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I suggest for a good batting wicket which offers help to both pace and spin...

1. Richard Austin (a strong argument for Easton Mc. Morris for the number of runs at FC, but Austin is also an allrounder))
2. Chris Gayle (strong arguments for J. K. Holt and Allan Rae, Desmond Lewis)
3. Mass George Headley - captain
4. Lawrence Yagga Rowe
5. Collie Smith (an argument for Everton Mattis)
6. Maurice Foster (strong arguments for Herbert Chang, Jimmy Adams, Marlon Samuels)
7. Jeffrey Dujon - wk (argument for Jackie Hendricks or Renford Pinnock who were better wicket-keepers,
but none as good a batsman)
8. Lester King (strong arguments for Jerome Taylor, Pattrick Patterson, Roy Gilchrist, Andre Russell)
9. Michael Holding
10. Courtney Walsh (vice-captain)
11. Alf Valentine (an argument for Nikita Miller)




12th man - Breese or Parchment or Cleveland Davidson (excellent fielders)

What do others say?

In reply to solidrock

Not a mention of Brendan Nash....is he not Jamaican enough?

In reply to solidrock
Good team but I would add Allen Rae to open the batting with Gayle and Roy Gilchrist to open the bowling with Holding.

In reply to XFactor

Yes, Nash has an argument to bat at six, but Foster is a better batsman and was a useful off-break bowler

In reply to solidrock

Dude for starters Patrick Patterson over King.

I would never pick any alltime Jamaican XI and exclude Marlon Samuels...he have to be in the XI...

If you are going just by performance while representing Jamaica then Uton Dowe must figure in the discussion.

Plus I can't imagine any credible all time Jamaica team without Collie Smith.

In reply to jacksprat
Yes Dowe, in the discussion. But, left out.
Collie is batting at 5.

In reply to solidrock

Foster and Austin could not make the 11 over Marlon, Hinds and Pinnock.

In reply to solidrock

Ok. Thanks. Oversight on my part!

1. Chris Gayle
2. George Headley
3. Lawrence Rowe
4. Maurice Foster (Capt.)
5. James Adams
6. Collie Smith
7. Jeffrey Dujon (wk)
8. Michael Holding
9. Patrick Patterson
10. Courtney Walsh
11. Al Valentile
12. Cleveland Davidson

Baje deuce on loan Frankie Worrell and Teddy Griffith haffi be in convo...

Headley is baje by one drop rule..

A match with Rest of WI all time XI versus Jamaica all time eleven would be no walkover over 5 days. One well worth seeing.

In reply to che

But he Jamaican by the womb and nuff drop rule.

His father was a smart man.

In reply to che

Headley papa was bajan, therefore he is bajan, in fact he learned to bat like he papa in Belleplain.

In reply to solidrock

No Arguments

Gayle
Rowe
Headley
Holding
Walsh
Dujon
Valentine



Others

Adams
Samuels
Smith
D. Morgan
Foster


Gilchrist
Patterson
Tayrol

Jamaican cricketers have added a lot to West Indies success over the years. Proud of the nation.

In reply to solidrock

Tha's a great breakdown, anyone for Marlon Tucker in the set up? Arthur Barrett and Ray Whyter were good servants to the cause. Both worth a mention.

In reply to solidrock

on match day it will be near impossible to leave out Gilchrist. Apart from all the antics, he was a great bowler. An eleven on paper will have Walsh ahead of him but in real life, man standing next to man, Gilchrist prowess will be overwhelming.

In reply to Raggs

Top class cricketers (Barrett especially), but I think they sit.

In reply to XFactor

Nash has no argument based on cricket. Nash wouldn't get in the second eleven. Basil Williams who hasn't been mentioned as yet has a greater legacy than Nash.

In reply to methodic

The mention of Basil Williams has great merit. On many days he could certainly "shot-gun" either Danny Germs (Austin) or CG (universe boss) at the top of the innings.

What happened to Sir Frank Worrell? Couldn't make the side?

In reply to nick2020

Unfortunately, we must give him to Barbados. But, if asked he might want to take Jamaica preferably.

In reply to methodic

Agreed.

I never saw Binns bat, but some say he was really good. Any factual knowledge by anyone?

