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==HEADLINE: ICC killjoys at work==
CaribbeanCricket.com
2019-02-05 15:27:57
ESPNcricinfo's UK Editor Andrew Miller is not pulling any punches in that site's editorial 'Jason Holder slow-over ban is just ICC killjoys at work'. In yesterday's posting, he writes
Trust the ICC to be a buzzkill. The decision to suspend Jason Holder in the wake of West Indies' stunning victory in the Antigua Test is one of those typically letter-of-the-law decisions that make any rational recipient scream with outrage. It's like being zapped by a speed camera while doing 38mph on a deserted stretch of A-road at 3 o'clock in the morning. Yes, I know rules are rules, and all that but .... AARGH!
It's time the governing body had a re-think about what purpose over rate requirements serve, and whether they are achieving the desired goal. It does feel a bit ridiculous when, as Miller sarcastically notes, "
never mind the scorecard, the West Indies captain was a full two overs short of fulfilling his obligations to an entertainment-starved public."
Good to know it's not just us that feel that way.
You can read the
full article at ESPNcricinfo
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mikesiva
2019-02-05 15:59:38
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
The law is an ass.
greypatch
2019-02-05 16:39:25
POINT
2019-02-05 17:50:07
MANY YEARS AGO I HAVE CITED IN THIS
FORUM MY BELIEF THAT MOST IF NOT ALL
THE MEMBERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL
CRICKET CONSPIRATORS , AKA THE ICC ,
HAVE CONSPIRED AT EVERY TWIST & TURN
TO DO THINGS THAT WERE HARMFUL TO
OUR PLAYERS DOMINANCE IN
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET .
Let me once again cite some indisputable facts regarding the
Actions of the Conspirators in the ICC .
1. AT THE ZENITH OF OUR PLAYERS
DOMINANCE IN INTERNATIONAL CRICKET
OUT OF THE BLUE THE ICC DECIDED TO
CURTAIL INTERNATIONAL CRICKET TOURS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE
HEYDAYS OF OUR PLAYERS DOMINANCE IN
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET WE HAD NO
REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE , AND MOST
OF OUR PLAYERS PLAYED CRICKET IN
ENGLAND .
IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT
THE INTERNATIONAL TOUR SCHEDULE
ALLOWED FOR MANY MATCHES BETWEEN THE
TEST MATCHES . THIS OBVIOUSLY
ALLOWED VISITING TEAMS THE ABILITY
TO GET ACCLIMATIZED TO THE PITCHES
AND THE WEATHER .
MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT THESE MATCHES
ENSURED THAT VISITING TEAMS PLAYERS
SKILLS WERE FINELY HONED IN ALL
ASPECTS OF THE GAME .
ALL THIS OCCURRED WITHOUT THE REGION
HAVING A REGIONAL CRICKET LEAGUE ,
DUE TO THE GROSS INCOMPETENCE OF THE
WORST INTERNATIONAL CRICKET BOARD IN
THE COMMONWEALTH .
THEN ENGLAND DECIDED TO LIMIT THE
NUMBER OF CRICKETERS PLAYING CRICKET
IN ENGLAND . I AM FIRMLY CONVINCED
THAT THIS WAS CRAFTLY PLANNED BY
ENGLAND .
ALLOW ME AT THIS JUNCTURE TO ASK
THIS SALIENT QUESTION :
WHEN THE ICC DECIDED TO PASS A LAW
STATING THAT PACE BOWLERS CAN ONLY
BOWL 1 BOUNCER PER OVER ; WHICH
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET TEAM HAD THE
FASTEST BOWLERS IN THE WORLD ?????
Now I seriously doubt that the ICC
has spoken to those in the Stewardship of West Indies Cricket .
I firmly believe that the International Cricket Conspirators
enjoy the fact that the WICBC is
governed by unprincipled People , who cherish their 90 years old Structure so much that they bluntly
refuse to change it .
Khaga
2019-02-05 17:56:45
In reply to mikesiva
Yep. Clive Lloyd recommended it in his capacity as the head of cricket committee of the ICC..
