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Granger government wants to hang onto office.
Narper
2018-12-28 12:32:50
Leader of the Opposition Bharrat Jagdeo said yesterday that based on intelligence the PPP has gathered, Government is looking at six options to hang onto office.
He told the media outside Freedom House in Georgetown that the party deposited a letter at Chief Justice Roxane George’s office asking to be heard on any ex parte arrangements put forward by the government to stay last Friday’s no-confidence motion against the government.
“We believe that the judiciary must not engage in any action that could violate what is so explicit in our constitution and it is explicit that Government must resign or else we will have a judicial coup reversing what took place in Parliament. We cannot have that. The constitution is clear.”….
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Runs
2018-12-28 12:35:22
In reply to Narper
Well this puts an end to that.
Clerk of the National Assembly Sherlock Isaacs has confirmed the validity of the Opposition-sponsored no-confidence motion, telling this media group on Thursday that he has certified the vote.
In fact, Isaacs also made it clear that he will not be conducting a review of the decision.
But outspoken political commentator Christopher Ram is at a loss as to why last Friday’s vote is being questioned, alluding that 33 out of 65 constitute a majority.
“What is a majority? A majority is the greater number or the greater part so if you’re saying 34 is the majority then what are we saying? that we have 66 members in the National Assembly or do you take away their seats? It defies logic and it defies law,” Ram opined
Narper
2018-12-28 12:47:44
Government has decided that if the Speaker of the National Assembly, Dr. Barton Scotland does not respond favourably to its concerns about the validity of Friday’s passage of a no confidence motion against it, it will take the matter to court, well-placed sources said last evening.
Stabroek News was told that this was one of the decisions made by cabinet yesterday.
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Emir
2018-12-28 12:54:20
In reply to Narper
I hope they can find a legitimate/legal way to stay the vote of confidence. It just doesn't seem like the right thing for Guyana at this point in time.
Let the government continue their full term- the voters need to decide if to change them, not some cooked up for no confidence
Narper
2018-12-28 12:55:28
In reply to Emir
STFU dumbass !!!!
Runs
2018-12-28 13:59:31
Were the result in parliament to be 33 for PNCR/AFC and 32 for PPPC; would the government then state categorically that the PNCR/AFC has failed because the number of votes needed is .. 34 ?
Narper
2018-12-28 14:24:02
In reply to Runs
I can't believe Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are subscribing to this nonesense.
The government had adequate notice of the no confidence motion...It was thoroughly debated by those appointed to debate on both sides...it was sent to a vote....all done according to the constitution of Guyana. Now they want to debate what a majority is?
All the praise the government received for maturely accepting the the outcome of the no confidence vote is rapidly evaporating.
Ole Jimmy Carter is needed again.
ray
2018-12-28 14:29:44
In reply to Emir
ah told you to keep your old raggedy skont away from Guyana politics and focus on the murderers in T & T
Runs
2018-12-28 15:04:37
In reply to Narper
True sad situation
Kay
2018-12-28 15:43:10
Wow … simple maths really tough for these people
Emir
2018-12-28 15:56:42
In reply to Narper
This is really getting under your skin that you have the resort to your little sissy ways eh. 
Narper
2018-12-28 16:48:06
In reply to Emir
If you behave like a dumbass I will treat you like one.
The facts of this issue have been elaborated in many newspaper articles posted by many posters...yet you continue to demonstrate total ignorance of the issue...and continue to spout ill informed and biased nonsense in your every post.
BeatDball
2018-12-28 16:49:15
In reply to ray
nickoutr
2018-12-28 19:21:44
In reply to Narper
Yawnnnn!!! what else is new ... beat the 28 year old record
Norm
2018-12-28 19:30:50
In reply to Emir
I hope they can find a legitimate/legal way to stay the vote of confidence. It just doesn't seem like the right thing for Guyana at this point in time.
What is the right thing for Guyana at this time? Set aside democracy to allow your favored group to continue to be incompetent?
goofballs
2018-12-28 21:22:04
In reply to Norm
Now vested interests are clamoring that democracy is not democratic.
Norm
2018-12-28 21:47:37
In reply to goofballs
Now vested interests are clamoring that democracy is not democratic.
This lot really believed that they could bully everyone, including their own "allies" in the coalition. Why else would a prominent member of the PNC declare, "Only PNC member will get jobs from this government"?
If they had any smarts at all, they would have recognized how tenuous a 1-person majority was, and would have paid due attention to each and every one of their members of Parliament.
But ... no! They were the PNC. They could dictate and bully without impunity.
