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Lindsey Vonn: More proof? Once gone.....B***k

 
Casper 2019-01-08 09:59:57 

...can't go back?

She could not have met a nicer guy.

 
Ewart 2019-01-08 10:16:58 

In reply to Casper


Agreed.

//

 
Bigzinc 2019-01-08 10:54:26 

In reply to Casper

Stereotypeing????


PK is an all around good guy and much much nicer human than tiger.

 
rockstarxxx 2019-01-08 12:57:28 

In reply to Casper


...can't go back?

She could not have met a nicer guy.


Maybe they both like winter?

What could be said about M.Jordan and Kobe having white wives?

OJ Simpson?

 
Casper 2019-01-08 13:07:06 

In reply to rockstarxxx

I am not questioning anyone’s preference for having a relationship outside of their own ethnicity. The only colour of love should be the colour that changes hearts, whatever that is, or brings hearts together.

My tongue in cheek reference to Ms. Vonn was made because of my awareness that since Tiger she has had two additional relationships, both with black athlete types.

 
nick2020 2019-01-08 15:09:28 

In reply to Casper

Tiger Woods isn't black you fool.

 
rockstarxxx 2019-01-08 16:39:48 

In reply to nick2020


In reply to Casper

Tiger Woods isn't black you fool.



lol lol lol

 
JahJah 2019-01-08 17:09:52 

In reply to nick2020

Maybe not to you....nor himself.

I mean, OJ isn't black either.

 
nitro 2019-01-08 21:47:11 

In reply to JahJah

So too Obama, he is black and white, just like the nitro here.

I mean Michael Jackson looked more white than us but i do not think he was mixed race, was he?

 
goofballs 2019-01-08 22:01:36 

In reply to Casper

Is this arrogance or sheer ignorance, or both?

Breaking News!
MAN EATS DOG.

What's the big deal about having a white girl?
Aren't they people too?
Aren't black guys people or are they the beast that got beauty (white in some peoples' eyes) based on your drift here?
Sheer racial fixation.

As an ardent researcher of useless or race oriented news, perhaps you can tell us, educate us on the amount/percentage of white marrying black vs blacks marrying whites. razz
I don't see it as breaking news but obviously you are ejaculating about something here.
It is not the 50s or 60s.
If a Goofy can have a white gyal, any fool can have one or brown, black or yellow, if they have the other basic human features (not race specific).

Guys like you would cause a riot at the drop of a hat.

 
SnoopDog 2019-01-09 01:23:09 

In reply to goofballs

That soon-to-be retired skier sure knows how to keep her name in the headlines and all over social media.

Fair play I suppose. big grin

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 06:12:46 

In reply to JahJah

He has a non black mother and a black father.

How does that make him black?

The amusing thing about calling Tiger Woods black is it is deep rooted in the racist concept that a drop of black made you black.

 
Dukes 2019-01-09 07:01:13 

In reply to nick2020

The amusing thing about calling Barack Obama black is it is deep rooted in the racist concept that a drop of black made you black.

 
Chrissy 2019-01-09 07:05:49 

In reply to Dukes

Well since humanity started in Africa, we're all black

 
Bigzinc 2019-01-09 09:05:47 

In reply to Chrissy

That is what i have been saying all along...

Peter Tosh " No matter where you come from , dont mind the nationality, you have the identity of an african"

or something like that.. big grin big grin big grin

If someone had posted a negative sterotype of black people, there would have been and uproar (rightfully so) on this board...

sheer stupidity

 
Tryangle 2019-01-09 09:16:43 

In reply to Bigzinc

I think, going back to the original post of this thread, do we now take the phrase "once you go black..." and no longer consider it as a jovial remark but one to not be encouraged?

 
JahJah 2019-01-09 09:23:35 

In reply to nick2020

When does black start and end?

Obama's kids aren't black, by your measure.


PS: That Michael Jackson reference was weak as hell...even for you.

 
goofballs 2019-01-09 09:57:22 

A few things, not making a POINT here.
When Tiger and Lion (Singh) were #1 and #2 I would say Asian dominate golf. The whites had no problems with that.
The blacks would jump all over me, albeit in a friendly manner, to dispute my provocative comment.

In many religions/cultures,isn't everything male dominated like carrying father's side surname, belonging to the clan of the father even if he picks up a girl from any other culture?
So Obama and Tiger qualify as blacks, without invoking the drop rule. smile

 
goofballs 2019-01-09 10:04:34 

I will further contend that the reverse of the headline is very much more common in America.
Based on lots of experience, reports and discussion of sociocultural issues with people at the grassroots, it seems that overwhelmingly across most communities in USA, once a black guy takes a white woman, he is shunned by his society and is very hard to go back and integrate with his folks/culture who view him with disdain.

Just ask any black family here.
Don't know how it is in the Caribbean culture.