In reply to solidrock

really? based on what, not cricket

In reply to tc1

Having watched both with my own eyes. When Yagga and Foster were the core of Jamaica batsmen, a lot of people in Jamaica saw Foster as a better batsman and more consistent. I remember a friend in high school "fight" for Foster being better than Rowe. I felt he was wrong.

In reply to solidrock

If you are picking an all-time Jamaican team then presumably the batting is strong.By that reasoning why do you have to pick the 4th best Jamaican wicketkeeper simply because he is the best batsman of all the wicketkeepers.Two men who I respect, Umpire Cecil Kippins and Clive Lloyd say that Jackie Hendriks is the best West Indies wicketkeeper ever and from my observations as well I totally agree.

In reply to Dukes

so based on that argument, then Solidrock have to leave out Foster or Austin because Dujon is a better bat than both.

There is no argument that Jackie was the best wicket-keeper produced by Jamaica and all of the West Indies. Pinnock was almost as good as Hendricks.

But, I do not think Dujon will lose us a match behind the stumps and his class as a batsman is simply a nail in the coffin for opponents seeing him walk in at seven and helping a weakish Jamaican tale.

With the first 6 Jamaican batsman on my team, it is true that often Duj will not bat.

In reply to solidrock

then play hendricks as keeper and dujon as a batsman

In reply to methodic

I have seen all three up close. Austin at his prime was better than both Dujon and Foster as a batsman.

Tell you the truth as a schoolboy Austin was a better keeper than Dujon. Austin simply could do everything with class and fruitfully. Desmond Haynes would not have played for WI if Danny Germs had not played the fool.

In reply to solidrock

Didn't realize Jamaica was so bereft of talent in the batting arena.

I bid for my fav Easton Mc Morris.

vs Foster

In reply to solidrock

After Dujon dropped Sobers then on 20 off the bowling of Valentine, the Greatest Cricketer on earth or Mars went on to score a blistering double century to go with his 5 -68 in the All-time Jamaica team's first innings at the Mecca yesterday against the Rest of the West Indies XI.Scores in the match, Jamaican All-time team 291, Headley 103, Rowe 71, Sobers 5-68.All-time Rest of the WI 492-6 Sobers 207* Weekes 117.The match continues today.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Samuels played in big class (test)

Mediocre averages but higher level.

No love for Taylor?

Hendricks was the best keeper, by far!

In reply to Dukes

Good one. This is a match that does not have a time limit. Wait until the second innings when Mas George, Rowe, Collie Smith bat 3 days and leave the rest of WI to knock off 450. Alf Valentine (not even Holding and Walsh) bowls your team out for 220. That is how it ends.

Oops! My stats are in fav of Maurice Foster.

Darn!!


Ok, Samuels over Foster.

Cricket folklore says that Jackie Hendricks once kept up to the wicket to Wes Hall. Is this really true anyone?

In reply to solidrock

I doubt that. I saw Jackie keep up to Lester King at Bourda in 1967.I also saw him stump somebody and it was not until the next day I read that the batsman was stumped, having assumed he was bowled.


P.S Just looked it up

Winston English stumped Hendriks bowled King 83

In reply to solidrock

The Old timers will tell you about Neville Bonitto who played in the late 1940's until the mid 1950's and who was kept out of the WI team because of the 3 W's. He has an impressive first class record.

this is where Becca would make a post!

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In reply to solidrock

I would have to respectfully disagree. I think the only regional team that would be competitive against a rest of the West Indies team is Barbados.

Could you imagine Marshall, Garner, Hall, Griffith and Sobers bowling to Fredericks, Richardson, Headley, Kanhai, Richards and Lara?

Then Roberts, Holding, Ambrose and Gibbs bowling to Hunte, Greenidge the three W's and Sobers?

I'm breaking out into a fever just thinking about it!

In reply to openning

Very little to argue over. On Target!!!

Everton Matthis

In reply to openning

Here's something to consider. The game of cricket evolved and changed drastically between the time Hendricks played and Dujon emerged.

Back when Hendriks played you picked your best wicketkeeper. When Dujon came on the scene you picked your best wicketkeeper/batsman.

So old school fans will probably take Hendricks while new school fans will take Dujon.

In reply to Fivestar

Tell that to Sir Gary, who I understand, have him in his all-time X1.

In reply to openning

Does this mean Sir Gary is old school.

