for people like you who cast aspersions, without daring to look at themselves.

Perhaps some self analysis will serve you right.

You come to Queens to hang with the people in Quees??? Woahhh...and the very same people who perhaps are entending themselve to you, you end up disparaging. What a guy!

In reply to runout

Sorry I have to say this.

You are way out of your league on this topic so I will have to leave it there.

I hope you recover from the amount of left hooks and uppercuts you received from everyone on this thread today.

In reply to Star

Cheers! Next.

In reply to Star

It's never nice having to beat up on the disabled and mentally challenged but he was asking for it.

In reply to SnoopDog

So sweet...you should be kind to your brothers.

In reply to runout

Not if thy brother is asking for a good ass kicking.

In reply to SnoopDog

How can an ass kick ass??? You are really losing it.

Seems like a few posters here should be out with the protesters. This thing of great, significant import, is losing steam. Come on guys...put your selves on the line...make a difference.

Lets close Starbucks down...not just for one day.

BTW..the stock is at $59...looks to be trending higher. Talk about free publicity? The CEO should pay these chaps handsomely...and maybe every so often goad his managers to do something outrageous to some Indian/Chinese fellas nest.



Poor Wendy...such devastation. I feel her pain.

In reply to runout

Serious question Bro. Have you ever talked to a woman without having to give your credit card information?

Let it go Bro. This racist shyte happens every day in the Dotard States of Murica. It's just that in this incident, it was captured in its glorious unvarnished visceral occurrence.

I know this goes against your Fox Noise narrative but it is what it is.

In reply to SnoopDog

I would answer you...but out of civility...I will let this question pass.



What does my talking to a woman have to do with this topic? Is it the same relevance as 19th century racism, where your expertise is well documented? Ok...i get it.
Racist shyte happens everywhere...however in the great US of A, we will deal with "Unconscious Bias" and solve all of the US race problems. Have no fear, Starbucks is here!!!

In reply to runout

It's a start!

The question re: you talking to a woman is because of your inexplicable, incoherent, and irrational rantings on this thread. Only a 40 year old virgin would be so passionate about defending Starbucks and railing against political correctness in a case that really doesn't call for it.

You just come across as a lonely man, a man who's never had sex, not even with a Catholic priest.

In reply to SnoopDog

Are you sick? Or are you pretending to be sick to ingratiate yourself more with the crowd? You are not well.

Please redeem yourself by telling us about 19th century racism in America.

In reply to runout

You asked for it Mr. Ignoramus.

In reply to SnoopDog



Are you joking...or are you plain out of your mind? Get well.

In reply to hubert

Never truer words have been spoken. Africa (particularly Ethiopia and Kenya) produce some of the world's best coffee, so it must be asked why some smart black businessman/woman can't start the process of importing the best coffee and starting up like Starbucks did.

Just an update...

2 black men arrested at Starbucks get an apology from police

Starbucks said it will close more than 8K stores for an afternoon to train staff on how to avoid "racial bias".

I hope runout does not go through withdrawal for his overpriced pretentious Starbucks latte.

In reply to XFactor

Why should I suffer from withdrawal? Everyone has moved on...Starbucks will make money hand over fist. The Police will be charmed. The two black dudes will get the required compensation. Employees will be more race conscious, to avoid being "unconsciously biased"...I am happy for all.

I wll still drink may coffee. And I will continue to see the world as an ever changing planet.

Cheers!!!

In reply to runout

There is an upside to all this. Now you may get your coffee immediately as you walk in.

In reply to runout

You are a bit slow but like Shiv if you tek you time you will eventually get there....

In reply to Kay

Really!!!!! Man it took you two days to come with this....and you have the gall to call me slow. You make Shiv look like Usain Bolt.

Black guys stealing "free" wifi getting more traction than a rape post