Fortunately for Guyana, those days are gone now. Let us hope that the likes of Volda are expelled from the PNC and all other parties. No more crab-dog politics, intended to install and maintain rule over all the people by the most backward elements in Guyana.
ToTrini
2018-12-28 23:37:04
In reply to Narper
Why are you wasting your time on Emir
steveo
2018-12-28 23:42:42
Charrandas was bribed, no evidence presented
Norm
2018-12-29 00:10:06
In reply to steveo
Even if Charandass should suddenly claim that he was bribed, that could not change the vote.
These attempts to overturn democracy just show what the PNC really is at its core. Aubrey Norton, Volda, etc, should all be kicked out of the PNC, when this settles down and no one could prove that Charandass acted illegally, or even improperly.
What is clear is that government members of Parliament threatened Charandass's life, and physically and verbally abused him in Parliament, while he was performing his duties.
Guyana badly needs a new generation of pragmatic politicians.
sgtdjones
2018-12-29 09:20:23
bravos
2018-12-29 09:43:03
In reply to stdjones
Buzzing round looking for some Guyanese hardwood I see,it's Trini sluts like you that give good Trini women of all races a bad name!!
Rope eeen Snoop!!!
sgtdjones
2018-12-29 09:45:01
bravos
2018-12-29 09:50:49
In reply to stdjones
And you stay at balls level in between these Guyanese men,keep looking up stdjones.. 
sgtdjones
2018-12-29 10:01:08
In reply to bravos
Referring to a male as female?
Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident in their dumb decisions.
Insults and swearing are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
bravos
2018-12-29 10:07:38
In reply to stdjones
You make it easy to insult std,and keep copying and pasting std..
sgtdjones
2018-12-29 10:16:54
In reply to bravos
To copy and paste one must be able to read and comprehend,
unfortunately, we all don't have such abilities. Sadly, such is beyond you.
So then it becomes easy, as silence is the best response to a fool.
I don't wake up every day to impress judgemental hypocrites
like you.You know what "Life" is? Go get one. You need it
Narper
2018-12-29 11:55:25
Jagdeo meets with diplomatic community on threat to democracy
Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo met with diplomats from the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada and the European Union on Friday, as the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) shared its concerns following the recent no-confidence resolution and its expectations for the next 90 days.
In an interview with the media following the one-hour long meeting, Jagdeo noted that he outlined to the diplomatic community that if elections are not held within the timeframe stipulated by the Constitution, the Government will be considered an illegitimate and unconstitutional one.
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Narper
2018-12-29 11:57:26
The constitution:
Article 106 (6) of the Constitution states: “The Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of a majority of all the elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.”
Meanwhile, clause 7 goes on to state that “Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months, or such longer period as the National Assembly shall by resolution supported by not less than two-thirds of the votes of all the elected members of the National Assembly determine, and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”
Runs
2018-12-29 12:00:23
In reply to Narper
Guyana is being looked at very closely, signs of undemocratic principles rearing its ugly head and being egged on by unscrupulous politicians and others.
Narper
2018-12-29 12:30:57
The Constitution says after a no-confidence vote is passed, elections must be held within 90 days unless both sides of the National Assembly agree to an extension. However, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo is against such an extension except for very limited reasons.
In an interview with the media after a meeting of the Executive Committee, Jagdeo was asked about this proviso. He noted that the only way he could foresee an extension was to accommodate the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM)… and a limited extension at that. He referenced some examples of this.
“Can we hold the elections; would GECOM be ready in 90 days’ time? We believe GECOM can be ready, but assuming GECOM needs time, like two weeks’ time or a month more, then that could be a possibility.”
“But only then the National Assembly could legitimately reconvene, because that is explicitly spoken about in Article 106 and 106, 7; that with a two-thirds vote in the National Assembly you can extend the three months period. But it has to be done with our approval.”
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Narper
2018-12-29 12:35:44
In reply to Runs
This is the PNC in full force. AFC's Trotman is PNC too.
I want to hear from AFC's Nagamooto and Ramjattan now.
I want to hear from Rupert Roopnarine. I don't know if he is still WPA.
bravos
2018-12-29 17:24:36
In reply to stdjones
Muddy balls hitting your head giving you a concussion and amnesia? Lol...
nickoutr
2018-12-29 17:52:42
In reply to Narper
I want to hear from AFC's Nagamooto and Ramjattan now.
I hope they enjoy their 30 pieces of silver
Runs
2018-12-29 18:51:59
Economic inequality has only ever been rectified by warfare, revolution, state collapse and plague.
