Message Board Archives
HEADLINE: WINDIES HEADS TO INDIA FOR A FULL TOUR
CaribbeanCricket.com
2018-08-29 09:34:24
ST JOHN’S, Antigua – WINDIES Men will be in India for almost seven weeks starting September 26. They will compete against India in 2 Tests, 5 ODIs and 3 T20s.
West Indies and India have played 94 Tests against each other since 1948. West Indies has won 30, lost 28 and drawn 46 matches.
The Selection Panel has assembled a 15-man squad for the Tests. The squad reads:
Jason Holder (captain), Sunil Ambris, Devendra Bishoo
Kraigg Brathwaite, Roston Chase,Shane Dowrich
Shannon Gabriel,Jahmar Hamilton,Shimron Hetmyer
Shai Hope, Alzarri Joseph, Keemo Paul
Kieran Powell, Kemar Roach Jomel Warrican
Chairman of Selectors, Courtney Browne says “The panel congratulates Jason Holder and his team on the excellent performance against Bangladesh. As the team embarks on a tough tour of India the successes against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh should hold them in good stead during the India series. The panel welcomes back Sunil Ambris who missed the last couple of series due to injury, along with Jomel Warrican who adds a second spin bowling option to the attack.”
Full Story
doosra
2018-08-29 09:46:18
best wishes
Kohli seh he go tek rest
Dukes
2018-08-29 10:00:55
No controversial selections. For once I think I agree with the selectors
positiveg
2018-08-29 10:44:17
In reply to Dukes
when was the last time you think you agree wid dem man?
Not being mischievous but it's been a really long time since they come up with a team that most persons feel ok with.
jacksparrow
2018-08-29 10:49:10
India probabaly agree with the selectors too
Gonna be a long hard tour hope the batsmen can step up to the challenge
Seechy
2018-08-29 11:12:55
Narper
2018-08-29 11:32:07
In reply to Dukes
I would have taken Cornwall.
With Shai Hope as back up wicketkeper I would not take Hamilton
Kay
2018-08-29 11:39:15
In reply to Seechy
That's the test squad and Dowrich most likely will be the keeper. They will probably include Ramdin in the ODI/T20 squads later but then again Hamilton will already be in India. Hope is also an option.... so it look like cat nyam Ramo dinner
doosra
2018-08-29 11:41:06
Warrican will have a good time there
Larr Pullo
2018-08-29 11:57:42
I agree with the team BUT...the batting is exceedingly thin and inexperienced.
Aside from that we'll be bowling for declarations because the chances of that group of bowlers taking 20 wickets in India is slim and none.
Expect to lose the tests by and innings and plenty!
sgtdjones
2018-08-29 12:04:24
Can Gabriel and Roach remain injury free after two days playing cricket.
Larr Pullo
2018-08-29 12:07:14
Khaga
2018-08-29 12:55:31
WI still lead head to head..write WI off at your own peril!
Maispwi
2018-08-29 13:08:27
Why travel with 4 keepers?
openning
2018-08-29 13:13:56
In reply to Narper
The team is missing an opener to partner Kraigg.
Hetty has not been opening, and I prefer him at either #1 or #2, strictly base on the International batting position he batted recently.
We've seen Hope, Johnson and others force into opening slot with very little success, is they not one of the eleven openers from the last recent regionals, that can fill that slot?
Narper
2018-08-29 13:16:37
In reply to openning
Powell is an opener
Larr Pullo
2018-08-29 13:16:53
In reply to openning
Good question...they already jettison you know who, and will ask some poor youngster to sacrifice his career on the alter of expediency.
imusic
2018-08-29 13:21:26
In reply to Larr Pullo
So let me see if I understand this correctly
If you are indeed advocating for Devon Smith to be selected for this tour, its not based on his performance, but rather protecting a young cricketer from potential failure?
How much more noble can one get?
jacksprat
2018-08-29 13:27:04
In reply to imusic
If you are indeed advocating for Devon Smith to be selected for this tour, its not based on his performance, but rather protecting a young cricketer from potential failure?
