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HEADLINE: Law Was A Failure!
CaribbeanCricket.com
2018-10-01 06:28:02
"Cricket West Indies should ponder the wisdom of wasting money in the hiring of these highly paid foreign coaches, without getting the commensurate returns." Andy Roberts
The narrative dominating the analysis of the performance of recently resigned head coach of the West Indies cricket team, Stuart Law, as it relates to improving the fortunes of the Test team, has been instructive, to say the least, in helping us to better understand the extent of the quagmire we find ourselves in.
Why is there even a debate whether a Windies cricket coach is a success when his record of guiding the team in 15 Test matches shows him winning six, losing seven, and drawing two, with an ordinary 40 per cent win ratio, and a 46 per cent loss ratio? The Windies are also still ranked an embarrassing number eight of 10 Test-playing nations, only above Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Yet, Law's name is being mentioned in the same sentence as success, showing the desperate depths to which our standards have fallen.
Considering that the results and rankings of the Windies have plummeted in the other two versions of the game to all-time lows, all things considered, Stuart Law should be unceremoniously chased out of town as an abysmal failure, instead of being softly celebrated as some kind of success.
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CITYBOY
2018-10-01 06:56:31
Hola.....et al...ha..ha...as someone says on this board..""if ah laff ah gon fart"""..well something to that effect..
I cant remember writing this article(lol)...Cityboy has been saying these same words and have been of the opinion since the hiring of Law that he is not up to the work..
Good he is gone...but he still leaves behind a bunch of incompetent nincompoops..WHO MUST EITHER BE ASKED TO LEAVE OR BE FIRED>
Jimmy ADams must be fired...he is not up to the work..debate finished....and we must dismantle all coaching staff and selectors...yup Browne days must be over...
with the results we are getting how can these be PAID positions with some of the most incompetent nincompoops our administration/cricket has ever experienced..
Calling right now..Jimmy Adams..Courtney Browne and support staff to be asked to leave....
Jimmy Adams has some fancy title ..ha ha.
Adios
CB
Slipfeeler
2018-10-01 09:15:09
In reply to CITYBOY
Let say it again, there is a tendency in this region to alienate our cricket professionals while embracing foreigners who have no commitment to West Indies cricket. Many local coaches overlooked.
carl0002
2018-10-01 10:37:50
There is a tendency for our players to disrespect their own countrymen as coaches, to the point of outright rebellion in some cases. We need not get into what Andy Roberts, Malcolm Marshall(may he rest in peace), Roger Harper, Augustine Logie (well.... never mind) to name just a few, had to endure as coaches of the WI team. And there is no doubt that these men were committed to WI cricket. There is more than enough blame on both sides. The administration literally had to seek out professional foreign coaches to at least garner some attention from our so called players. Some of you need to at least be aware of some history before you spout your bs. smh.
CITYBOY
2018-10-01 10:37:54
In reply to Slipfeeler
Hola...Slipster..I have no issues with a foreigner getting the job..look around thats happening also in other countries..
truth is there is no one from the West indies capable of performing this role...not because they are not competent...but because a West Indian will not listen to a West Indian..and they will just skylark...reading the riot act would be very difficult..ah suh it does guh.
adios
CB
natty_forever
2018-10-01 10:39:02
Long time Natty saying to run the Law out a town, and give the deputy a shot!
carl0002
2018-10-01 10:45:28
In reply to Slipfeeler
Many local coaches overlooked.
Pick your medicine-Overlook the local coach or have the players overlook the coach. Which one would you choose.
Kay
2018-10-01 10:48:45
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
"Cricket West Indies should ponder the wisdom of wasting money in the hiring of these highly paid foreign coaches, without getting the commensurate returns." Andy Roberts
How do we know this is true if no figure is provided for in this case Law vs the last West Indian coach? I hope Andy is not using his salary from the dinosaur age as a comparator...
natty_forever
2018-10-01 10:50:57
In reply to carl0002… I choose to "pick" players that won't overlook the coach!
carl0002
2018-10-01 10:58:16
In reply to natty_forever
Man that's a convenient position for you to take now since its completely impossible to re-visit such a position. But you might soon get an opportunity to test that philosophy.
natty_forever
2018-10-01 11:10:09
In reply to carl0002
weak administration, allows the players to rule.
POINT
2018-10-01 11:19:42
In reply to Slipfeeler
Look I am on record in this Forum continuously stating what you have stated here .
THE STARK TRUTH REGARDING CRICKET IN
THE REGION IS THAT SINCE THE GENESIS
OF THE WICBC/CWI AS THE GOVERNING
ENTITY FOR CRICKET IN THE REGION
THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WEST
INDIES HAVE BLUNTLY REFUSE TO
CHANGE ITS STRUCTURE & ITS MODUS
OPERANDI .
This is despite bamboozling the
General Public by occasionally
appointing several Reports which
they then swiftly Ignore .
They have done this due to their
many CHARLATANS IN THE MEDIA , who
bluntly refuse to criticize those
in the governance of West Indies
Cricket .