Emir
2018-12-30 09:08:46
In reply to bravos
That character need professional help Bravs.
Narper
2018-12-30 09:10:00
AFC Chairman Khemraj Ramjattan on Friday said that the party agrees that all options must be pursued to sort out the raging controversy surrounding the December 21 passage of the no-confidence motion against the APNU+AFC government but stopped short of saying whether the party supports the argument that 34 votes and not 33 was required for the motion to be carried.
“The party didn’t argue that specifically. The party says everything that is legal and legitimate, we must pursue and the lawyers will have a handle in that and that is what we are doing,” Ramjattan told the Sunday Stabroek when asked if the party supports the argument, first raised by former AFC Chairman Nigel Hughes.
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Narper
2018-12-30 09:13:28
When the AFC submitted a no-confidence motion against the Donald Ramotar government in 2014, the party had calculated that 33 votes in the 65-member National Assembly would be needed for the motion to succeed, according to political commentator Christopher Ram.
Labelling as “illogical” and “dangerous,” a view articulated by attorney Nigel Hughes – a former chairman of the AFC – that 34 votes were needed for the December 21 no-confidence motion against the David Granger administration to be successful, Ram has called on the AFC to reaffirm its acceptance of the results.
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Runs
2018-12-30 09:13:45
In reply to Narper
These guys are showing dictatorial tendencies
Narper
2018-12-30 09:28:26
— gov’t argues that 34 constitutes a majority
— questions legitimacy of a Canadian citizen voting in Guyana’s Parliament
THE government has compiled a number of compelling arguments to prove that the no-confidence motion, though declared ‘passed’, is null, void, and of no effect on the basis that the opposition did not secure a majority in the National Assembly; and the voting process was further compromised by the involvement of an individual who holds allegiance to a foreign power.
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Narper
2018-12-30 09:50:04
Proof of bribery for no-confidence vote could have serious implications – PM Nagamootoo
Dec 28, 2018 Government, News, Office of the Prime Minister
– “We accepted the ruling of the speaker, because as an Attorney-at-Law when a judge makes a ruling, you accept the ruling until you’re able to have that ruling withdrawn”
– Speaker of the House will also have to consider whether a simple 33 or 34 votes were needed for the motion to be carried
DPI, Guyana, Friday, December 28, 2018
Prime Minister, Moses Nagamootoo today said that Speaker of the National Assembly Dr. Barton Scotland will have to review allegations that the vote by former Member of Parliament, Charrandass Persaud last Friday was procured by unlawful means.
To persons questioning the government’s decision to accept the ruling last Friday, the Prime Minister said the government made a decision to prevent disorder.
“We accepted the ruling of the speaker, because as an Attorney-at-Law when a judge makes a ruling, you accept the ruling until you’re able to have that ruling withdrawn, those are things a court would do if it found it had been in error,” he said.
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sgtdjones
2018-12-30 12:02:35
In reply to Narper
These losers are grabbing at straws....
A majority means anything more than half, accepted in law worldwide. The Government accepted the decision.
If this member was a citizen of a foreign country, and should the constitution not allow such, think of all what he voted for that was passed in the assembly, if it did not have a majority is now void.
What a can of worms they are opening.
Narper
2019-01-02 23:06:28
President and Cabinet should have resigned immediately, caretaker gov’t now in place – Ram
Attorney Christopher Ram says that the mandatory language of Article 106 (6) of the constitution required that the President and Cabinet resign immediately on the passage of the December 21 motion of no confidence.
This resignation under Article 106 (6), brings to a halt their functions, including aiding and advising the President in the general direction and control of the Government, proposing legislation, reviewing of contracts over fifteen million dollars and the making of appointments. They can no longer meet as a Cabinet but there is nothing to prevent the former members meeting and offering advice to the President informally.
While the Constitution is silent on the specific date for the resignation under Article 106 (6), for the reason set out below, that resignation seems to be automatic, or intended to be with immediate effect. In any case, Article 232 (9) provides that the Interpretation and General Clauses Act (ICGA) shall apply for the purpose of interpreting the Constitution. Since no time is prescribed therefore, section 39 of the ICGA provides that “where no time is prescribed within which anything shall be done, such thing shall be done with all convenient speed.”
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Runs
2019-01-03 06:52:55
26 foreigners in parliament, from both sides
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rockstarxxx
2019-01-03 07:52:08
I bet if the PPP was in power and the no-confidence vote was passed, people would of take the streets.
dayne
2019-01-03 08:02:27
After this mess is over the Country should make an amendment to the constitution, the no confidence Vote should be 34 or 35 votes to be effective. The reason why, it takes many people to give one Party a majority, even if the number is only 33 to 32 majority, however at the moment it takes only one person to make a no-confidence vote effective, no one person should have that amount of power.