It's like using one proven failure to protect against a potential failure - can't make this "logic" up!
Intangibles anyone?!!!
It's somewhat akin to using a poison as an antidote to nullify the effects of another poison.
Seechy
2018-08-29 13:50:55
In reply to Larr Pullo
There is no experienced middle order bat in the squad. Where is the Shivmeister?
openning
2018-08-29 13:59:39
In reply to Narper
Powell is an opener
Thanks for reminding me, he must had set the world on fire, since losing his spot to Devon Smith.
hubert
2018-08-29 14:36:54
In reply to Dukes
History made. I cannot recall an official Test touring team with No Jamaican.
imusic
2018-08-29 14:41:32
In reply to hubert
Welcome to the endangered species club
hubert
2018-08-29 14:44:48
jacksprat
2018-08-29 14:55:58
In reply to hubert
I cannot recall an official Test touring team with No Jamaican.
One of the more likely candidates, Jermaine Blackwood, is presumably deemed not to be "a proper batsman", despite having a test record comparable to, and in some cases better than, some who are in the squad.
It is reminiscent of when his compatriot , Chris Gayle, was also dismissed as being a "lead-foot" "prima donna" and 'not a proper batsman while myriad purveyors of mediocrity were chosen ahead of him.
History made
Is history repeating itself -first as a tragedy, then as a farce?
imusic
2018-08-29 15:01:36
In reply to hubert
DIEHARD
2018-08-29 15:02:13
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
Must be a misprint...i don't see Miguel "selection for life" Cummins
imusic
2018-08-29 15:03:42
In reply to jacksprat
We done know from director Condé Riley that the Trini players troublesome, greedy, and dont care about Windies cricket.
Maybe the Jamaican players dont read enough
mikelegend
2018-08-29 15:19:33
In reply to Khaga
Dukes
2018-08-29 15:21:33
In reply to hubert
I must admit, I did not notice that. Lemme think about it and I will comment later.
jacksprat
2018-08-29 15:23:54
In reply to imusic
We done know from director Condé Riley that the Trini players troublesome, greedy, and dont care about Windies cricket.Maybe the Jamaican players dont read enough
You may have a point!!
You can't have players who would deign to know their rights, and worth, and agitate for them rather than just be glad to be thrown some crumbs!
Plus the Jamaican players may add Hs, where they not belong, and be incapable of conjugating their verbs a la players from a particular territory!
sunfish
2018-08-29 15:37:16
First test eleven:
1 Brathwaite
2 Powell
3 Hetmyer
4 Hope
5 Chase
6 Dorwich
7 Holder
8 Bishoo
9 Roach
10 Joseph
11 Gabriel
thomasthomas
2018-08-29 15:45:20
In reply to Larr Pullo
I see the selectors gambling with makeshift openers.
DIEHARD
2018-08-29 15:50:58
In reply to sunfish
Warrican for Joseph...Bajan for a Bajan..say bet, no way Cummins dropped for a dottie
Maispwi
2018-08-29 16:07:24
In reply to openning
Ah always tawt dat #1 and #2 were openers. You sure you eh mean one or 2 down?
Maispwi
2018-08-29 16:36:25
In reply to Larr Pullo
No Smitty? Ah mean 2 series is too small a sample to make a judgement on and de Chief Selector did say dat people would be given a run in de team
openning
2018-08-29 17:20:57
In reply to Maispwi
You sure you eh mean one or 2 down?
yes, one and two down.
They replace Powell with Devon, and recall him for doing nothing.
buds
2018-08-29 17:33:44
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
CBrung nuh tired of losing..He loves to lose. With this WI team India should play their C Team.
sunfish
2018-08-29 17:37:17
In reply to DIEHARD
India pitches now favor fast men so I will go with pace as well, Chase will provide the second spinner option.