 
Bigzinc 2019-01-09 11:38:18 

In reply to Tryangle

isnt the phrase a stereotype of the black male...

when is a stereotype ok and when is it not

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 12:09:24 

In reply to JahJah

PS: That Michael Jackson reference was weak as hell...even for you.


Where did I make a Michael Jackson reference.

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 12:15:36 

In reply to Chrissy

Well since humanity started in Africa, we're all black


I find it staggering that intelligent people would display such ignorance.

What "race" were the Homo Sapiens who are credited for the one out of Africa propagation of our species? rolleyes

Just because it is "Africa" the land mass thousands of years ago and you associate Africa with "black" certainly does not mean they were what you would call "black". The answer is we do not know.

Look, get some education people; black/white/red/blue are ridiculously stupid and unscientific labels. It is so simpletons can call Tiger Woods "black" and Obama "black" and Trayvon Martin "black". And the day we as a species understand that black/white/red/blue really are silly classifications we will be free of racism.

 
black 2019-01-09 12:17:55 

In reply to nick2020

Where did I make a Michael Jackson reference.


Nitro/nick....what is the difference. lol

 
Tryangle 2019-01-09 12:32:22 

In reply to Bigzinc

when is a stereotype ok and when is it not


Right, that was part of what I was getting at. Some stereotypes are blatantly harmful, others may be seen as more benign. Your mileage may vary based on the phrase used.

For example, "Asians are good at math". It may be seen as harmless for lots of people. But for that person of Asian descent who struggles at math, if they hear that phrase, it could negatively impact their psyche.

Will the world and society move to a state where such phrases fall out of favour? Or will there be a counter-culture, a so-called 'anti-PC' movement that stops it all in its tracks?

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 12:44:36 

In reply to black

Oh. Well.

You know JahJah takes people to task for those kind of errors.

But we know this will be different.

 
openning 2019-01-09 12:46:51 

This is old news.
Why is relationships so important to some people?
I want my daughter and sons to be happy, and find true love.

 
Toney 2019-01-09 15:12:07 

In reply to goofballs

[b]What's the big deal about having a white girl?
Aren't they people too?[/b]


Iman have no problems with a brother having a white girl.However, what Iman have a probem with,is a problem with is when a rich Black man marry to a woman outside his race who is far less wealthy than he is. What this does, it contributes to further tranferring wealth from the Black thnic group to the ethnic group of others.

Rarely does one sees weathy women from ethnicity, other than Black, marrying poor Black men...I wonder why!

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 15:27:11 

In reply to Toney

what Iman have a probem with,is a problem with is when a rich Black man marry to a woman outside his race who is far less wealthy than he is. What this does, it contributes to further tranferring wealth from the Black thnic group to the ethnic group of others.


I read some preposterous things on the internet but this rivals them. shock

 
Narper 2019-01-09 17:25:11 

What about Viv's Neena Gupta and Seal's Heidi Klum? wink

 
Casper 2019-01-09 18:01:45 

In reply to Toney

You are most likely expressing a non-scientific, but an inconvenient fact, arrived from just personal observation.

But here are some real scientific facts, which might cause others with your point of view to support you.

Black Americans experience dramatically lower upward mobility than white Americans do - a difference that appears to be driven largely by significant economic disadvantages among black men.

These conclusions come from a groundbreaking study combining Census Bureau data on race with IRS tax returns, which allow economists to track individuals’ earnings over many years and tie them to their parents’ earnings. The first paper to combine census race data and tax records was released by the Census Bureau’s Maggie Jones and Sonya Porter and UCLA’s Randall Akee last year. Now Jones and Porter have extended that work in collaboration with Stanford’s Raj Chetty and Harvard’s Nathaniel Hendren, and tied their findings to parental tax records, enabling an intergenerational comparison spanning from 1989 to 2015.

The researchers teamed up with the New York Times’s Upshot and produced some incredible charts and graphics showing off the data, which you should check out. Here are a few major takeaways from the new research.


Black Americans and American Indians in well-off families are much likelier to fall behind than white kids

One of the main purposes of the study is to compare intergenerational mobility — that is, the degree to which children exceed, or fall behind, their parents economically — across different racial groups.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, they find that downward mobility is much higher among black Americans and American Indians than among white, Hispanic, or Asian Americans. White children whose parents are in the top fifth of the income distribution have a 41.1 percent chance of staying there as adults; for Hispanic children, the rate is 30.6 percent, and for Asian-American children, 49.9 percent. But for black children, it’s only 18 percent, and for American Indian children only 23 percent.

Indeed, black and American Indian children born into upper- or upper-middle-class families are nearly as likely to fall to the bottom fifth of the income distribution as to stay in the top fifth.