Emir
2019-01-03 08:10:51
In reply to dayne
a no-confidence vote effective, no one person should have that amount of power.
And it is why there could be grounds to take a look into this fiasco. The Charrandas creature should be investigated- did he conspire with the opposition and other crooks to undermine his own party?
steveo
2019-01-03 08:21:42
In reply to rockstarxxx
I bet if the PPP was in power and the no-confidence vote was passed, people would of take the streets.
Indo houses would be in flames, people would have been slaughtered
steveo
2019-01-03 08:23:38
In reply to dayne
After this mess is over the Country should make an amendment to the constitution, the no confidence Vote should be 34 or 35 votes to be effective. The reason why, it takes many people to give one Party a majority, even if the number is only 33 to 32 majority, however at the moment it takes only one person to make a no-confidence vote effective, no one person should have that amount of power.
Dude only in your mind is one person, its 33 person representing over half the population. Why do you think the govt is afraid of elections, because they have the support to win?
Runs
2019-01-03 08:35:24
In reply to steveo
Narper
2019-01-03 09:48:04
In reply to dayne
After this mess is over the Country should make an amendment to the constitution, the no confidence Vote should be 34 or 35 votes to be effective. The reason why, it takes many people to give one Party a majority, even if the number is only 33 to 32 majority, however at the moment it takes only one person to make a no-confidence vote effective, no one person should have that amount of power.
Didn't the coalition party win the 2015 elections by a mere 4000 votes?
How many people does Charandas represent?
BeatDball
2019-01-03 10:12:53
A duh huh uh to this title!
googley
2019-01-03 10:18:11
In reply to Narper
Granger government wants to hang onto office.
You sure about that headline?
maybe the man meant he want his gov't to be hanged in their office
dayne
2019-01-03 10:22:33
In reply to Narper
Did Charandas consult with his supporters before he made that vote? I doubt it, the system is flawed and it need fixing.
Runs
2019-01-03 10:24:49
In reply to dayne
Did you listen to his press conference?
googley
2019-01-03 10:35:04
In reply to dayne
how you know he didnt?
dayne
2019-01-03 13:22:25
In reply to googley
The way most Politicians operate is that' they consult with advisers and rearly with supporters after they have been elected.
Runs
2019-01-03 13:54:15
Speaker says his motion stands
if courts want advise otherwise e open to zat
elections in 90 days or 2/3 gafo vote to delay
Narper
2019-01-03 20:53:58
Speaker of the National Assembly, Dr Barton Scotland today refused to review his decision that a motion of no-confidence was passed against the APNU+AFC government on December 21st.
His declaration came this afternoon at a scheduled sitting of the National Assembly which was boycotted by the opposition PPP/C
Scotland said that the issues arising from the passage of the motion must “cause us to look outside of Parliament for answers”.
He recommended that the matter be taken to court for a final determination.
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Narper
2019-01-03 21:01:35
two former Speakers of the Trinidad and Tobago Parliament have held out that 33 votes out of 65 constitute a majority, with one calling on the President David Granger-led Government to resign and call fresh elections.
However, in an interview with Guyana Times on Wednesday, former Deputy Speaker (1995-2000; 2010-2011), Dr Faud Khan who has also acted in the post of Speaker, clearly outlined that 33 votes surpassed the 50 per cent mark.
“If that had occurred on my watch while I was sitting in the chair, it would have been obvious that it would be more than 50 per cent of the vote that would have carried the motion and from what I gather, 32.5 is the 50 per cent mark and 33 votes go over the 50 per cent and as a result of that, this carries the vote into the no-confidence realm. Thirty-four makes no sense because you’re creating an issue that really and truly doesn’t exist. Once the vote is carried, then the no-confidence is carried,” Dr Khan postulated.
former Trinidad and Tobago House Speaker (1986-1991), Nizam Mohammed who posited that 33 votes out of 65 reflect a majority
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Some have argued that 33 is a simple majority while 34 would be an absolute majority but the former Speaker indicated that ‘majority’ was the key word as Guyana’s Constitution makes no mention of ‘simple’ or absolute. Article 106 (6) of the Constitution in fact states:
“The Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of a majority of all the elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.” Mohammed highlighted that the term ‘half’ was not expressed. “The ordinary interpretation is not talking about half; it’s talking about majority and a majority in ordinary language would be 33. Majority as I understand it would be more than the minority and the majority would be 33,” Mohammed stated.