Maispwi
2018-08-29 18:35:32
In reply to openning
You do know dat Ambris is an opener who has had to reinvent himself as a middle order batsman to get into de Windwards team since dey had two established openers in Smith and Theophile
openning
2018-08-29 19:23:59
In reply to Maispwi
Same as Hetty, but these guys have not been opening, of late.
Can you list the last match Ambris opened?
Windward Openers : Theophile & Smith
Leewards: Hodge & Powell
Jamaica: Campbell & Walton
Barbados: Moseley
T&T; Jangoo & Solozano
Guyana: Chanderpaul & Hemraj
Emir
2018-08-29 19:32:13
Serious concern about some of the selections: For starters, while I support Jason's inclusion, his continued appointment of captain is a horrible one.
In addition, I fail to see the logic in leaving out Darren Bravo
Drapsey
2018-08-29 19:40:36
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
This squad should do well. No Yardies there to peddle bad influence.
Robin
2018-08-29 20:03:17
In reply to Maispwi
No disrespect mate - this recent series aside but Smith has had way more than two series to cement his position as an opener.
His recent performance suggests he has yet to correct the fatal flaw that gets him out time after time. This flaw was identified early in his career and pretty much ended his tenure as a test opener once test teams figured him out.
At present we are missing a decent opener to pair with Brathwaite - Smith, I wish he was, is NOT it. Powell at least has a chance to prove worthy. Gayle would be my preference but that is a done deal.
Egos on both sides (players and the board) need to be put aside and CWI needs to select the best players for the side regardless of age. Ramdin should play (quality and experience - for those too young, new or biased to recall - back in the day in Australia he and Dwayne Bravo managed to bat through two new balls facing Glenn McGrath, Brett Lee, Shane Warne and Stuart Macgill - that is no mean feat.
That said - Darren Bravo needs to be brought back into the fold - he is too good a batsman to be dismissed due to a small man with a big ego (D Cameron)- and yes my heritage is from that island.
Maispwi
2018-08-29 20:10:59
In reply to openning
If an opener can reinvent himself as a middle order batsman he can do the reverse
Maispwi
2018-08-29 20:19:07
In reply to Robin
ou shud have realised dat ah wasn batting for Smith from who the post was addressed to.
I am on record saying dat he shud not be recalled regardless of how many runs he scored in Regional cricket, but since posters were quoting de Chief Selector ah was just reminding them dat after scoring over 1000 runs, 2 series cyah be considered a run
Narper
2018-08-29 20:59:48
In reply to openning
In reply to Narper
Powell is an opener
Thanks for reminding me, he must had set the world on fire, since losing his spot to Devon Smith. lol lol
The fact is he is an opener...he opens for LI in the regional 4 day competition...why look for someone to open who does not open in the regional competition
Oh Oh...did he light up the #3 position in tests?
He failed as an opener....he failed at #3...so why is he in the side? To find a batting spot for him?
Narper
2018-08-29 21:02:39
In reply to openning
They replace Powell with Devon, and recall him for doing nothing.
Powell was batting at #3....he was dropped for Smith
Yadi
2018-08-29 22:12:57
In reply to Narper
No Jamaicans.
mikesiva
2018-08-30 03:04:25
In reply to DIEHARD
Warrican.
Miller should be there instead.
CITYBOY
2018-08-30 07:39:43
Hola... This is definitely a belly wuk tour....the on field play will give all of them belly wuk...and the food will do so also...big comedy club here...
Cornwall should had been number 1 pick...he would had slimmed right down after this tour.
As someone posted no Jamaicans here on tour..it would be interesting to have this team play against aselect Jamaican second 11...I aint want them to play the first team...let them try with the second.
Yup I am a pessimist on this tour...and who should not be??
ADios
CB
DIEHARD
2018-08-30 09:23:07
In reply to Robin
You would drop Dowrich for Ramdin at this point?
Or play Ramdin as a batsman?
Playing him for Chase not a bad idea, but Chase is the spinning all rounder..
Is Holder a good enough bowler to bat 8 to include another batsman?