In reply to Dukes

please don't give up your day job.
this is funny, Walcott out already

In reply to openning

He tek he eyes off de ball???

In reply to solidrock

Yes... confirming. Allie Binns was really good. He is the pick of all cricket cognoscenti.


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In reply to camos

We missing him already....

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Gilchrist must play and should play before Patterson

In reply to Dukes

Interesting thread started by someone who believes Jamaica';s cricket started in the 60s except for Maass George.
I am not old, as someone will tell your. ..only mature.
That said here is my JA team to play Bim

Rae,
Gayle
Headley(c)
Rowe
Neville L Bonitto - Ave nearly 60 in a 9 year career..best batsman not have played for WI. (Worrell, if Bim allows it )
Collie Smith
Dujon
Holding
Patterson
Gilchrist
Walsh
12. Val

Hendriks,is undoubtedly the best ever on reputation ,but only a slight edge over Binns who was a very good bat except in Tests
will play instead of Duj only if Val replaces one of the quicks. This 4 prong contains three fastest WI bowlers of all time
and the best into-the wind bowler,Walsh. Duj is best for this attack which should need less than 75 overs to dismiss the opposition

In reply to tc1

I can tell you more details about just how Dujon dropped Garry. The ball was pitched outside the off stump and was fractionally short and quick as a flash Garry was on the backfoot and tried to cut it but the ball kept slightly low and the resulting bottom edge went thru to Dujon who seemed to be already getting up from his crouch and dropped the ball. The Dukester was sitting next to Lance Gibbs in the Players pavilion and Lance said that if he was skipper Headley, Dujon would never play again.

In reply to hubert
Pure speculation if we are playing Barbados top all-time eleven. Let say it is the eleven Desmond Haynes chose that he could not make (gave deference to Greenidge and Hunte to open). Worrell stays with Bim.

In your heart, do you really think your 4 prong pace attack can dislodge Greenidge, Hunte, Weeks, Walcott, Worrell, Nurse and we have not reached Sobers yet in less than 75 overs? I do not think so.



I know we have Collie Smith and "Gayle" as the backup bowlers in your team. I cannot see us not playing Val. Bim will only tire our 4 horsemen and then destroy. We need a smart and talented spinner. What do you think?
Why is Bonitto better than Foster?

Mark Neita was a stalwart in Ja's middle order. I would give him the tag of the unluckiest player from Jamaica not to play test cricket.The legspinner Robert Haynes is the other likely candidate for that unwanted title.

In reply to Dukes


Nice, Headley should have banish Jeff like Gibbs did to Jeff Murray , that his name.

In reply to tc1

No it was Sydney Jackman

In reply to Raggs

Neita was ok, but at that time not even Carlisle Best or Ralston Otto could get in, so i think he would be lower in the pecking order.

the one i really liked was Herbert Chang. Short little fellow but could bat.

In reply to Dukes

he looked like he was 16 yo , Gibbs made the youngster swim back to GT.

In reply to Dukes


Did Murray and Jackman played the same years

In reply to tc1

Jackman was selected in 1966 on a 4 match tour of which Bim was the second match.There was only 1 wicketkeeper on tour so he played the other 2 matches and like Gibbs promised, never played first class cricket again.Geoff "Reds" Murray played from 1963 as a teenager until 1970 for Guyana and was widely regarded as one of the best wicketkeepers we ever produced.He was a brilliant stumper and was excellent to Lance Gibbs and the spinners like Cornelius and Collymore.

Rae
Gayle
Headley
Rowe
Collie Smith
McMorris
Dujohn
Holding
Gilchrist
Walsh
Valentine
12th Man - Dennis "Beenie" Lewis

In reply to solidrock

Patrick Patterson must be in that 11... sheer pace and terrorizing of batsmen...

In reply to solidrock
You are a joker.,Did you see Bonitto bat ? or JK Holt ? Fos was not in their class. Fos was probably not even in McMorris class either.
Why can't Patterson, Gilchrist,Holding and Walsh dismiss Bim's best ?
Joker ? Go get a good night's rest.
So by your assertion, Marshall,Hall,Garner and Griffith could not dismiss the JA line up of Headley,Rowe,Gayle,Rae et al ?

In reply to Raggs

I think Renford Pinnock.

In reply to Bigzinc

No space for that..Foster over Helegance no question