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Is Bumrah a chucker?

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 09:59:02 

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Need some clarification becaude de man action does look reel iffy

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Oilah 2018-12-28 10:28:47 

Looks clean to me. Looks as if his shoulder and elbow can bend more than normal in the opposite direction so he is like a coil that explodes on release allowing him to generate great pace on what is essentially a spinners run-up. Bumrah is the most unique fast bowler I have ever seen.

 
Toney 2018-12-28 11:05:49 

In reply to Jumpstart

Yes. So does Pakistan's Shaheen Shah .

 
Bigzinc 2018-12-28 11:05:54 

In reply to Oilah

bumrah getting a bum rap???

 
silver 2018-12-28 11:08:32 

In reply to Jumpstart

How come you didn't ask that question before he got some wickets

 
goofballs 2018-12-28 11:21:24 

In reply to silver

lol lol lol

 
Khaga 2018-12-28 11:24:16 

In reply to Bigzinc

Very substantive contribution from a veteran cricket fan..

 
runout 2018-12-28 11:24:27 

45 wickets from 9 test matches for the year, and counting...clocking speeds of 140+ regularly.

Seen the Aussie opener get hit twice on the head. That is some searing pace.

His run up is strange...his delivery looks disorganized, but he is deceptively wicked. Ask Shaun Marsh.
lol

 
goofballs 2018-12-28 11:25:10 

In reply to Oilah

Looks as if his shoulder and elbow can bend more than normal in the opposite direction so he is like a coil that explodes on release allowing him to generate great pace on what is essentially a spinners run-up.


I think that is almost equivalent to what the physicist would call torque, with his angular method uncoiling and generating a lot of force.

P.S. I didn't do post grad physics.

 
goofballs 2018-12-28 11:30:49 

Didn't the cricket computer experts question the Malignant one as he was cleaning up people with his toe breaking yorkers?
Just because he was a little different with his round arm action.
Like I said somewhere, just because people a little different from you doesn't mean they are bad, illegal or need to be eliminated!!

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 11:53:49 

In reply to silver
Dude I've been asking that question since the 2016 asia cup

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 12:08:31 

In reply to goofballs

Malinga's action is actually very clean. He just happens to deliver from side on rather than upright, like an exaggerated version of jeff thomson.Link Text There is a 15 degree limit for hyper extensions and many fast bowlers make use of it to add extra pace. Morne Morkel is a guy i immediately think of. At one point in his action he looks like if he's throwing. But if you view it from the front, the bending is almost minimal, max its about 6-8 degrees of hyper extension. If you look at the bending of Shoaib Akhtar however, you see something completely differentLink Text
Quite frankly, and this is being dispassionate,their points of delivery look similar and the only reason shoaib wasn't sanctioned was because the pcb threatened numerous times to pull out of international tournaments.
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Remember the peak of the action forms is an angle that can be measured to determine if the fifteen degrees of flex is being exceeded. Umpires are the first line of defense and if they don't call you, then nothing happens. Umpires do not determine whether the person is a chucker, a biomechanics expert does that.

 
goofballs 2018-12-28 12:16:25 

In reply to Jumpstart

True.
My POINT is that because someone has a different style of praying, eating or even bowling like a round arm or torque like action does not necessarily make them illegal or bad.

 
sunfish 2018-12-28 12:18:53 

It's hard to tell from watching the TV but some deliveries appear jerky. Not the cleanest action I've ever seen..

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 12:22:16 

I agree with you totally, Brett Lee's action actually looks worse and he was markedly slower when he first arrived on the scene

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goofballs 2018-12-28 12:26:04 

In reply to Jumpstart

Holding was great as usual explaining the angles re Shoaib Akhtar in that video.

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 12:29:29 

In reply to goofballs

Holding is a genius. I don't agree with a few of his opinions but nobody explains cricket on a technical level better than him. The only person who comes close is Bish. I think it has alot to do with the fact that holding comes from a technical background pre-cricket and he's one of the most educated of all the current commentators. I think he was a programmer by profession

 
Runs 2018-12-28 12:30:20 

I saw Ishant chuck a few in this test match lol

 
BeatDball 2018-12-28 12:36:02 

In reply to Oilah Looks clean to me.

confused

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 12:37:53 

In reply to Runs
I actually think the throwing issue now has more to do with board room politics than anything else. As i said before, Brett Lee and Sjhoaib Akhtar were two of the biggest offenders to me and they weren't called. Guys in the 70s and 80s reached close to and, as in the case of thomson, exceeded the speeds those guys bowled at and their actions could stand the scrutiny of a slow motion examination. Which is why I'm of the personal belief that more attention should be placed on pacers because only they present a safety issue which is the spirit behind the chucking laws. Even the law itself is muddled in technicalities that make it difficult for anybody in administration fully police because 95% of bowlers exhibit some sort of flex

 
Runs 2018-12-28 12:49:14 

In reply to Jumpstart

Once the eye can see it and one can call it in real time, that is all that is needed. The big powers skewered the rules to favor their chuckers er bowlers.

The process is totally flawed cool

 
BeatDball 2018-12-28 13:09:31 

In reply to Jumpstart Few CWC ago, Shoaib Akhtar pelted out SLankan's Jawardene! To me, it was plain & straight.

cry

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 15:28:45 

In reply to BeatDball

I remember in the 1999 World Cup, Akhtar delivered a ball to Sherwin Campbell. Campbell really missed the ball totally, but it hit the outside edge of the bat and went for six........never seen anything like that before or since

 
NewsJunkie 2018-12-28 15:29:12 

In reply to Jumpstart

Bringing in Akhtar to this discussion muddies up things. Lot of pace bowlers in cricket have had hyper-extension in their elbows - Akhtar is one, RP Singh another, so is Bumrah. Difference is that Akhtar regularly used his hyper-extension to hide his pelting. Guys like RP Singh and Bumrah do not. Michael Holding broke it down in nicely in a video, doing a side by side comparison of RP Singh and Akhtar.