Narper
2019-02-05 18:14:01
In reply to mikesiva
Generally laws are made for a specific reason at the time
Laws and rules can be changed and must be changed when they are no longer relevant
Test cricket has changed
Test matches are ending in 3 and 4 days on a regular basis
Teams are regularly making 300+ in a day.
Batsmen SR have increased as players are playing more T20s and transfering that batting skill to test cricket.
Time to relook at this specific law.
Team management ...especially the coach....should have assisted Holder with this overrate problem...they must have been aware of it and the consequences to Holder.
Emir
2019-02-05 18:33:21
In reply to Narper
Well said.
Sylobeauty
2019-02-05 19:47:54
Under normal circumstances if a match ended in a draw because of slow over rate as a tactic, then definitely the offending captain should be suspended. But that's not what happened in the 2nd Test. A regular test match is five days with a total of 450 overs. The test match lasted fewer than 3 days and only 232 overs, with England being bowled twice, with a total of 101 overs, while West Indies batted 133 overs and lost 10 wickets. If anything, the weakness of England deprived fans of 2 days of test cricket or 218 overs! If anything England should be charged instead of depriving St. Lucians from seeing the World's #1 all rounder, Jason Holder. ICC suspended Holder for embarrassing England and nothing more and nothing less
POINT
2019-02-05 19:53:17
In reply to Sylobeauty
Please understand that in ALL Conspiracies involving International
Cricket , England is always at the
Center .
Sylobeauty
2019-02-05 20:01:42
In reply to Narper What help Holder needed? You play a game to win and that's what he did. We have four fast bowlers and yet Holder used Chase for 8 overs in the first inning. The suspension was harsh and cruel to say the least. Let's not forget on day 1, we had several DRS reviews and also change of innings since England got bowled out before tea. If the match ended in a draw because Holder used slow over rate as a tactic then I would understand. But match was over within 3 days? Man Holder needed no help; it's Joe Root and England that needed help from their coach but ICC jumped in and gave them some help by suspending Holder.
Narper
2019-02-05 20:41:25
In reply to Sylobeauty
What help Holder needed? You play a game to win and that's what he did.
Holder needed all the bowlers to be aware of the over rate. Management was responsible for educating all the bowlers including the fielders. You play to win within the laws of the game otherwise you are likely to suffer consequences which Holder has suffered today
The suspension was harsh and cruel to say the least.
It is the law and it has been around for a long time...this Holder's violation is not a one off incident. Have you protested this law before? Is Holder the only captain who has suffered from violation of this law?
Holder was suspended before for this. He missed a Test and was fined in New Zealand in December 2017 for the same offence with Brathwaite taking over the captaincy on that occasion too.
Narper
2019-02-06 13:51:17
In reply to greypatch
Appeal on what grounds?
davo
2019-02-06 14:48:36
In reply to Narper
Not because it's the law means it must not be criticized or repealed.
Apart from this reprehensible one, the ICC has been piss poor in its general management of the sport, like India being allowed to do as it likes, without accountability to anyone.
A full cleansing of this spineless organization is required with decision makers with a vested interest in development their main priority, put in place to replace the ones who primarily want to be slaves to India's money & stooges to it's influence.
However, I do agree that Holder should've been monitored & advised by the coaching panel on his overate lapses.
granite
2019-02-06 16:55:56
The one bouncer per over was good ,because it preserved life.West Indian fast bowlers during their dominance were bowling 3 and four bouncers per over,many batsmen got hurt over the years but no fatalities.It was a fact that many batsmen gave their wickets away for fear of getting seriously hurt.
Priapus
2019-02-06 17:09:03
In reply to granite
It was a fact that many batsmen gave their wickets away for fear of getting seriously hurt.
Many? Armanath, Boon, Border, Miandad?......
camos
2019-02-06 17:14:34
In reply to Priapus
Gooch.
Narper
2019-02-06 17:20:51
In reply to davo
In reply to Narper
Not because it's the law means it must not be criticized or repealed.
you are replying to me but obviously you did not read my posts
read my 2/5/19 6:14:01 PM post