I don't think so, I think it has to be Dowrich 6, Holder 7, 4 bowlers, but yes Lil B needs to be in the mix
Slipfeeler
2018-08-30 10:07:42
Seechy
2018-08-30 10:33:55
Our best 1st XI for Tests:
Gayle
Brathwaite
Hetmyer
Bravo
Chase
Ramdin
Holder
Bishoo
Joseph
Roach
Gabriel
Slipfeeler
2018-08-30 10:34:03
Narper
2018-08-30 11:25:54
In reply to Yadi
In reply to Narper
No Jamaicans.
Brung implies Blackwood don't read enough
Dukes
2018-08-30 12:22:39
In reply to hubert
I looked at Blackwood, Cotterell, Thomas, Samuels and Gayle and could find no compelling reason for any of them to be included in this touring team. Blackwood is on the cusp and some good performances in first class cricket for Jamaica and he could force his way back into the team.
Oshane Thomas has some potential and will have his opportunitites to impress in the regional first class tournament as also would Soldier Boy.
I think that Samuels is done and Gayle remains in the mix for the World cup.
hubert
2018-08-30 14:36:15
In reply to Dukes
It does not matter to me who makes the team as I am not that keen on Waste Indies cricket and have been this way for years.
I was just pointing out the historic fact that after 90 years,with Jamaica providing the First WI captain too, that for a Test tour, no Jamaican
was included.
And i am certainly not an advocate or ever was for Jamaican players. However with the criteria for selection recently highlighted by the
chairman Brown,how can Nikita Miller not make this squad. Too many successful years in 4-day cricket ?
Only Permaul comes close in this regard. And yes, he can read.
Young Campbell as a left handed opener has not done enough, but others could argue that if a Devon Smith can be given 10 lives,
investment in a Campbell who also bowls offspin and has been around the 'A' team could have been made. I noticed he has
been sent to the 'B' team. It was always customary for a youngster to be sent on tour but things have changed and I would
not plug for Campbell.But Powell who did not overwhelm anyone in 4-day cricket and was not opening will ,I suppose be sent
back to do this duty with Paint.
If I had anything to with selection, my outside pick would be Keacy Carty. I do not share your view on Samuels. The middle order could
use his experience in India.
In summary, i expect some adjustments will be made for the Bangladesh leg in the Test squad. But for now Brown is speaking with
a forked tonge in Native American parlance. I am sure Brown could make a compelling argument of any of those Jamaicans you listed
Some folks say one's passport is vital. I could care less.....If alive I'll be watching some hockey to go along with marbles
imusic
2018-08-30 15:05:55
In reply to hubert
Even hockey more interesting...and certainly infinitely better administrated han West Indies cricket
Yet...the emotional ties to West Indies cricket are So strong....I simply cant totally let go
So yes...it DOES matter which players represent us. The whole situation with West Indies cricket is sad.
hubert
2018-08-30 15:28:32
Slipfeeler
2018-08-30 15:38:40
In reply to Dukes
Samuels will always be a better batsman than any of your top order or middle order batsmen and he has two World cup MVPs to prove it.
nick2020
2018-08-30 16:12:10
In reply to imusic
Soca cricket flop.
Coucou cricket soon flop too.
Maispwi
2018-08-30 22:18:19
How does CWI expect Regional cricket to improve if the best players for one reason or another are not available for major Regional Tournaments? And who but a philanthropist wud sponsor a regional Tournament with the most marketable players missing
brians_da_best
2018-08-31 11:27:30
In reply to Seechy
Now why would you drop dowrich who was just MOM in the home series? And replace him with someone who struggled to average 25 over a long failed career?
jelfew
2018-08-31 13:10:26
I really think the squad is the best we can come up with at this time. My only question mark would be against Bishoo but is there a better leg spinner in the WI now? Do we go for another quickie instead?
buds
2018-08-31 16:25:02
In reply to Seechy
Sheldon Cottrell cannot make this team? Brung is an Idiot.