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 15:54:48 

In reply to NewsJunkie

I believe I mentioned that in an earlier post when I cited the case of Morne Morkel. The fact is a bowler can use hyper extensions every ball once it does not exceed 15 degrees of flex. That can easily be determined by a measurement of the angle at the crest of the action. The reason I mentioned akhtar is because at the crest of Bumrah ‘s action, his hand looks remarkably similar to Shoaib

 
Khaga 2018-12-28 17:34:32 

In reply to Jumpstart

Nobody was subjected to as much scrutiny as Muthiah Muralitharan was and ICC Cricket committee realized a lot. Michael Holding (who loved to run his mouth) had to shut up after he was part of the committee that reviewed the chucking laws..

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 18:18:59 

In reply to Khaga

Holding didn’t report murali.

 
Khaga 2018-12-28 18:45:09 

In reply to Jumpstart

He brayed a lot until he was part of the review committee..I will dig up the link and post.

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 19:05:31 

In reply to Khaga
Good. But in the meantime, further evidence
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Like every time I see a slo mo it gets worse
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Norm 2018-12-28 22:00:50 

When next will Jumstart umpire a match?

Bumrah, with his stiff-arm action and incredible pace, is a very rare phenomenon. Enjoy it, instead of trying to sling mud without cause at the guy.

There are a few Trinis with dubious actions, who have actually been called, playing in the T20 leagues around the world. How about spending some time slinging mud at them?

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-28 22:56:05 

In reply to Norm

Two trinis have been called, Narine and cooper and Narine has not been called in years and that is totally irrelevant to our conversation. Hoss I just presented the evidence from YouTube

 
Eightpack 2018-12-28 23:02:30 

His normal deliveries are good. A blind man can see he is pelting the short ball.

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-29 06:30:33 

In reply to Eightpack
Exactly

 
BeatDball 2018-12-29 09:04:18 

In reply to Eightpack Hmmm...short balls...never pondered them. Makes sense. I guess chances are that any bowler, bowling a short ball needs scrutiny if he's suspect.

cool

 
Headley 2018-12-29 09:31:43 

In reply to Jumpstart

You sir are explaining the law, which is a relief because very few seem to think it is relevant. As you noted the determination has to be made by a biomechanical expert - using slow motion equipment.

Other posters are discussing whether a bowler looks suspicious or 'jerky'. I do not know wtf jerky has to do with anything.

Khaga is over in 'Loonyland' venting his 40 year old pent-up animosity against Holding and Sabina Park.

 
sgtdjones 2018-12-29 09:36:24 

In reply to Headley

Khaga is over in 'Loonyland' venting his 40 year old pent-up animosity against Holding and Sabina Park.


Charlotte st Headley

Dem mawning walks in Yardie land did you well.

You on song dis mawning. Must be de 'omen ya saw.

lol lol lol

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-29 11:25:38 

As I said before chucking to me now is more a political thing. Taskin Ahmed was called and convicted of throwing and his action looks cleaner than Bumrah’s own

 
Jumpstart 2018-12-29 11:30:13 

In reply to Headley

Thank you. The law is the law and the fact is that quite a few pacers pre-Bumrah Have been allowed to throw. Brett lee and Shoaib being the biggest offenders. Almost every short ball during that spell in QPO to me was a illegal ball and that I could tell you is the fastest I’ve ever seen someone bowl/ chuck on QPO. The proof to me is cats like Patrick Patterson who had strange actions never aroused suspicions and he in particular at times bowled as quick as Thomson

 
Eightpack 2018-12-30 01:28:43 

In reply to BeatDball

Zulu he is pelting the short ball hard lol. I am surprised the umpires are not calling him out.

 
XDFIX 2018-12-30 13:56:22 

In reply to Jumpstart

holding comes from a technical background pre-cricket and he's one of the most educated of all the current commentators. I think he was a programmer by profession


Are you sure about that?

Holding is not from a technical background - kicking down wickets don't count! If anything, he has soft skills!

 
natty_forever 2018-12-31 10:24:07 

In reply to Jumpstart… here wondering maself.

 
Khaga 2018-12-31 10:38:16 

In reply to natty_forever

I have no doubts left then.. lol

 
Bigzinc 2018-12-31 11:20:06 

In reply to Khaga

Bumrah the chucker
Kohli the Wanker




so it goes

 
natty_forever 2018-12-31 11:58:55 

In reply to Khaga

lol lol lol

 
ducks 2019-01-02 00:43:34 

In reply to Jumpstart

I think Holding drop out of university to play cricket

 
natty_forever 2019-01-02 07:49:02 

In reply to ducks… don't think so.

 
Jumpstart 2019-01-02 08:35:24 

In reply to ducks

Nah, holding worked as a programmer for Barclays Bank in Jamaica until 1979. He played a few seasons of first class cricket in between but he left barclays in 79.

 
googley 2019-01-03 10:10:23 

Let me quote poster Point...

YOU ARE INSINUATING THAT THE UMPIRES

WERE EITHER BLIND OR IGNORANT OF THE

RULES OF CRICKET , REGARDING BOWLERS .

In essence YOU are giving People the
impression that ALL those Umpires
were either biased towards these Bowlers , or were being paid to be
lenient on the bowling actions of these Players .