Choose Life!

link nitro Joined: Apr 10, 2003
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2/11/19 9:30:33 AM 
Deuteronomy 30:19—This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

Now choose life!

Moses knew the power of choice to bring blessings or curses upon the nation of Israel. In one of history’s most dramatic statements, he stood before all Israel and shouted Deuteronomy 30:19 with all the power of his aged voice.

When Abraham and Lot stood together on the fertile plains of Jordan, Lot made the choice that was to be his undoing. “So Lot chose for himself the whole plain of the Jordan” Genesis 13:11. He pitched his tent toward Sodom, ignoring the moral and spiritual dangers.

Hear the hissing of the brimstone as it falls from the sky, bringing annihilation to Sodom. See the sons and daughters of Lot running in panic, futilely seeking a place of refuge. This was the consequence of their father’s choice.

Source: Being Happy in an Unhappy World

link nickoutr Joined: Mar 21, 2008
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2/11/19 11:14:43 AM 
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nice read ... reminder to members of this mb who lost their moral compass

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 11:30:00 AM 
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See the sons and daughters of Lot running in panic, futilely seeking a place of refuge



First, Lot had 2 children, daughters.

He had no sons. His wives were married to men of Sodom who chose to stay behind.

Lot's daughters survived. So no, his daughters did not run in panic.

The Bible writers are always accurate, Bible students need to be same.

Also, futilely?

link WI_cricfan Joined: Oct 12, 2006
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2/11/19 11:58:16 AM 
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He had no sons.

Really!!! please don't argue from silence of Scripture.

Scripture only makes mention of Lot's two daughters, but that not mean he had no sons.

The most we can say is Scripture only makes mention of Lot's two daughters but is silent as far as sons are concerned.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 12:02:00 PM 
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The scriptures are clear. Lot had two daughters. Clear that both daughters were married, Clear that both daughter's husbands perished.
Clear that the daughters slept with their father to continue his lineage. Why would it make no mention of Sons?

Or is it you who want to argue needlessly?

link WI_cricfan Joined: Oct 12, 2006
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2/11/19 1:22:39 PM 
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Where in Scripture it is clear that Lot had no son

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 1:36:01 PM 
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The scriptures discuss his family at length...why would it omit his sons but mention sons in law?

Whatever dude, you just want to argue. Good day.

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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2/11/19 1:41:15 PM 
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why would it omit his sons but mention sons in law?


Why did the Bible omit Jesus' teenage years? Maybe he was a wild child? lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 1:56:01 PM 
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Is there any question that he had teenage years?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 2:03:54 PM 
The Bible does not mention Abraham fathering daughters...did he?

What was the status of sons vs the status of daughters in Bible times?

Where in the Bible has any family been discussed at length where the Patriach and his daughters are discussed but not the sons who existed?

link VIX Joined: Feb 7, 2003
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2/11/19 2:50:17 PM 
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ah Deuteronomy....

22:28-29
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered..... He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

28:30
(If you don't obey the Lord your God and follow all his commands)You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it.

22:22
If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.


The whole backroom would be put to death smile

Anyone who commits adultery must be put to death (Deuteronomy 22:22).

Anyone who commits perjury must be put to death (Deuteronomy 19:18-19).

Anyone who disobeys a judge or priest must be put to death (Deuteronomy 17:12).

Any prophet who tries to turn you against God must be put to death (Deuteronomy 13:5).

Any prophet who makes a wrong prediction must be put to death (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

Family members who tempt you with other gods must be put to death (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

A stubborn and rebellious son must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21).

Any woman who has had premarital sex must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 22:21).

Anyone who worships another god must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 17:2-7).

If a city worships other gods, kill everyone in it and burn it (Deuteronomy 13:12-16). big grin

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 2:56:51 PM 
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Ah, the good old days... smile

link Dan_De_Lyan Joined: Jun 3, 2008
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2/11/19 8:03:01 PM 
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bringing annihilation to Sodom


That is the end to your social life right there cry

link Dan_De_Lyan Joined: Jun 3, 2008
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2/11/19 8:06:30 PM 
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Where in Scripture it is clear that Lot had no son


Deuteronomy 12:6 And Lot begot a son and he was called Ouse

Deuteronomy 12:7 And Ouse brought Front into his mother Sarah's tent, and she became his wife.
He loved her deeply, and she was a special comfort to him after the death of his
mother.

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ouse and Front Lot had 4 children
cool

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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2/11/19 8:19:41 PM 
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Pure savagery, it's a good thing people don't follow that nonsense anymore or we would all be dead. lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 8:38:34 PM 
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Those are the two children that his daughters gave birth to after they left Sodom.

Not what we're talking about.

link Dan_De_Lyan Joined: Jun 3, 2008
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2/11/19 8:54:24 PM 
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Ouse and Front Lot



I made all that stuff up in a "Lame" attempt at lazarus big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin

Those are the two children that his daughters gave birth to after they left Sodom.

Not what we're talking about.


"Blast Femur" (I love Animals)

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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2/11/19 9:02:08 PM 
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Well duh.

The sons were named Moab and Benammi.

They actually each formed a Nation...the Moabites and Ammonites.

link nitro Joined: Apr 10, 2003
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2/12/19 8:33:31 AM 
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16, NIV)

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