“If such a situation existed in Trinidad and Tobago, I do not believe that there would have been any delay in announcing a date for the elections. It happened during the time of Basdeo Panday when he was Prime Minister and there a defection of three members of his Government and the then Prime Minister said he did not have the kind of majority in according with law to carry on any further and they had an election,” Mohamed recalled of the early 2000s era.
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jacksparrow
2019-01-03 22:28:52
In reply to Narper
Well I guess they are not going without a fight but this is ridiculous.Grown,brilliant,educated men postulating that 34 would be the required majority out of 65 and not 33.Well all over the world, and in every lil club and organization, people been wrong their whole life, 3 would be the majority in a 3 member commitee I guess, 4 in 5 and so forth.Furthermore mathematics would also need some new rules!
More astounding are the social media arguments
Norm
2019-01-04 09:01:16
In reply to jacksparrow
Even if the government won by 33 to 32, the results would have shown the same thing. These two groups require their membership to vote entirely along party lines and not to engage in independent thought.
In other words, neither side has learnt anything from their years of experience in Guyana politics. Charrandas made that point clear, at least.
Narper
2019-01-04 09:55:02
A new Member of Parliament (MP) was sworn in on Thursday, replacing Charrandas Persaud who voted in favour of the Opposition’s No-confidence Motion against the coalition Government.
Barbara Patricia Pilgrim was selected by the larger partner in the coalition Government; the A Partnership for National Unity (APNU), to represent Region Six (East Berbice-Corentyne).
Besides this, the Government has argued that Persaud who voted with the Opposition to cause a collapse of the coalition has dual citizenship for both Guyana and Canada.
The Government claimed that it was on that basis that Persaud’s vote was invalid. However, Pilgrim allegedly holds the same privilege, but instead is a citizen of the United States.
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rockstarxxx
2019-01-04 10:03:20
In reply to Narper
lol, Them PNC holding on to dear life.
Runs
2019-01-04 11:01:49
Trotman and Ramjattan crossed party lines while in parliament and voted for the opposition prior to 2010. In 2010 legislation were installed for parties to remove members who crossed over, Charrandas suffered the consequences.
granite
2019-01-04 12:51:03
googley
2019-01-04 13:46:41
In reply to jacksparrow
Grown,brilliant,educated men postulating that 34 would be the required majority out of 65 and not 33.
that only means the current gov't is not legitimate! They are not majority cause they only had 33 seats!
thus, a new election is required regardless of how its sliced!
Narper
2019-01-05 09:30:46
Insisting that the December 21 no-confidence motion against the APNU+AFC government was validly passed, the opposition PPP last evening dismissed the resort to the judiciary to challenge the results, contending that the courts have no jurisdiction and the Constitution protects the vote.
“We maintain that the No-Confidence Motion was validly passed and the Speaker’s ruling that (it) was so passed, accompanied by the Clerk’s affirmation, cannot be enquired into or interfered with, by the Judiciary. Moreover, the Judiciary has no jurisdiction to violate or extend any timeframe prescribed by the Constitution, since the Constitution is supreme and the Judiciary is subject to the Constitution, not vice versa,” the PPP said in a press release yesterday.
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Runs
2019-01-05 09:32:48
In reply to Narper
Anil is the smartest lawyer in GY
Narper
2019-01-05 10:52:48
Dr. Scotland had no reason pragmatically to rule in favour of the Opposition last Thursday. Morally and legally he had an obligation to his country. He carried it out in a manner that puts him in the history books. We keep talking about the bravery of Charrandass (let me say here unambiguously; I support the yes vote of Charrandass and I think he was courageous) but we keep forgetting the phenomenal display of principles by Dr. Scotland.
He rejected the improper and obnoxious request, advised by Raphael Trotman which was put by Volda Lawrence that the no-confidence motion be intercepted by a time out process. Had he granted that, then Charrandass may have been threatened viciously.
freddie kissoon
Runs
2019-01-05 11:13:49
In reply to Narper
When guys like Freddie, Ramkarran, Hinds, Ram break from you, know that the game is over.
Narper
2019-01-05 11:23:43
In reply to Runs
I don't know Anil....but Freddie Kissoon taught him at UG...and Freddie says Anil was a very smart student in his class
Narper
2019-01-05 11:27:05
Runs
2019-01-05 11:39:50
In reply to Narper
Once a student of QC, arguably the best HS in the Caribbean you are smart