Conversely, upward mobility for children born into the bottom fifth of the distribution is markedly higher among whites than among black or American Indian children. Among children who grew up in the bottom fifth of the distribution, 10.6 percent of whites make it into the top fifth of household incomes themselves, as do 25.5 percent of Asian-Americans. By contrast, only 7.1 percent of Hispanic children born in the bottom fifth make it to the top fifth, along with 3.3 percent of American Indian children and a tiny 2.5 percent of black children.

These numbers necessarily hide a great deal of variation within each ethnic/racial categories: between black children of immigrants and black children of native-born Americans; between Mexican Americans and Salvadoran Americans and Dominican Americans, etc.; and between Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans and Vietnamese Americans, etc.


Black men enjoy much less mobility than white men, but the gap between black and white women is small

This is perhaps the most striking, and certainly the most controversial, finding of the study. Black Americans’ disadvantage on mobility relative to whites, the researchers conclude, is entirely driven by a disadvantage between black and white men:



No matter what their parents’ income level, black men do worse than white men on average. Black men born into families at the 75th percentile of the income distribution wind up, on average, 12 percentiles below white men born into equally affluent families. When you consider that there are far fewer black families at the top of the income distribution than white families, the inequities showcased here become even starker.

But the same does not hold for black women:


There is much more to be learnt from reading the complete article. But a corollary to your unscientific conclusion is to consider whether black men subconsciously operate similarly, as in Brazil following the abolition of slavery - some need to lighten the race to maximize any advantage to their off-spring in doing so.

“What does love have to do with it?”

 
JahJah 2019-01-09 20:56:42 

In reply to black

Notice the fool can't make a comeback to the Obama's kids point I made so he hides behind me mixing him and nitro up.

What a weakling! big grin

 
JahJah 2019-01-09 20:58:59 

In reply to Toney

What this does, it contributes to further tranferring wealth from the Black thnic group to the ethnic group of others.


What di France??? DWL!!!!!!

Doh mek me call you Stoney, coz yu muss did high nuh bloodkleet when you write dat. lol lol

Then again, is not di first I reading that load of cowdung. It's been around for decades. lol

 
JahJah 2019-01-09 21:01:16 

In reply to Narper

Maybe dey can't handle rolling tunda.

 
sgtdjones 2019-01-09 21:28:51 

In reply to Narper

Narps

I tort since zsa zsa gats he Swedish Göteborg Olga

He can't turn back?

The tings I learn on this site.

razz razz razz razz

 
nick2020 2019-01-09 23:04:23 

In reply to JahJah

I do not see the value in debating this. You consider Obama to be the same black as Tiger. I am not here to change ignorance and I suspect nothing anyone can tell you will move your position, especially not on the internet.

But it is clearly ignorant.

And like I said black is a stupid classification. As is white. Why have a long back and forth on a stupid classification?

I do know that for simplicity you are saying if I mix Apple Juice and Orange Juice in one glass and Apple Juice and Grapefruit Juice in a second glass and Apple Juice and Apple Juice in a third they are all the same Apple Juice.

Shrug.

You are the kind though who would hold onto a misspelled word in a post and disregard everything in it. Pot meet Kettle?

 
tc1 2019-01-09 23:47:13 

In reply to nick2020

what the f are you posting shoite, both Obama and Tiger are black and can be stop while driving or shoot by cops while walking.

 
openning 2019-01-10 00:04:08 

In reply to nick2020

I do not see the value in debating this. You consider Obama to be the same black as Tiger. I am not here to change ignorance and I suspect nothing anyone can tell you will move your position, especially not on the internet.

You the one showing your ignorance, both dads were black.
Come to western Canada and have this discussion with young blacks, you will leave in a hurry.

 
nick2020 2019-01-10 00:43:54 

In reply to tc1

All you are pointing out is society's ignorance.

 
nick2020 2019-01-10 00:56:18 

In reply to openning

You the one showing your ignorance, both dads were black.


So what is your point?

What does it mean to you to be black openning? I think you do not understand that.

Come to western Canada and have this discussion with young blacks, you will leave in a hurry.


That means something?

National Geographic

You know how great thinkers solve problems? You need to release yourself from the shackles of how society tells you to think.

If you saw the little girl on the left you may have said she is white. Then when you saw her sister you would say oh she is black. The blackness of the white girl was dependent on the blackness of her sister. Is the black girl any whiter if you made this observation in reverse? In other words is the black girl any whiter after seeing her sister?

Do you understand?