CRITICISM MUST ALSO BE LEVELED TO
THOSE GOVERNMENTS IN THE REGION
WHO HAVE ALLIED THEMSELVES WITH
THE WORST INTERNATIONAL CRICKET
BOARD IN THE COMMONWEALTH WHOSE
ACRONYM IS THE WICBC/CWI .
Insanity is generally described as
doing the same thing over & over
with the Hope & Expectation of
getting a Different Outcome .
Obviously then One has to conclude
that those in the governance of Cricket in the Region are possibly
not only Insane , but are unaware of the fact that they are Insane .
It is possible that this is due to
the fact that their Sycophants are
afraid to inform them that :
THEY ARE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM
REGARDING NOT ONLY WEST INDIES
CRICKET ; BUT ALSO THE
COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR PLAYERS IN
THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET ARENA .
carl0002
2018-10-01 11:22:33
In reply to natty_forever
weak administration, allows the players to rule.
I am glad you have the luxury of changing whatever leg you can stand on to suit any position you take. smh
natty_forever
2018-10-01 11:26:54
In reply to carl0002… always was my stance! Remember this analogy: The players are the children, the administrators parents, so if the parent allows the child to be spoilt, rude and does not follow rules, who should be blamed?
POINT
2018-10-01 12:25:50
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
I find it very interesting that most
people who claim to be Sports Journalists in the Region ; relish
taking their Orders from the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC/CWI.
ACTUALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE ORDER
DO NOT CRITICIZE THE WICBC/CWI .
ANY OTHER CRITICISM IS FAIR GAME .
The problem with this is the fact
that it is the WICBC/CWI that is at
the very Heart of the regarding
Cricket in the Region .
UNLESS THIS IS SERIOUSLY ADDRESSED
CRICKET IN THE REGION IS GOING TO
GET WORSE UNTIL OR UNLESS THERE ARE
SERIOUS STRUCTURAL CHANGES IN THE
ADMINISTRATION OF CRICKET IN THE
REGION .
Since its formation in 1928 the
Worst International Cricket Board
in the Commonwealth has not yet
come to the Realization , that It
is the Problem ; and therefore cannot honestly be the Solution
since it has refused to willingly
undertake serious Structural Changes .
carl0002
2018-10-01 12:46:03
In reply to natty_forever
I am sure you have another anology that says you cant treat big men like little children. Again you just change the leg you standing to suit the position.
nick2020
2018-10-01 14:47:33
In reply to natty_forever
Fascinating though that we have had so many coaching failures.
DIEHARD
2018-10-01 16:30:59
In reply to carl0002
They are not mutually exclusive positions.
Respect begets respect, treat the professional like a professional, and when he does not act like a professional, then he's replaced.
It's about open clear honest respectful communication, not micromanagement
tc1
2018-10-01 16:39:33
'The narrative" originally
carl0002
2018-10-01 16:50:40
In reply to DIEHARD
I am not sure what you are getting at here. Please be a bit more specific so I can respond. Thanks
DIEHARD
2018-10-01 20:57:23
In reply to carl0002
Holding them accountable and treating them like schoolchildren are not the same thing
For e.g.,
U don't tell Shiv how to bat, that's micromanagement, u back him when he goes out to the crease, to do what he's always done, but he understands that he has a certain amount of training sessions he must turn up for, for e.g., and failure to turn up to the required amount leads to losing his space on the team.. accountability
POINT
2018-10-01 21:45:06
In reply to Slipfeeler
Evidently YOU must be Rip Van Winkle's
son ; because I have been stating what
You have stated for many years in this
Forum .
WELL AS THE ADAGE STATES :
" BETTER LATE THAN NEVER ".
Those in the governance fail to realize this freaking fact :
THEY ARE THE PROBLEM REGARDING OUR
PLAYERS NON COMPETITIVENESS IN THE
LONGER FORMATS OF THE GAME .
The Stark truth is that the Standard
of Cricket in the Region is definitely below what is required to
be fully competitive in the International Cricket Arena .
THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET
FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THE CARDINAL RULE
P6 ; WHICH IS THIS ACRONYM .
" PROPER PREPARATION PREVENTS
PISS POOR PERFORMANCES ".
What is truly sad is that the People
in the governance of West Indies Cricket have utterly failed to realize the fact that the Standard of Cricket in the Region is Piss Poor ; and there seems to be absolutely no acknowledgement not only regarding this fact ; but any attempt to raise the standard of
Cricket in the Region .
Worse yet , those in the Region who
claim to be Sports Journalists refuse to utter nary a word of Criticism regarding the WICBC/CWI
FAILURES to seriously address this
very serious and important Problem .
JoeGrine
2018-10-02 03:22:40
Why is there even a debate whether a Windies cricket captain is a success when his record of guiding the team in 15 Test matches shows him winning six, losing seven, and drawing two, with an ordinary 40 per cent win ratio, and a 46 per cent loss ratio? The Windies are also still ranked an embarrassing number eight of 10 Test-playing nations, only above Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Yet, Holder's name is being mentioned in the same sentence as success, showing the desperate depths to which our standards have fallen.
doosra
2018-10-02 06:53:43
same ppl who dis faren coaches applauding gibson/rsa, jimmy/kent, simmons/afghanistan, cetera