White and Black are really stupid classifications invented by primitive man and if you cannot understand this the Earth is flat to you.

 
openning 2019-01-10 01:17:19 

In reply to nick2020
Dude I was born in Barbados with a father that had a wife and many children from women he was not marry to.
As a little boy, I hated my dad's behaviour, always hearing I was a mommy's boy.
I love my mom, spent a number of times talking to her, and wanting to be different form my dad.
I grew up with people teaching me of what blacks should be, even though, not all their children were the same, moving to Calgary, it opened my eyes to see, I was in a region where my upbringing and teaching, gave me the opportunity , to choose what best for me.
I was born to two black people, Mandela, MLK and Ali are my biggest heroes, but it is the teachings, I received before leaving Barbados have laughed to think for myself.
I can read something and have the ability to decide, if that fit into my way of life.
I will never be a follower of anything I don't agree with.
Anything I have not achieve in my life, is on me, not because I am black.
So, Don't come to me on any black issues.
BTW, as a student in a sociology course, it opened my eyes to social stratification within a society, I saw student fighting, when props where taking away from them.
I left that class and sheared it with guys, who had already when thru the class, who told me later, I will never be successful in the region.

 
JahJah 2019-01-10 07:07:32 

In reply to nick2020

Dude! You said Obama isn't black. So, by extension his kids aren't, since they don't have a black father.

Correct?

 
JahJah 2019-01-10 07:15:39 

In reply to nick2020

Black and White are stupid classifications, steeped in ignorance, that you try to use in order to prove your point. Well, the black one at least...

nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
Posts: 20631 1/9/19 6:12:46 AM
In reply to JahJah

He has a non black mother and a black father.

How does that make him black?

The amusing thing about calling Tiger Woods black is it is deep rooted in the racist concept that a drop of black made you black.



confused shock sad rolleyes

 
nick2020 2019-01-10 08:28:59 

In reply to JahJah

In a debate I have 2 options:

1. Spend my short life left here getting you to see things on my terms
2. Show the inconsistencies of your point on your terms

In this case I did both.

Your definition of black is flawed. I know what you mean by black so I can debate you on your terms.

By your definitions

Obama has a black father and a white mother and he is black.
Tiger has a black father and a non-black (I do not know what you classify her as) mother of a different race than Obama's mother yet he is also black.

By my definitions

black/white/red/blue/green/yellow are totally unscientific and rooted in primitive ignorance. It is the consistent theme of mankind always trying to divide and conquer each other.

There you have it. I live in a society just like yourself. I understand the issue. I know if you tell me you had dinner with a black woman that it was not Taylor Swift. But in a debate where we are supposed to be intelligent there are many moments in this thread that it was lacking. Like when Chrissy claimed that because we all came out of the land mass Africa we were all black once.

I would ask you a question but I do find you are very clever at avoidance.

 
openning 2019-01-10 11:24:47 

In reply to nick2020

What does it mean to you to be black openning? I think you do not understand that.

Black is just a colour
We come with many variety of shades.
The girl on the left is no different to this golfer, who my friend identify him as a brother.
See Cameron Champ below
Link Text

 
JahJah 2019-01-10 11:56:12 

In reply to nick2020

What??? You posted a whole of lot of text to say absolute shyte.

You're telling my definition (which I haven't even given) of black is flawed after you posted that Obama is not black then say that Tiger Woods father is indeed black. Do you know his father's racial make up? Or whatever he said it was?

On another note, after you make the proclamation that Tiger Woods' father is a black man, you go on to say...

black/white/red/blue/green/yellow are totally unscientific and rooted in primitive ignorance. It is the consistent theme of mankind always trying to divide and conquer each other.


DWL!!!!!!!!! So you're saying you're ignorant yourself without admitting it.

C'mon man. Keep on train of thought. Be consistent. And STOP twisting yourself in knots.

 
JahJah 2019-01-10 12:09:39 

In reply to nick2020

Now let's stay on point. YOUR point.

YOU, unless someone hacked you, said that Tiger Wood's father is black. (Let's put aside you now saying there is no such thing as a black person)

So I presume YOU also consider Obama's (who YOU said is not black) father to be black. Since Obama is not black, would this mean that Obama's kids aren't black since they have a black mother and a non-black father. Asking for a friend.

Remember, I did ask where does black begin and end. Again, asking for a friend.

NB: I haven't offered a definition of blackness, contrary to what you said. I have only inferred who I consider to be black.

 
nick2020 2019-01-10 12:57:11 

In reply to JahJah

To avoid the vagueness of inference

Is Obama black?
Is Tiger Woods black?

 
Casper 2019-01-10 13:37:43 

In reply to openning

If nothing else, I hope this thread has been an education for people like nick2020 - his understanding of blackness and the common reference point from which we, in North America, if not across the world, discuss the issues of blackness.

Regarding Cameron Champ here is a bittersweet story.

Three generations of blackness. - just a lighter shade each.

 
openning 2019-01-10 15:26:55 

In reply to Casper
The first time I saw Cameron, I called my best friend and asked him to check the dude out, after he saw him, he response
to me was.
We now have three brothers, on the PGA tour.
Tiger
Varner
Cameron Champ